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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
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Hi there, my wife has received this addressed to our old address. We haven’t long moved house, so it’s been caught with the redirection. Before I send any appeal, please see below.

 

For PCN's received through the post [ANPR camera capture] 

(must be received within 14 days from the Incident)

 

please answer the following questions.

 

1 Date of the infringement

29/08/2020
 

 

2 Date on the NTK [this must have been received within 14 days from the 'offence' date]

02/09/2020
 

[scan up BOTHSIDES as ONE PDF- follow the upload guide]

 

3 Date received

04/09/2020
 

4 Does the NTK mention schedule 4 of The Protections of Freedoms Act 2012? [Y/N?]

Y
 

5 Is there any photographic evidence of the event?

Looks like ref number has been doctored with black box background 
 

6 Have you appealed? [Y/N?] post up your appeal]

No
 

Have you had a response? [Y/N?] post it up

Haven’t appealed yet
 

7 Who is the parking company?

Euro Car Parks

 

8. Where exactly [carpark name and town]

The Arcadian, Birmingham
 

For either option, does it say which appeals body they operate under.

BPA
 

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you do NOT appeal

 

can we have the NTK up please bothside to one PDF

read upload

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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  • dx100uk changed the title to ECP ANPR PCN - Arcadian Birmingham

please.

 

at SOME POINT

the registered keeper must write simply to give them their correct and current address.

else a backdoor CCJ might be tried simply because they can.

 

don't forget this also applies to ANY consumer credit debts either of you have that might or might not be on your credit files that you last used or paid in the last 7yrs.

don't forget DVLA too for driving licences and V5C's.

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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  • dx100uk changed the title to ECP ANPR PCN - The Arcadian - Birmingham, Arcadian MCSP, 41 Bromsgrove Street, Birmingham, B5 6NU

need to see it can't

no rush.nothing they can do.

 

bottom line is update address

and NEVER ignore a letter of claim.

 

but you DO NOT appeal speculative invoices EVER.

 

only history we have is:

 

 

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Hi there, 

Just doing the letter to ECP. Content will be.

 

Dear Sir,

 

Ref xxx

 

I am writing with regard to the above NTK dated xx.

 

Please be advised that I have moved home recently, and this has caught up with me at my new address.

 

Anything else I need to add, especially as I've been advised not to appeal. What will I expect from this if i don't appeal and say nothing?

 

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just say please note my new address.

 

dx

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Generally, over a period of months, the PPCs send letters that are meant to be threatening, then get debt collection agencies to send more daft letters, pretending that the amount has somehow increased to try to scare you.  Then they sometimes use the trick of offering a "discount" again to con you into thinking you're getting a good deal.  This is all hot air from paper tigers and can all be safely ignored.

 

They may then give up, or they might try their luck with a Letter Before Claim which is a formal notice of intention to commence legal proceedings.  This is the point you need to jump into action and give them both barrels. 

 

What do the daft gets reckon you did wrong anyway?  Their NTK is so generic it's difficult to work out.

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Many thanks for this , just gives me something to go on.

My wife tends to give into these things.

 

As it happened, I am aware ‘the driver (not being disclosed) thought it was free parking, stayed for less than half hour. I was informed that there was nowhere to pay for parking - even if there were parking rates enforced.

 

 

35 minutes ago, dx100uk said:

just say please note my new address.

 

dx

Many thanks. I’ll get that in the post tomorrow, signed by my good lady of course seeing as she is the registered keeper.

Saying that, I’m thinking, maybe address the letter from me, stating this is the keepers new address.

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no do NOT sign it.

just type print her name

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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The person they are pursuing will need to send the letter.

 

From your description, far from "managing" the car park ECP have created a total mess.

 

Is the place near you?  If so it would be a good idea to get photos of the rubbish signage and evidence that it's impossible to pay, just in case they do threaten legal action later on.  Always better to have too much documentation rather than too little.

We could do with some help from you.

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Fine, that saves you from a backdoor CCJ.  Relax & ignore ECP.

 

Any chance of getting the pictures of signage I mentioned in post 12?

We could do with some help from you.

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  • dx100uk changed the title to ECP ANPR PCN - The Arcadian MCSP, 41 Bromsgrove Street, Birmingham, B5 6NU

urm..not so sure legally under GDPR about them being able to collect images of 'users'.

thats not part of the allowed remit.

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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There was only one photo of their T&Cs that I could see. There was nothing on it nor any other of the signs nor the payment meter that there were any charges for not complying with the signs. That means that you have no reason to pay their charge. if there are conflicting signs, you can elect to choose the most favourable one for yourself. 

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Definitely, and from experience of a different car park ran by the same cowboy operator - the signs were not clear from a drivers perspective on the main road.

 

interestingly enough, I won a previous appeal to this operation based solely on their inability to prove landowner authority.

 

Just to clarify, I do nothing else with this one now? Only asking as it’s a different course I have taken previously and I need to be confident I’m doing the right thing by not appealing.

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No, don't appeal.

 

PPCs never, ever, ever accept appeals - ever.

 

You'd just be flagging yourself up as someone who has faith in their crooked system.

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Merry Christmas Eve everyone. Guess what arrived in the post this morning.....? This delight.

As predicted above, the 'discount period' has now passed and the cost has increased - with the threat of more costs being added. Just what my good lady wanted in the Christmas post.

 

Another group on social media suggests the use of a 'three letter process'. Having not seen this process on this site, is it something that anyone on here advises?

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The cost hasn't increased.  This is not Debt Recovery Plus's debt, they can't decide or do anything.

 

It's hot air from paper tigers who are trying to frighten people who don't know the law.

 

Laugh at the letter, ignore it, sit back, relax & enjoy your Christmas.

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three letter process!

freeman of the land twaddle..forget it totally

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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