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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
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"On Monday night, Staunton issued a stinging riposte to Badenoch, saying he had kept a record of the alleged comment from a senior civil servant asking him to stall compensation payments to Horizon victims.

A spokesperson for Staunton said he “recorded [it] at the time in a file note, which he emailed to himself and to colleagues and which is therefore traceable on the Post Office server”."

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Just want to add my two penneth, as I'm bored at work today, so thought I'd comment.

(Background: I'm apolitical - I think both Labour & Tories are both two cheeks of the same arse! No dog in the fight with either).

However, I think for many reasons there's a special place in Hell for Kemi.

On a more general point, what has happened to the general quality of our politicians these days? Like Obama said back in the day on first meeting David "The Lord" Cameron - "Jeez this guy's a lightweight!"

Maybe it's due to "Spitting Image" in the 80's, but even as a kid, I could name most of the cabinet - like them or loathe them, at least they had a sense of gravitas and statesmanship. 

I couldn't name half the cabinet now - and those I see seem self-serving "Animal Farm" biggest pig at the trough, all out to feather their nests and with integrity of double-glazing salesmen. Oily, slippery, base.

Badenoch is a case in point - how unministerial to conduct "Twitter spats" and basically act like a petulant child saying I'll come for you, Hourton, you lying sack o' ^^^^! She honestly comes across as someone who should be running a nail salon somewhere in Ipswich rather than a heavyweight minister who should rise above such language/responses.

I truly feel these days the quote by Ripley in Aliens applies to the UK now - "Take off and nuke the site from orbit... it's the only way to be sure!" 🤣 

(And before anyone takes me to task on Badenoch saying I'm racist or misogynistic, no - I equally despise Wez Streeting for Labour - and he's a fat white middle-class Piers Morgan just like me! ;) 

Edited to add - ha! I love the autocorrect you got going there with the Piers Morgan. Chapeau!

 

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42 minutes ago, Xerzes said:

On a more general point, what has happened to the general quality of our politicians these days? Like Obama said back in the day on first meeting David "The Lord" Cameron - "Jeez this guy's a lightweight!"

 


Maybe it's due to "Spitting Image" in the 80's, but even as a kid, I could name most of the cabinet - like them or loathe them, at least they had a sense of gravitas and statesmanship. 

I couldn't name half the cabinet now - and those I see seem self-serving "Animal Farm" biggest pig at the trough, all out to feather their nests and with integrity of double-glazing salesmen. Oily, slippery, base.

 

Badenoch is a case in point - how unministerial to conduct "Twitter spats" and basically act like a petulant child saying I'll come for you, Hourton, you lying sack o' ^^^^! She honestly comes across as someone who should be running a nail salon somewhere in Ipswich rather than a heavyweight minister who should rise above such language/responses.

 

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Not even competent liars - or more likely since Johnson  they just dont care

 

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Not even competent liars - or more likely since Johnson  they just dont care

 

Agreed. I think we're seeing a "fire sale" here - Tories know there's nothing they can do to win next election, so are basically just trying to send as much money to the private sector on the promise of future "directorships" after the election.

However, I'm equally cheesed off with Labour, and Starmer in particular who seem to be running a "Tory-lite" campaign based around the mantra - "hey you guys, vote for us because.... because.... erm.... because at least we're not THEM!"

The whole situation is very depressing. Because we have a First Passed the Post system, a vote for any other party is simply wasted. Might make me feel better in the booth when I place my X,  but is still an essentially wasted vote, (especially in the safe seat where I live).

FPTP - "passed" or "past"? - My spelling, like the govt. has gone right down the gurgler these days! 

 

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Not them, Tory lite

Even just that sounds like a big step up - with at least the hope of even better

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Not them, Tory lite

Even just that sounds like a big step up - with at least the hope of even better

It's all very depressing. 
If you take the long view of thousands of years of history, there's clearly a pattern of nations/empires rising and falling.

Once it was the Egyptians,

Once the Greeks,

Romans,

Chinese,

"The West", etc.

Clearly we are in decline in the natural ebb and flow of things.

I doubt there's anything we can do about it.

We were massive colonialists and ruled the seas.

Now all those people want to come back here. And their own economies in the East are slowly rising again.

Our time is done.

I'm not happy about that, but you can't argue with history, like King Canut couldn't shout at the tide.

Even on a planetary scale - ice ages come; global heat ages come. For us to even think we have a hand in that is like fleas arguing how they impact the dog.

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Note Vennels said something along the lines of 'I need to be able to say' in that memo .. she must have forgotten - surely a person with her history didn't try to lead a false answer she already knew .. repeatedly (sic)

and Sarah Munby named along with that the 'dont rock the boat was emailed to Reid

 

Kemi Badderenough “made-up anecdotes and a series of falsehoods” - sounds like we should put that as her political obituary

.. despite her being given a safe tory seat after she kept failing to win one

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Well, we know who sunak believes (knows?) is lying don't we ..

 

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PM declines to say Henry Staunton lied about government’s handling of payments for Horizon scandal victims

 

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I missed this one from earlier in the month. John Hyde at the Law Gazette has been following the case from the beginning and wrote about this before.

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Letters marked 'without prejudice' and with confidentiality clauses were sent to victims during negotiations over...
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External report cited potential issues over 'inadequate investigation' and 'negligent decision-making'.

 

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Nick Wallis and Chris have written about the SPM compensation schemes. It sounds like a mess.

Is it cock up or conspiracy?

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Chris Head at the Post Office Horizon IT Inquiry earlier this month. After yesterday’s parliamentary debate on Postmaster Compensation, former...

 

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hasn't sunak promised to speed up the overturning of the convictions, which is largely required for compensation ..

.. hoping to have it done by June-ish

Sounds like kicking the can as far as he dare while trying to claim hes speeding things up to me

- so he can claim a headline just before the GE but the compensation cases and any payments will all be post GE

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Paula Vennells announced that she planned to hand back her CBE following the fallout over the Horizon IT scandal

Former Post Office boss Paula Vennells has forfeited her CBE for “bringing the honours system into disrepute” following her handling of the Horizon IT scandal.

Ms Vennells was named on Friday in a list published on the Cabinet Office website as an individual whose honour had been revoked by the King.

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interesting that I've not seen it on any of the TV news channels?

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Hollinrakes' wonky halo seems to be slipping more and more

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Committee releases minutes of board meeting before appearance by former Post Office chair Henry Staunton

 

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More on badenochs alleged lying re Staunton sacking

Was he almost asleep at meetings or roustabout bullying - or simply refusing to carry out obnoxious instructions, actually trying to do what was being broadcast rather than whispered, and simply trying to be decent?

 

"Asked about allegations that one of the problems with Henry Staunton was that he was not “alert” during meetings, Tidswell says that is not a concern he raised. But he says he was the person who had to tell Staunton that there had been a complaint about him and that after that his conduct changed. “His behaviour changed in a way that was somewhat erratic,” Tidswell says. He says this happened from November. But Staunton was not falling asleep in meetings, he says.

 

BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY 

Carl Creswell, an official from the Department for Business and Trade said Tidswell had told Ben Tidswell that some board members might resign if Henry Staunton were not sacked)" Tidswell says he was right (See 11.14am.)

 

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Byrne (chair of the committee) put it to him that in all the documentation submitted to the committee from the Post Office there was no written evidence showing that it has been told by the government to speed up compensation payments.

Read accepted that, but said that this was an issue discussed with the government regularly.

He said that he has not had a conversation with Kemi Badenoch, the business secretary, about accelerating the compensation scheme. But he has discussed this with Kevin Hollinrake, the post services minister"

So much for badenoch whining about 'wheres the documentation I'm a liar

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"In an explosive revelation, Mr Staunton also alleged that the current Post Office CEO threatened to resign over a HR investigation into his own conduct.

Mr Staunton said Post Office chief executive Nick Read had fallen out with the HR director “and she produced a document that was 80 pages in length” and there was just one paragraph in there about his own conduct and use of “politically incorrect comments”.

Mr Staunton said Mr Read was “really quite upset” and threatened to resign a number of times.

But just an hour before Mr Staunton’s testimony, Mr Read had denied - under oath - that he had ever having tried to resign."

 

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Henry Staunton, sacked by business secretary Kemi Badenoch, gives evidence to Commons committee

 

 

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"Carl Creswell, an official from the Department for Business and Trade said Tidswell had told Ben Tidswell that some board members might resign if Henry Staunton were not sacked)" Tidswell says he was right (See 11.14am.)"

 

So baden-ouch seems to be at the very least twisting the truth - no surprise there

 

 

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Guardian live feed

 

A government minister has criticised the former chair of the Post Office following his dramatic select committee evidence on Tuesday during which he revealed the company’s current chief executive is under investigation.

In response to an urgent question in the Commons, Kevin Hollinrake, the postal services minister, described yesterday’s revelations by Henry Staunton in front of the business select committee as “highly unprofessional” during an urgent question in the Commons.

 

Hollinrake did not apparently criticise Badernuff for announcing things via her preferred media news outlet

So 'apparently dishonest rants and announcements via the Daily mail/Express - fine

but Answering Business select committee questions thoroughly is unprofessional?

 

err Nope

 

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