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    • just to be clear here..... the DVLA do not send letters if a drivers licence address differs from any car's V5C that shows the same driver as it's registered keeper.
    • sorry she is a private individual, the cars are parking on her land. she can clamp the cars. only firms were outlawed from doing it bazza. thats what the victims of people dumping cars on their drives near airports did and they didn't not get prosecuted.    
    • The DVLA keeps two records of you. One as a driver and one for your car. If they differ you might find out in around a month when they will send you a reminder as well as to your other half for their car. If you receive nothing then you can be fairly sure that you were tailgating though wouldn't explain why they didn't pick up your car on one of drive past their cameras. However even if you do get a PCN later then your situation will not change. The current PCN does not comply with the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 Schedule 4 which is the main law that covers private parking. It doesn't comply for two reasons. 1. Section 9 [2][a] states  (2)The notice must— (a)specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates; The PCN states 47 minutes which are the arrival and departure times not the time you were actually parked. if you subtract the time you took to drive from the entrance. look for a parking place  park in it perhaps having to manoeuvre a couple of times to fit within the lines and unload the children reloading the children getting seat belts on  driving to the exit stopping for cars pedestrians on the way you may well find that the actual time you were parked was quite likely to be around ten minutes over the required time.  Motorists are allowed a MINIMUM of ten minutes Grace period [something that the rogues in the parking industry conveniently forget-the word minimum] . So it could be that you did not overstay. 2] Sectio9 [2][f]  (ii)the creditor does not know both the name of the driver and a current address for service for the driver, the creditor will (if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met) have the right to recover from the keeper so much of that amount as remains unpaid; Your PCN does not include the words in brackets and in 2a the Act included the word "must". Another fail. What those failures mean is that MET cannot transfer the liability to pay the charge from the driver to the keeper. Only the driver is now liable which is why we recommend our members not to appeal. It is so easy to reveal who was driving by saying "when I parked the car" than "when the driver parked the car".  As long as they don't know who was driving they have little chance of winning in court. This is partly because Courts do not accept that the driver and the keeper are the same person. And because anyone with a valid motor insurance policy is able to drive your cars. It is a shame that you are too far away to get photos of the car park signage. It is often poor and quite often the parking rogues lose in Court on their poor signage alone. I hope hat you can now relax and not panic about the PCN. You will receive many letters from Met, their unregulated debt collectors and sixth rate solicitors threatening you with ever higher amounts of money. The poor dears have never read the Act which states quite clearly that the maximum sum that can be charged is the amount on the signs. The Act has only been in force for 12 years so it may take a  few more years for the penny to drop.  You can safely ignore everything they send you unless or until they send you a Letter of Claim. Just come back to us if they do send one of those love letters to you and we will advise on a snotty letter to send them. In the meantime go on and enjoy your life. Continue reading other threads and if you do get any worrying letters let us know. 
    • Hopefully the ANPR cameras didn't pick up the two vehicles, but I don't think you're out of the woods just yet. MET's "work" consists of sending out hundreds of these invoices every week so yours might be a few days behind your partner's. There is also the matter of Royal Mail.  I once sold two second-hand books to someone on eBay.  Weirdly the cost of sending them separately was less than the cost of sending them in one parcel.  So to save a few bob I sent them seperately.  One turned up the next day.  One arrived after four days.  They were  sent from the same post office at the same time! But let's hope I'm being too pessimistic. Please update us of any developments.
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I have had a quick look around here but I cannot find the info I am after. I have had a letter with a £65.50 fine after travelling with the wrong ticket. My mistake entirely, I got mixed up with another similar sounding station, when the error was pointed out I offered to pay the extra 50p but this fell on deaf ears. I want to pay the fine to avoid court action but I need to pay in instalments as I do not have £65.50 as I am a student and have no money now it is the summer. my query is does someone have a template of a letter for this kind of situation? I have come to write to them and have no idea what to put!

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The letter is as follows:

 

Dear xxx,

It has been reported that on Wednesday 11th July 2012 you travelled from xxx to xxx by train without a valid ticket.

 

This is an offence in law. being contrary to section 5(3)a of the Regulations of Railways Acts of 1889, and or Railway Byelaws and we are now preparing the case for court. If convicted of the offence, you could be ordered to pay a fine of up to £1000 and/ or be sentenced to 3 months imprisonment. The Magistrates' court also has the power to order you to pay our costs of bringing the prosecution together with compensation for any outstanding fare.

 

I have reviewed your case and I am, on this occasion, prepared to offer a settlement of this matter upon payment of £65.50 which equates to the outstanding fare owed of £0.50, plus a contribution of £65 towards costs incurred to date. This offer is made without prejudice.

 

Payment should be sent to this office within 10 days, and may be by cheque or postal order. Cheques should be made payable to xxx and crossed account payee. Do not send cash. Please quote the reference number at the top of the letter when sending payment. Should you wish to pay by debit or credit card please call the number at the top of the letter.

 

If you pay this sum by the due date then xxx will give an undertaking not to prosecute you in this instance. Should you fail to respond to this letter within 10 days you may be served with a summons without further notice from ourselves, requesting you to attend court to answer the charge(s). The costs incurred should this happen will increase. If you do not admit the offence, then you will have the opportunity to plead not guilty and ask the magistrate to try the case.

 

Yours Sincerely

xxx

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I wouldn't push it too much asking for installments. How does the TOC know you are going to maintain them?

 

Out of interest, is this Merseyrail?

 

I might get a bit of a flaming here, but you would be better borrowing the money, is there nothing you can pawn etc?

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If it is that bad and devastating for your future then you need to consider some of the more extreme alternatives like a PayDayLoan, (although these are horrendous, so only borrow exactly what you need and pay it back ASAP). Not sure if there's such thing as a "best" one.

 

You could ask your bank to extend your overdraft or sell your phone to CEX etc...

 

Is it Merseyrail? If so let me know ASAP.

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Hello again.

 

Please don't take out a payday loan unless it's really really necessary. There are threads and threads here about how bad they can be.

 

But I have read here before that rail companies don't take instalments. Can anyone else help you with the money?

 

Hopefully someone here will take pity on you and tell you what you could write, but you may need to think about how to pay the fine a bit more.

 

HB

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Unfortunately an opportunity to resolve by such a payment to avoid Court action is exactly that.

 

The TOC are tied in to rules that set time constraints for prosecution and they have no obligation to, nor interest in, setting up costly to administer, licenced collection schemes.

 

It is something that many people find embarassing and difficult to deal with, but if possible I would seriously consider approaching your family and explaining your predicament.

 

Maybe they will be able to help before the issue of a summons becomes a pressing reality that you have to deal with instead.

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Judging by the format of the letter it's either FGW or TPE?

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