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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
    • Thanks for all the suggestions so far I will amend original WS and send again for review.  While looking at my post at very beginning when I submitted photos of signs around the car park I noticed that it says 5 hours maximum stay while the signage sent by solicitor shows 4 hours maximum stay but mine is related to electric bay abuse not sure if this can be of any use in WS.
    • Not sure what to make of that or what it means for me, I was just about to head to my kip and it's a bit too late for legalise. When is the "expenditure occured"?  When they start spending money to write to me?  Or is this a bad thing (as "harsh" would imply)? When all is said and done, I do not have two beans to rub together, we rent our home and EVERYTHING of value has been purchased by and is in my wife's name and we are not financially linked in any way.  So at least if I can't escape my fate I can at least know that they will get sweet FA from me anyway   edit:  ah.. Sophia Harrison: Time bar decision tough on claimants WWW.SCOTTISHLEGAL.COM Time bar is a very complex area of law in Scotland relating to the period in which a claim for breach of duty can be pursued. The Scottish government...   This explains it like I am 5.  So, a good thing then because creditors clearly know they have suffered a loss the minute I stop paying them, this is why it is "harsh" (for them, not me)? Am I understanding this correctly?  
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One step at a time. Just get it clear what they want to do to sort the problem out.

 

Hi there

Papasmurf if you are there :) hope you are well and thank you for your advice so far regarding this, I have written to my employer stating that I want a written statement concluding what was discussed within the meeting and HR have now text me asking me to give them a ring tomorrow to confirm the details as requested, I do not want to do this verbally! As they already did this at the meeting! Should I not call them and write to them again to say that I wish for them to provide me with information in letter format? They obviously must have some issues doing this! Best wishes

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Papasmurf if you are there :) hope you are well and thank you for your advice so far regarding this, I have written to my employer stating that I want a written statement concluding what was discussed within the meeting and HR have now text me asking me to give them a ring tomorrow to confirm the details as requested, I do not want to do this verbally! As they already did this at the meeting! Should I not call them and write to them again to say that I wish for them to provide me with information in letter format? They obviously must have some issues doing this! Best wishes

 

Yes.

 

Also, they should have a grievance policy that they should be following, have they? Are they?

 

If they are breaching their own policy then they could be further victimising you, and that could be a further grievance.

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Yes.

 

Also, they should have a grievance policy that they should be following, have they? Are they?

 

If they are breaching their own policy then they could be further victimising you, and that could be a further grievance.

 

Hi there

Thank you for getting back to me, I wrote to them to say that I wanted to raise a grievence against them, then they called a meeting with HR who said that they could pay me off without going through the whole process of the grievance, so after the meeting I wrote to them to say can you put this in writing and tell me what you are willing to offer me? Now they are ringing and texting me, I don't think that they want to put this in writing!

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The fact is that you have put in a grievance about a discrimination matter... is that correct?

 

They are refusing to apply their own policy for grievances is that also correct?

 

They refuse to put in writing offers to settle this, have you witnesses that this has been offered verbally?

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The fact is that you have put in a grievance about a discrimination matter... is that correct?

They are refusing to apply their own policy for grievances is that also correct?

They refuse to put in writing offers to settle this, have you witnesses that this has been offered verbally?

 

Yes I do my mother was hiding in the kitchen when HR came out to see me lol I have recently found out that a former colleague who had left the organisation because of the same bullies has also left with a 'payout' in agreement not to take the matter further! I will write another letter stating that any communication that takes place needs to be put in writing :) thanks again for your help with this, its very much appreciated

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following with great interest, as I have a grievance in, but of course I would settle for a payout, but I want it put on record that the trauma, depression and anxiety caused me great pain, and still does. and bullies like this cannot get away with it. I always get everything in writing.......

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jess be careful on time limits.

You have 3 months from the time of the discriminatory act. If you are writing again, give them a defined time to write back with their proposals to settle and / or to hear your grievance.

 

If they don't comply, issue proceedings in the ET. Don't baulk at it, they will do a jobby in their corporate underwear as they then have to face the prospect of defending in open court.

 

Additionally ACAS then can be involved to settle the matter and a legally binding compromise deal reached.

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Hi there

I thought that I couldn't do anything until they did the final act of discrimination i.e. Dismissing me for being on the sick for so long? As i thought CD was really hard to prove and I haven't given in my notice yet as I need the money and everyone said not to. Sorry if I have got the wrong end of the stick :)

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If they are not allowing you to put in a grievance, what are you then supposed to do?

 

Force the issue. Other acts of discrimination and further acts of victimisation can be added later, if it ever reaches that stage.

 

You don't have the wrong end of the stick, but you have to get a sixth sense as to what they are up to and if they are time wasting they are doing that for a reason. That is why I said about getting their Grievance Policy and if they are not keeping to their own time limits then they will hope that the last act of discrimination will fall outside the time limit. So by complaining about victimisation about not following their own policy and they fail to progress the grievance then you have to take it to the ET to show you are serious about them sorting it out.

 

These firms have been this road many times and know the score, you don't and they bank on that.

 

Experience tells us that when you confront them they eventually collapse, even the biggest and worst of them.

 

It is a rocky road so be sure you want to go that route

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Thank you papasmurf, I can sense that they want to just pay me off and I think that they want to do this quickly and cheaply, they have said that they won't put the grievence forward yet if we can reach a compromise agreement but they are taking their time with this and don't seem to want to say what they are willing to offer in a letter they want to do this verbally, I have exactly one month left until it reaches the 3 month mark...

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Thank you I will write to them today and give them a certain date to reply by. I will let you know what happens, best wishes :)

 

Hi there papasmurf

I have been to the doctors this morning and they are refusing to give me anymore sick notes after two weeks time! So I have rang the work and their offer is £2k I feel really worried and don't know what to do :(

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Ring your GP surgery and ask the receptionist which of the GP's specialises in mental health issues, Then ask for an appt with that one. Just go and be open and honest with them, tell them what you are going through including a possible ET., and if you feel you can't talk like this to the GP then get it written down and handed in before your appt.

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first write a letter addressed to your GP explaining what has happened, how it has affected you, how you are feeling and state that you feel that you are suffering from a mental illness. Do not be afraid of 'mental illnes' it is an illness as sure as all other ailments. They vary in intensity and can be treated.

 

In the letter you should also explain that for him not to support you by issuing sick notes so you can address the cause of the problem in the way appointed is just not right or fair and that you ask him to reconsider his action. It also may be prudent to ask for a referral to your local mental health teams for specialist advice. You GP should not ignore this or he could become liable himself. You have to be specific in what you are asking. Many GP are not in tune with mental health issues and that is why there are specialists.

 

£2,000 seem rather low. You should NOT have asked the employer at this stage, it makes you seem weak and nervous of facing up to them.... maybe you are but it is bad tactics to show them!!

 

Remember EVERYTHING in writing.

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