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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
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Three months ago we parked at Bygone Times in Chorley

- there was a parking sign saying sign in at reception.

At reception there was a huge queue so we bypassed mistakenly thinking you had to sign in if you werent a member.

 

we showed our gold cards and entered the place.

we bought several itsms - unfortunately don't have the receipt as it's all second hand goods/ antiques etc so tiny little till roll.

 

week later parking eye £100 fine arrives with picture of car entering and leaving the car park

- searched and ignored accordingly.

 

have had a couple of letters since and again researched and ignored.

 

today however a county court claim from Northampton has dropped through the door

 

what do we do now?

 

thanks in advance

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please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Thanks I will, inrewlise nit s fine but a penalty - I’ll probaby go back and check signage although I did see the sign I just didn’t read properly - it’s always been a car park for the place - a free car park. Would I be able to defend on that? It’s free but to use for the store - we used the store , just didn’t put details in the computer

 

I’ll complete the details of claim and post up this evening

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they are suing you for breach of contract so we need to know what the contract was. Basically the signage is the contract so that means we need to see the signage.

As you say it is a sign in system then the store operator has the ability to override that contract and to create other conditions. It is still not too late to get the store involved. If they say that they cant help then simply ask them if they own the land or are just tenants. The latter would make it rather interesting as to what chain of authority has been created and that is something you will be asking PE in a request for documents under Civil Procedure Rule 31.14

 

First thing you need to do though is acknowledge the claim by either creating an online account at moneyclaimonline or by filling out the acknowledgement of service paperwork and returning it to the court. You then have more time to submit a skeleton defence.

Now for help with that you will need give us certain information so to start off with do you still have all of the paperwork that PE sent you?

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Thanks I will, I realise it s fine but a penalty

- I’ll probaby go back and check signage although I did see the sign I just didn’t read properly

- it’s always been a car park for the place - a free car park.

 

Would I be able to defend on that? I

t’s free but to use for the store

- we used the store ,

just didn’t put details in the computer

 

I’ll complete the details of claim and post up this evening

 

its not a penalty either read the ticket!!

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Name of the Claimant ? PARKINGEYE LTD

claimants Solicitors: NOT STATED BUT SIGNED BY ROSANNA BREAKS (CLAIMANTS LEGAL REPRESENTATIVE)

Date of issue – 22 jan 2018

 

What is the claim for –

 

 

1.Claim for monies outstanding from the defendant, as registered keeper, in relation to a parking charge, issued 19/10/2017, for parking on private land in breach of the terms and conditions (the contract).

2.Parkingeye’s automated number plate recognition system, monitoring Bygone Times, Eccleston Main, Grove Mill, The Green, Eccleston, PR7 5Tz, captured vehicle Reg xxxxxxxxxxx entering nd leaving the car park, parking without authorisation.

3.The signage, clearly displayed the entrance to and throughout the car park, states that this is private land, is managed by Parkingeye LTD, and authorisation is required to park, along with other T & C’s by which those who park on site agree to be bound. In ccordance with the T & C’s set out in the signage, the parking charge became payable.

4.Notice under the Protection Of Freedoms Act 2012has been given under Sch 4, making the keeper liable. This claim is in reference to Paking Charges xxxxxxxxxxx.

 

What is the value of the claim? £175

 

Also, other half rang Bygone times who have said they may be able to help and we would hear in 2/3 weeks so obviously I’m going to acknowledge and prepare to defend anyway

Thnkks

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pop up on the MCOL website detailed on the claimform.

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register as an individual

note the long gateway number given

then log in

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select respond to a claim and select the start AOS box.

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then using the details required from the claimform

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defend all

leave jurisdiction unticked.

click thru to the end

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get a CPR 31:14 request running to the solicitors

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type your name ONLY

 

................

 

to the solicitors

 

[Your address]

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[Their address [solicitors]

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[Date]

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Dear Sir or Madam,

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Re: (Claimant's name) v (Your name) Case No:

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CPR 31.14 Request

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On (date) I received the Claim Form in this case issued by you out of the (Name) county court.

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I confirm having returned my acknowledgement of service to the court in which I indicate my intention to contest all of your claim.

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Please treat this letter as my request made under CPR 31.14 for the disclosure and the production of a verified and legible copy of [each of the following / the] document(s) mentioned in your Particulars of Claim:

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1. the contract between [parking company name] and the landowner that assigns the right to enter into contracts with the public and make claims in their own name,.

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2.proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and Country Planning Act 2007

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3.copies of the notice to driver, notice to keeper and any other correspondence from [insert Claimant Name] & [insert Solicitors Name} to the defendant that they intend to rely upon in court.

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You should ensure compliance with your CPR 31 duties and ensure that the document(s) I have requested are disclosed at your earliest convenience..

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Your CPR 31 duties extend to making a reasonable and proportionate search for the originals of the documents I have requested, the better for you to be able to verify the document's authenticity and to provide me with a legible copy.

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Further, where I have requested a copy of a document, the original of which is now in the possession of another person, you will have a right to possession of that document if you have mentioned it in your case. You must take immediate steps to recover and preserve it for the purpose of this case.

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Where I have mentioned a document and there is in your possession more than one version of that same document owing to a modification, obliteration or other marking or feature, each version will be a separate document and you must provide a copy of each version of it to me. Your obligations extend to making a reasonable and proportionate search for any version(s) to include an obligation to recover and preserve such version(s) which are now in the possession of a third party.

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In accordance with CPR 31.15© I undertake to be responsible for your reasonable copying costs incurred in complying with this CPR 31.14 request.

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If you are unable to comply with this request within 14 days and believe that you will never be able to comply with this request please confirm in your response.

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You are reminded that as this case is yet to be allocated to a track, CPR31:14 does apply, a refusal to comply because you 'think' at this stage you dont have too will be used against you in any filed defence.

.

 

Yours faithfully

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TYPE YOUR NAME DO NOT SIGN IT

 

 

 

 

no need to sign anything

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you DO NOT await the return of paperwork.

you MUST file a defence regardless by day 33 from the date on the claimform.

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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goes to PE themselves then

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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due by 4pm 23rd

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Who owns the land?

we cant help you if you do things like this and then dont tell us about it.

 

How did he speak to them, in person, over the phone, in writing?

Again this is important because that will determine what sort of contractual obligation has been created and probably none at all if they actually said that it was OK with them to park as that trumps the signs.

 

You must start paying more care with what you do and say so everything goes in your favour and not against you.

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I'm sorry I'm not sure what I have done and not told about it? I explained in an earlier post that my OH had rang Bygone Times to complain and they had said they would sort it but that would submit anyway as can't trust Parking Eye. I've been unwell and missed the deadline to submit the defence - I did send them the letter as advised on here but didn't hear anything back

thank you all for your advice - again apologies if I did something wrong:!:

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so you come back and still dont answer any questions a fortnight later.

We cant help those who dp nothing to help themselves, you had plenty of time to read up on these things and the submit a skeletn defence or ask us about more detail but you didnt bother. were you really so ill you couldntlift a finger to press the letters on a keyboard?

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Finding your posts a little aggressive and I'm not sure why.....I have always valued posts on here.

My last post asked for help with a defence and then life took over

 

Without knowing any details I don't know why you would be so

I've never taken replies for granted and appreciated people's responses

- I know it's my fault I missed it, again no blame with anyone else

I did read up thanks- and I asked for help

 

I've come back to check as I remembered this was still going on - As for questions

 

Oh rang Bygone times who said they would sort....

I don't know if they own as I haven't had any response to the request I made.

 

He rang them as it was their car park we were on

Again I'm not asking for help- I just apologised as the tone of your post.

 

If I've a ccj I'll pay - sometimes things happen that divert your attention and suddenly a ccj for 175 quid is the very very least of your worries

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OK. Even though you've now missed the deadline for filing a defence. You could try to send one in anyway.

 

The county courts are much more lenient when dealing with individuals as you're not really expected to know the ins and outs of the legal system. They may not accept it, but it's at least worth a try. Enclose a letter explaining why it's so late. You never know.

 

However, even if your WS is not accepted, this doesn't mean that you can't go to court to challenge any "evidence" that ParkingLie put forward, unless it's ruled to be heard 'on papers'. If you can, it's still worth doing that. If you lose, it's only going to cost you the same amount of money, but if you win, you won't owe them a penny.

 

What you must do, if you lose, is pay it off straight away. This avoids ParkingLie getting a CCJ entered on to your file and trashing your credit report.

Please note that my posts are my opinion only and should not be taken as any kind of legal advice.
In fact, they're probably just waffling and can be quite safely and completely ignored as you wish.

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Thanks for that - in the defence do I just state the facts of parking there and not entering my registration.

Ive looked on here at others defences that ill use to scaffold

Thanks again

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sorry but that wont be a defence, it is mitigation.

The skeleton defence is usually that a contract hasn't been formed for a multitude of reasons but as we know nothing of the signage, land layout and any rights that the shop you asked to help you with this matter have.

 

Aggressive? Yes because you haven't done anything to help yourself and try to tell us that there are more important things than to be worried about a minor robbery.

 

If someone entered your house and stole £200 your attitude would be very different to the loss.

 

in nearly every case of a parking claim the parking co has no rights to the money but people think that it is different because they have received a letter so it must be real.

 

Now if you believe that Bygone Times are occupiers of the land in a proper sense then they can create their own contracts that override PE's offer so you use that as a defence.

 

" The occupier gave me permission to park, this being superior to PE's contracts mean that there has been no breach to give rise to a cause of action by the claimant against the defendant"

 

Better than nothing at this stage.

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did you send the 2 line std defence?

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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