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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
    • Thanks for all the suggestions so far I will amend original WS and send again for review.  While looking at my post at very beginning when I submitted photos of signs around the car park I noticed that it says 5 hours maximum stay while the signage sent by solicitor shows 4 hours maximum stay but mine is related to electric bay abuse not sure if this can be of any use in WS.
    • Not sure what to make of that or what it means for me, I was just about to head to my kip and it's a bit too late for legalise. When is the "expenditure occured"?  When they start spending money to write to me?  Or is this a bad thing (as "harsh" would imply)? When all is said and done, I do not have two beans to rub together, we rent our home and EVERYTHING of value has been purchased by and is in my wife's name and we are not financially linked in any way.  So at least if I can't escape my fate I can at least know that they will get sweet FA from me anyway   edit:  ah.. Sophia Harrison: Time bar decision tough on claimants WWW.SCOTTISHLEGAL.COM Time bar is a very complex area of law in Scotland relating to the period in which a claim for breach of duty can be pursued. The Scottish government...   This explains it like I am 5.  So, a good thing then because creditors clearly know they have suffered a loss the minute I stop paying them, this is why it is "harsh" (for them, not me)? Am I understanding this correctly?  
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Have you actually seen definite proof of those things ?

 

The US, if they faked the Moon landings would protect themselves mostly from the embarrassment of it, by whatever means.

 

If they got to the Moon 50 years ago, why have they not set up a research station on the Moon since ? Instead they have the ISS in cooperation with Russia. Russia is currently helping send US Astronauts to the ISS.

 

Back 50 years ago, you can't underestimate the tensions between the US and USSR at the time, with nuclear arms race etc. The Moon landings would have been the US flexing its musles saying don't mess with us, we have advanced technology and could destroy the USSR if we wanted to.

 

 

and the USSR had telescopes just as good as any at the time and would have soon said 'where is this austin mini sized space ship - we cant see it.

 

The clear statement that it was for 'all mankind' and that bases were not made only means that the US feared the instant retaliation they would receive should they have tried to 'steam punk' bases on the moon - which would have failed given the technology of the time - and left egg on their faces rather than pride.

 

 

The thing is that technology has NOT progressed much since then. The fuel has got a bit more powerful and a bit safer and steadily cheaper to make - but we still fly into space on top of a firework relatively (LOL) little different in payload terms to those used in ancient china to celebrate new year in 200BC.

The laws Newton declared still rule the movement and the power needed as they did a billion years before Newton was born.

 

The yanks made it to the moon - its more believable than the shear number of conspiracy theories needed all intertwined to explain otherwise.

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Have you seen any evidence that showed that the USSR tracked the Moon rockets on telescopes all the way to the Moon ?

 

I have never seen such evidence, but many people have suggested it was likely.

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Neil Armstrong was the first man on the Moon! So who filmed him getting off the steps?

The flag waved in the 'wind'. what wind?

The sun was shining in the face of the astronauts. Why was there a shadow in front of them?

 

These are some of the things conspiracy theorists state when they say the Moon landings did not happen.

All of which can be refuted.

The camera was on an extendable arm

With no air in space, any movement of the flag or pole would have been caused when sticking it in the ground and a simple touch will have a greater effect on the Moon than on earth. No air, no friction.

With the sun shining in the astronauts faces, they were standing in front of the landing craft. This reflected the sun, giving the impression that there were two sources of light.

 

There are some reflective panels left on the moon that scientists shoot lasers at and measure the response. No reflective panels, no response!

Cor blimey, people will be saying that there are reptiles in power. Oh wait!! :razz:

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Cor blimey, people will be saying that there are reptiles in power. Oh wait!! :razz:

 

Thats the second biggest conspiracy of them all.

its really the ants and lizards having a bet on which of them can get us to believe the craziest stuff that isnt true.

The ants got crafty early on and leaked part of the truth which got unwanted attention on the geckos, limiting what they can get away with.

 

 

The current leader is is that of convincing loony 'scientists' that quantum theory crazy theories about new laws and many worlds and dimensions,

and that multiplying real numbers by imaginary numbers gives a meaningful result which proves these crazy theories - that break so many basic rules which work without the need of imaginary numbers

and the immense con that this imaginary number result is worth keeping hundreds of these loonies in cushy well paid jobs playing with a multi-billion pound doughnut for years is going to make the blindest bit of difference to anybody in the real world.

 

The Lizards came up with many worlds and the ants hedged on the Copenhagan interpretation.

They laughed their little booties off when the chimps (us) started building the large hadron collider based on these jokes.

 

All it really need to do to turn the tables is to throw both of those theories away, and modify the LHC into a flaming big space gun to protect us from the alien lizards and ants

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LOL

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one of the theories is that the LHC is an attempted form/type of poss means re a stargate....that wld be interesting.

otherwise, yeah, just turn it into an atom b against the lizards/ants. :)

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one of the theories is that the LHC is an attempted form/type of poss means re a stargate....that wld be interesting.

 

Trouble is that although Einstein-Rosen bridges (wormholes or stargates) are allowed for in general relativity, which has always proved right, people assume that they would connect via a step to a place hundreds or perhaps thousands of light years away,

 

BUT if they do exist its likely they are in microscopic or black hole forms, and the larger ones are more likely to connect to places a significant chunk of the size of the denser part of the universe universe away (if its open) and still take a looooooooooong time to traverse in VERY inhospitable circumstances.

I think it could be as likely that the larger wormholes if they exist join separate high density points in what most might call different universes - and the other universe might have quite different basic laws of physics even if we could traverse the immense gravity shear.

 

Of course, it all depends on how bent space-time is - it could be quite straight, or it could be so bent it disappears up its own jacksy.

(hehehe)

I'm reasonably sure it isnt a closed system in either meaning just that matter is a condensed and dense form of energy, which creates what we understand as our universe (and others probably quite 'locally) as a denser area of space-time in a generally less dense universe.

Gravity slows the expansion into the less dense void. But gets weaker as the denser area (the universe) expands.

Hence the accelerating expansion of the universe.

 

https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/is-the-universe-an-open-or-a-closed-system.255948/

 

 

 

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otherwise, yeah, just turn it into an atom b against the lizards/ants. :)

 

nukes are boring, we got thousands of them.

 

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More like a phaser or disrupter. Much cooler.

Blast them out of the sky and only burn a hole in the atmosphere.

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it is an interesting one, and poss credible one given the maths/quantum physics etc. the old apparent 'philadelphia experiment', and nazi 'bell' time travel experiments spring to mind.....could it be on the (event) horizon :)

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it is an interesting one, and poss credible one given the maths/quantum physics etc. the old apparent 'philadelphia experiment', and nazi 'bell' time travel experiments spring to mind.....could it be on the (event) horizon :)

 

Sadly it would seem FTL travel is impossible.

All other things aside, a race that developed FTL would quickly spread out through the Galaxy, if not the universe, and there should be clear evidence of a even a type 2 civilisation anywhere in our galaxy, and there isnt,

Being able to propel a 100 ton object at even near light speed would give galactic+ energy levels.

 

So it would seem star travel would be based on sub light speeds.

 

 

One of the more readable summaries wink.gifhttp://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/ParticleAndNuclear/tachyons.html

 

 

 

This is fun biggrin.gif a kilo of sausages hitting our planet at 99.999% of light speed would be a very big barbecue

http://www.scienceforums.net/topic/34180-energy-needed-to-reach-99-c/

 

 

Also wormholes (other than the tightly looped sub microscopic strings touted in quantum theory) also assume that there is a shorter path - whereas its likely (given my posits) that our universe is the tight little bit of a vaster universe - although light might travel much faster in a less dense medium (than our dense bit of the universe) - once you got there.

Perhaps think of a knot in a piece of string.

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Just one interesting point in regard to whether the Moon landings were real or not.

 

The US Airforce only managed to get the SR-1 Blackbird spyplane operational in March 1968, after having years of problems to resolve, including accidents where pilots died.

 

Yet we are to believe that a year later NASA sent manned missions to the Moon, with rockets capable of doing this, Astronauts having all of the safety equipment and then being able to take off from the Moon, travel back to Earth and to land safely.

 

Of course these are two different beasts, but i am sceptical that NASA were that advanced in 1969 for them to be able to achieve manned Moon missions.

 

Does not make any sense to me. I can see why conspiracy theories have been shot down, because most experts are invested in believing in the missions.

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Just one interesting point in regard to whether the Moon landings were real or not.

 

The US Airforce only managed to get the SR-1 Blackbird spyplane operational in March 1968, after having years of problems to resolve, including accidents where pilots died.

 

Yet we are to believe that a year later NASA sent manned missions to the Moon, with rockets capable of doing this, Astronauts having all of the safety equipment and then being able to take off from the Moon, travel back to Earth and to land safely.

 

Of course these are two different beasts, but i am sceptical that NASA were that advanced in 1969 for them to be able to achieve manned Moon missions.

 

Does not make any sense to me. I can see why conspiracy theories have been shot down, because most experts are invested in believing in the missions.

 

 

Unc, the main issues there were heat, stress and vibration due to flying so fast in atmosphere.

Those are far bigger technical issues than mainly falling through gravity wells in a vacuum - where enough air, food/water, heat retention and radiation protection (Mass) are the issues.

 

(who remembers the simple little game where you had to pilot and land the little spaceship with limited fuel - thrust was one of the more complicated versions - and asteroid was (and still is) fun along similar lines)

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How about examining a real spooky unexplained:

 

Dowsing

 

Yes I have. Yes I believe it undoubtedly worked far better than chance would seem to allow - even on maps.

No I dont have any even vaguely reasonable explanation.

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Also wormholes (other than the tightly looped sub microscopic strings touted in quantum theory) also assume that there is a shorter path - whereas its likely (given my posits) that our universe is the tight little bit of a vaster universe - although light might travel much faster in a less dense medium (than our dense bit of the universe) - once you got there.

Perhaps think of a knot in a piece of string.

 

a bobble on a bedsheet might be a better metaphor (simile would be entirely inappropriate)

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and then there are Dragons :)

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and then there are Dragons :)

 

Meddle not in the affairs of Dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with Brie

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maybe a 'hole/doorway' will appear somewhere (maybe at the LHC), and dragons or the like will come through from another dimension...'the Mist' springs to mind.. :)

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I am not edible TJ! lol, I am sure there must have been Dragons and they were made out to be terrible but I do not think they were! lol xx

 

I am a nice Dragon! lol

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Dragons are real! I have two. OK, they are the bearded variety but they're real. :-)

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I am not edible TJ!

 

:-)

The Tory Legacy

Record high: Taxes, Immigration, Excrement in waterways, energy company/crony profits

Crumbling: Hospitals, Schools, council services, businesses and roads

 

If only the Govt had thrown a protective ring around care homes

with the same gusto they do around their crooked MPs

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another yearly 'end is nigh' prediction, this time via a 'death star'...:)

http://www.aol.com/article/news/2017/01/03/conspiracy-theorist-claims-the-world-will-end-in-2017/21646701/

 

maybe its related to this 'alien' star...:)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2017/01/04/alien-radio-signals-coming-neutron-star-galaxy-far-far-away/

good job Fords bunker is nearly ready :lol:

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Strangely enough I just heard 'coming around again' on the car radio.

Spoooky coincidence ...

 

It was telling me Nibiru is coming around again

OMG it must be true

 

:jaw:

 

 

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjU5-OvtKvRAhXClxoKHRtXAAIQ3ywIHTAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DnRdvA7fTrJ8&usg=AFQjCNFvDXEWtvDcQB6poHB7w3u6rLEO3g

The Tory Legacy

Record high: Taxes, Immigration, Excrement in waterways, energy company/crony profits

Crumbling: Hospitals, Schools, council services, businesses and roads

 

If only the Govt had thrown a protective ring around care homes

with the same gusto they do around their crooked MPs

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:) and then again next year, and so on..

 

apparently (the DM reporting on con theorists) the US sec of state recently went to the antarctic to visit an 'alien base within a pyramid' there...:alien:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-4094706/Is-lost-city-Antarctica-Mysterious-dome-building-created-ancient-civilisation-bizarre-theory-claims.html

(no doubt it has been uncovered due to all the ice melting...:) )

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