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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
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Looks like they have not issued default judgment on your counterclaim. Not my strongest area this, so perhaps call the court and ask why the counterclaim has been ignored.

 

Good advice there DonkeyB. Phoned the Court, spoke to a lovely girl, who said she will refer the matter back to the DJ for further direction about the Counterclaim.

 

Ah well, all in all, not the worst news I have ever received on a Friday! It's progress, and for now at least, there is no hearing to attend!

 

I am just mindful of the DJ's attitude when I first went in asking for the set-aside, he said "I have only ever seen a handful of these cases go the way of the Defendant Mr Blurred", and made me go through my case to make sure I understood it. Once I had communicated it to him, and he had his questions, he seemed happier with me - but his presumption is clearly that I am in the wrong. Typical. Ah well, it's been going on since 2009, I can live with it for a bit longer... It's going the right way though...

 

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Good! Keep us informed. Hopefully someone with a better knowledge of how the court handles counterclaims in such cases can help further. I imaging the courts don’t get a lot of situations like this, so it will be interesting to monitor the mechanics of it.

 

Also, I imagine the order allowed seven days for the claimant to apply to set aside the order?

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Also, I imagine the order allowed seven days for the claimant to apply to set aside the order?

Nope.

 

There is nothing to mention about setting aside this order. What I wrote as a quotation above is everything on the piece of paper, apart from the Courts seal, General Form Of Judgement or Order, and who it is to and from and what not. Where my quotation ends, is where the text on the order ends, bar yesterdays date a couple of lines below it. I can scan the lot up if needs be I suppose.

 

I will spare the details (unless anyone asks), they are all in the thread, but this is their second attempt in Court. I defended the first case, they withdrew, then tried again at a different Court and claim number when I was ill and got away with it as a result, and then took the money from Mortgage Co under threat of repossession.

 

12 Months later, When I first applied to have the case set-aside, they didn't turn up. I have no idea if they subsequently filed an AQ or not; I certainly posted mine. I got an order two weeks ago saying the Claimant had until last week to pay the hearing fee. He has clearly failed, nd this order has come through today.

 

I have submitted a wealth of evidence for this, and attended the hearing, and they have submitted nothing and not attended any hearings for the second case, or as far as I am aware responded to the Court in any way. I suppose the DJ could be well and truly peeved with their previous and recent conduct, that he is of the opinion that they have had plenty of chances to respond??? We can speculate all day I suppose!!

 

Waiting for the Postman I suppose. Never thought I would say that!!

 

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Its hard to say, it appears to be almost identical to my claim, their (my freeholder's) claim was struck out and I got an almost identical letter from court, the counterclaim was forgot about my all untill i went to court office and reminded them, just looked through my paperwork and couldnt find anything..think I just went along and said Oi..what about my counterclaim, it then it started.

 

I remember speaking to the FH solicitor at court and he didnt know about CC either, although he and FH had fallen out and he announced he wasnt represnting him anymore so didnt really care.

 

As long as your CC was on your original defence (and you paid fee) then it will all happen even if court have made a few cock ups.

 

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Its hard to say, it appears to be almost identical to my claim, their (my freeholder's) claim was struck out and I got an almost identical letter from court, the counterclaim was forgot about my all untill i went to court office and reminded them, just looked through my paperwork and couldnt find anything..think I just went along and said Oi..what about my counterclaim, it then it started.

 

I remember speaking to the FH solicitor at court and he didnt know about CC either, although he and FH had fallen out and he announced he wasnt represnting him anymore so didnt really care.

 

As long as your CC was on your original defence (and you paid fee) then it will all happen even if court have made a few cock ups.

 

Seems to chime with my claim being missed.

 

The girl at the court on Friday afternoon said she would refer it back to the DJ for further direction on the CC, so I will call them Tues pm-ish I guess.

 

What are the possible outcomes for my CC? He grants it, schedules a hearing, or strikes it out??

 

You'd like to think common sense would prevail - the claim's been struck out, so give the Defendant his money back!! What possible justification could there be for their keeping hold of it?? :mad2:

 

Why do I think that common sense won't prevail???:|

 

ah well, at least it's gone my way thus far.

 

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Well..if/when your CC finally gets going, it appears you do have a case and (like me) it may be helped if the other side continue to make cock ups, I was lucky in that my FH and his new solicitor were still reeling from their claim being struck out and me getting costs and agreed to mediation, which went ok..but was just haggling really, the offered £50 and I wanted £350 and settled on £275. This was my second claim for damages for failing to repair driveway.

 

Preparation is the key, one thing I noticed is that as a LiP I spent many many hours on my case wheras my FH's solicitor always appeared rushed and prob spent 30 mins on preparing their claim.

 

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I have had a communication from the Court. I like it.

 

It reads:

 

Re: Case Number 1ABDFHDU The Other Side v Blurredfx

Upon referring the Court file to the District Judge, the following comments have been made:

 

" The Counteclaim continues. The directions set out in the order of yyth May (sic) remain. The hearing of the defendants counterclaim remains listed for the xxth May 2013 at 10.00am"

 

Yours faithfully

 

I think there is an error where they mean yyth April not yyth May, where (as per my earlier post) it was ordered:

 

IT IS ORDERED THAT

 

The Claimant having failed to pay the hearing fee as required by the Court, the claim has been struck out and the Claimant is liable to pay the Defendants costs unless the Court orders otherwise.

 

There was me getting all excited about the prospect of not going to Court again, yet dreading a dragged out CC, and it seems the hearing is scheduled for one month. Suits me, even if I am not a fan of Court - having been over half a dozen times in various disputes.

 

Their claim has been struck out. Given that my Counterclaim is for monies paid under the original, now struck out, claim, am I wrong for feeling at least a tiny bit optimistic?? Optimistic that now their claim is struck out, I might finally, two years on, get my thousands of pounds back? Or at least an order for it anyway...

 

I am feeling positive. Should I be?? :|

 

I think my next step should be to go through everything I have submitted to the Court for my CC, and make sure everything is correct for that - my defence is now not relevant? Perhaps draw up a proper costs schedule with interest and everything.

 

And a nice costs schedule!! As they have been ordered to pay my costs unless the Court orders otherwise!

 

Perhaps, just perhaps, the Judge's comments when I went into the first hearing that he's seen "only a handful of these go the way of the Defendant" may now be ringing in his ears!!:roll:

 

We live in ope!!

 

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Good news. Wonder if they’ll even turn up?

 

I have a very strong feeling they won't attend. Why would they change their tune all of a sudden? They have remained silent over the whole application to Set-aside and neglected to pay their fees. I would be interested to know if they submitted their AQ - if they have it rules out them getting away with saying the never knew about it, but who knows on that one, I suppose I could phone the Court and ask if they got an AQ back or not.

 

Bearing in mind you are fighting a company, check its status with Companies House website.

 

The company I am fighting is a funny proposition. Quite unique I would have thought - as per this whole case. It's a very complex case, and I could soon boggle you unless you have read the whole thread in detail!! I can try an explain if you like, perhaps PM or something?

 

BUT, importantly, they do have an income - the "service charges" they get off everyone who is happy with the current arrangement!! And the money is held in the Client Account of the unofficial, proven to be liars "Managing Agent" that has been the driving force behind the legal action against me, in cahoots with the residents company. They have lied to the Court and the Court is starting to see that. Given that, I can't see them being forthcoming with any money

 

The company who has its name to the action, the "residents company" has a Director and a Company Secretary. One of the Directors is resident in the block, not sure about the company secretary yet. I'll do a little digging - she was resident at one point, I know that but I don't know what she looks like!

 

I had a look last night as to ways of collecting the money, and there is a variety of options that seem to have some prospect of at least getting something to happen!?!? The key seems to be that all parties involved, them and the people holding their money can all be pinned down to an address and documents served easily if that is what is required. I have had a look at Third Party Debt Orders and/or compelling the Directors to give an account of themselves before the Court (not a DJ at first tho). Failure to comply leaves the individuals in contempt of Court, liable to a personal fine and ultimately a jail sentence, I believe. But that is what I garnered late last night, so lets not get ahead of ourselves :madgrin: Possibly a winding up order?

 

I should imagine there are plenty of victims of sharp DCA's on here, but I wonder if there is any experience of collecting monies owed, especially with a rogue company and not a well-to-do-Bank (ho ho ho). It certainly seems a useful consumer issue - the amount of rat bags going round stealing from people out there!! It's one thing understanding the theory, it's quite another getting it past a DJ.

 

I feel like we are getting somewhere, but I need to review what I have already sent to the Court; strip out everything I submitted as a Defence, leaving only my CounterClaim and re-submit it - just make the pile of papers the DJ needs to read a easier. There is no merit in clouding the issue.

 

What do we think guys???

 

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I am sure some people are stupid!!

 

Not that it is especially relevant to anything I don't suppose , but I have just had an invoice for overdue "service charges" from The Other Side. Interestingly, amongst other dubious and nefarious items (£75 for a letter anyone??), contains all the short comings I have illustrated in my defence!!! It's simply not valid. 7 point, dodgily photocopied Rights and Responsibilities etc... No LL name etc.,

 

AND there was £450 for legal fees and Court Costs - AHEM!!!! Don't I have a Court Order saying that YOU are paying MY costs???

 

Ah well, don't think it is relevant, just thought I should let the group know! Holler if you think it is important!!

 

I can only presume it is some kind of intimidation technique??? Does he read his Court Orders? Whatever.

 

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Perhaps they don't understand that it is they who have to pay your costs. By what date were they supposed to have coughed up ?

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I think it shows contempt of court. Add it as evidence to your counterclaim, evidence of their deliberately misleading and vexatious behaviour in the affair.

 

I think you'd right be right there, DonkeyB!! I shall include it, and naturally it has taken me half an hour to consider it, so it will go in my costs schedule as well!

 

Unless, they think that they are the defendant (as I did) when the Court wrote:

 

IT IS ORDERED THAT

 

The Claimant having failed to pay the hearing fee as required by the Court, the claim has been struck out and the Claimant is liable to pay the Defendants costs unless the Court orders otherwise.

 

And now think they have won or something??? That I am due to pay their costs??

 

They have included two schedules, one says legal fees and names a solicitor, and the other one says Court Fees?!?!?

 

BUT I HAVE A COURT ORDER SAYING THE OPPOSITE!!!:!:

 

I have a funny feeling they have assumed (again, as I did) that the hearing for the end of May has been cancelled!! I shalln't be telling them anything to the contrary!!

 

The mind boggles, but hey ho, I can bill them for it. Not that I hold out much hope of getting the money, but we can live in hope.

 

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Perhaps they don't understand that it is they who have to pay your costs. By what date were they supposed to have coughed up ?

 

Their case has been struck out due to none payment of fees! See my post on the 19th April. They were due to pay up early April sometime.

 

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I think you should be considering enforcement action against them in advance of your counterclaim hearing. It will give you a heads-up as to whether they are going to dissolve themselves or play ball.

 

They will also learn very sharply how serious you are about this.

 

I have a feeling they are going to start claiming soon that they have received no paperwork re their case – there’s some clear bluff in their approach. I can smell it.

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I think you should be considering enforcement action against them in advance of your counterclaim hearing. It will give you a heads-up as to whether they are going to dissolve themselves or play ball.

 

They will also learn very sharply how serious you are about this.

 

I have a feeling they are going to start claiming soon that they have received no paperwork re their case – there’s some clear bluff in their approach. I can smell it.

 

I will call the Court tomorrow and see if they filed their AQ - that should tell us something. In the past when dealing with this lot, they have filed their AQ and forgot to pay their charges until they have been reminded by way of an order.

 

I also sent my Defence and CC to them "signed for", or Special Delivery, I forget which. I will have to trawl through everything to find that. You just know it is going to be somewhere silly lol BUT rather find it now than be hunting for it after the next hearing having had the case adjourned!!

 

In terms of enforcement, I have done some simple internet research and was thinking along the lines of a TPDO to the bank we are supposed to pay our service charges to - I have the account details, and also serving on to the rogue management agent who forms the other half of "The Other Side".

 

Then, if that fails, I was thinking of dragging the Director of the company to Court, and also the Company Secretary, possibly - but she knows little of this as far as I know, so it could have other implications.

 

I have not discovered any other viable options, and am uncertain of the viability of the courses of action I have outlined. I think they are both a simple matter of filling in a Court form - though you actually have to serve the Order for the Director to attend Court on the Director personally - like on the tele!!

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I have the receipt - I sent it Special Delivery to them and the Court - must have been flush that day. Anyway, I never did the track-and-trace afterwards, and the Royal Mail system isn't letting me check either online or on the phone - it was mid Feb I sent it, so I guess I might have to go into the PO Branch tomorrow to get confirmation.

 

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Drat and double drat. I have just checked the reference for the other letter I sent - to the Court - and that is coming back as "delivered". I guess that means that they must have refused my Special Delivery or something?? I have proof of postage anyway!! See what the Post Office says in the morning I suppose!

 

Why does this not surprise me?? I really could swear quite a lot now but I will refrain. Just need to hope they have returned their AQ!!

 

Mind you, there has been enough letters from the Court to them, and suddenly they have sent me a bill for legal fees, so one might hope the Court will see their subterfuge for what is it! The more I think of it, the more it tickles me that they have suddenly sent a bill!! I have not heard from them since October last year, then shortly following a Court Order for them to pay my costs, they send me a bill!!!

 

This behaviour just keeps ya guessing, that's the problem. Sets the mind off a wondering...

 

Cheers,

 

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As I said - I can smell their tactics!

 

How can they claim non receipt of ALL the Court documents though?

 

Are they really going to try and get their claim re-instated??? Surely they would have to come up with something to make the DJ think there is a reasonable prospect of them getting somewhere??

 

The important question, is what can I do about it??

 

Their claim has been struck out due to none payment of fees, despite a Order from the Court that they pay their fee. So my defence doesn't need dealing with again.

 

I am sure they think they are the defendant since I started the CC! It would explain a lot.

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The important question, is what can I do about it??

 

Do they have an office as such? If so, High Court Enforcement Officer – will cost a few quid, but it goes on their bill.

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Or even a Stat Demand subject to the value.

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Problem with a stat demand against a company is following it through – it would be High Court rather than County, with the associated extra costs. There is no facility for a company to set aside an SD, other than by paying, and your subsequent action would have to be a winding up order.

 

Not that we’d ever suggest you should use an SD as a debt collection tool...

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Stat Demand - thought that was for private individuals only? Winding up order to too costly and wouldn't be very effective.

 

HCEO route is not likely as there is no property of the company at the registered address is the offices of the Management Company. There are about 50 companies registered at the address.

 

Winding up order is about £1500 isn't it? I do not have that type of cash, especially when it is not guaranteed to get the money - as they may go skint before it ever gets paid.

 

I was thinking of serving a Third Part Debot Order on the Man Co and also the Bank into which people pay their fees - this effectively seizes their bank account but it isnt that simple. I have links to solicitors firms that give a good idea of what is involved if anyone wants them via PX as Iwont be allowed to paste them up here.

 

The other option I was thinking is getting the Directors of the company to appear in Court to explain themselves.

 

I can see these last two options being the only viable ones. Does anyone have any experience??

 

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