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    • Hi to all, Thought it may be an idea to update this thread for anyone who is following / in the same situation. Still getting the weekly letters from Moorcroft, Westcot etc. with regards to Tesco, RBS & Natwest - also had the odd letter & email from AIC & OPOS in relation to the same debts........so looks like a few different ones chasing the same debts but still with the OC? Lowell have been considering legal action since Sept '23 with regards to both Paypal accounts but have yet to decide and keep reminding me every month. Not heard anything for ages from anyone with regards to Virgin. The most persistent seem to be PRA Group with regards to the Barclaycard debts.....these have now all been forwarded to Brodies. I've uploaded the 4 letters my partner has received with regards to the 2 Barclaycards she has - she is really worrying about these so posted that some kind member can reassure her again - is there still nothing to do at this point until they actually decide to take it further? I've done some further investigating as I have the original emails from Barclaycard. The actual dates of account opening on the PRA letters are completely wrong..........not even close to when they were opened so the liklihood of them having or obtaining any original paperwork seem slim. Also, not sure this is of any relevance but one of her Barclaycard accounts was originally Egg and taken over by Barclaycard. Another point is that most of the companies chasing have at some point got our address wrong and the mail has gone to our neighbour. We live in a group of 3 houses with the same address but all different house names - I'm assuming that omitting the actual house name from the address is a bit of a no no? Thanks to all who read / comment. T. Brodiesletters1-4.pdf
    • Claim dismissed, no order as to costs. The decision came down to whether the escalation of a chargeback claim to pre-arbritration per the chargeback guidelines is covered by the FCA's definition of providing a retail banking service and therefore a right of action under BCOBS and the FSMA 2000. The FCA defines a retail banking service as: "an arrangement with a banking customer, under which a firm agrees to accept a deposit from a banking customer on terms to be held in an account for that customer, and to provide services in relation to that deposit including but not limited to repayment to the customer." Monzo's counsel pressed hard the fact the chargeback scheme is a voluntary and I forgot to make the case that the whole issue was about a depsoit. i.e. the money held on the account for the purposes of transactions. I would have argued that providing transactions and handling disputes is part of that service. It may have held no weight, the evidence is probably out there. Very impressed with the judge, stoic, patient and fair.
    • Without sight of their statement in support I'm clutching at straws as I dont know what they are relying on or if indeed there is any hearsay evidence. Their statement shouldn't be more than 2 pages ? The courts/claimants copy of your statement must be signed with the statement of truth.
    • Thanks! So, I need to scan and upload their witness statement? The file will be too big! Do you know where do I need to put it, in the evidence part?  I was thinking to send the form without signature as I don't have time but I guess I'll have to print and scan otherwise they can also get me for that. There is a hand written signature on their witness form.
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So I'm ready to submit my letter and income/expenses. I have a quick question. As I am only asking for reduced payments on some creditors but not all, how will it be received by the creditors I am asking for reduced payments for, when they can see I am going to continue paying others in full?

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not your problem original creditors wont care about it

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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if they don't like that they can always ask...its a only a outline view , i'd go for it.

 

get things in place and running...PAY THEM when you say regardless to if they accept or not or ignore

don't leave payment until each accept.

 

we can deal with non acceptance later by the 2nd letter

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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think about it........

 

showing you are taking control rather than being controlled........

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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  • 3 weeks later...

Just received an email from one of the loan creditors. Asking if any of my other creditors are secured loans, if my circumstances will change in the next 3-6 or 6-12 months and to reconfirm my income. 
 

Is this a standard response?

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usual practice, they want to check if their slice of the pie is a fair slice 

who?

 

 

 

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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So rate setters is a secured loan then?

For ho w much?

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Well if you wish to reply simply state 

 

i do have creditors in the same plan that hold mortgages or secured loans.

 

Dont be specific none of their business.

 

There is also no harm in stating you will be reviewing your plan at around 6mts.

 

No dont reaffirm anything else

 

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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What can they really do in this situation ?  No point in being agressive, as it is not really going to change what is possible. 

 

Creditors can be very sneaky and stitch up debt buyers.  Would not surprise me, if your debts were sold on as part of a larger package of non performing debts and they did note disclose any information about you being abroad or about the communications they have had with you.  Many years ago a relative of mine moved abroad leaving a number of debts. The foreign address was known to creditors, but they decided to just sell on the debts and the debt buyers resold the debts. The debts just circulated around for years, until they were written off.  But these were not secured debts.  Sometimes creditors just want the debts off their books and given to another company to worry about.

 

 

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Thanks.  I’m still paying the secured debt in full so it’s only two unsecured debts I’ll end up defaulting on. I’ll continue to pay them with what I can while I can and in the meantime ensure I have lots of evidence of informing them of my being overseas 

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I replied asking for the bank account details so I can send the amount I can afford monthly from my overseas bank account and received this reply today.

 

Can you please confirm all of your creditors and the outstanding balances? Please also state which creditors are secure and unsecured. 

Can you please also confirm your income in GBP?

As we use pro-rata , we will need these figures to review an arrangement. 

 

The thing is, some of the creditors are not in the UK and some of them in the UK are still receiving full payment. Should I stick to my guns and state this is what I can offer, either send me details to make the payments or don't. 

 

Or is there any angle they can pull here if I don't give them everything they are asking for?

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thank you.

i am already using a pro rata method to calculate your share during my probable short term financial issues.

i have no wish, nor am i duty bound, to supply you all my personal financial details.

 

you are one of my much smaller creditors and to be frank, the only one which has not agreed to accepted my plan and provided payment details to allow me to use BACS transfer.

 

should you continue to refuse, i can only assume you do not wish payment and i will remove you from my plan, i will of course also inform the relevant authorities that govern you and dictate how you must help people with financial issue, that you have failed me.

 

i thank you for your time.

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please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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It may be worth looking into notes that you can add to your UK credit reference information, that you are living abroad and noting your foreign address.

 

The reason why this may be helpful, is that creditors do not normally add foreign address information to credit records.   If any debts are then sold on without disclosing information,  it is possible that your previous communications are ignored by new debt owners/DCA and they obtain a CCJ using last noted UK address. Of course you could then try to set aside later, but this would still be a hassle.  If your UK credit record had notes about living abroad, then they cannot really have any excuse for not contacting you using your foreign address.

 

Just a thought.

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Hi sorry but I need some advice again. Amex have ignored the letter I sent at the beginning of March (tracked but not recorded) so I am not sure if I should make the reduced payment I can afford again this week as they are still applying interest and late payment fees. 

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pro rata letter two? drop them to £1PCM for life? as they have failed, when they are duty bound to help you?

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NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Thanks. I’ll look up pro rata  letter two and send it with a copy of letter 1 and send it recoded this time. 
 

some good news is that all three creditors have accepted my overseas address in their system and they have all dropped off my experian file as a result. My credit score has actually gone up!

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thats good news

amex can be a pain.

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NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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