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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
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Sorry for this but need some advice please.

 

Barclays have said we need to contact a Debt Agency as we owe them over £300 and £10 a month will take to long to pay them.

They have suggested CCCS and Payplan but am unsure if one is better then the other?

 

Barcalys asked if we could pay more then the £10

but as we explained to them we on benEfit (JSA ) and have to pay

rent of £40,

Electric of £25,

Gas £25 ETC

as well as other debtors.

 

Thank you in advance for any help/advice,

sorry if this posted twice,

 

having a few PC problems

 

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CCCS will normally only be able to take on the case if you have a salary. I don't know about PayPal.

 

Contact them anyway, they will send you a lot of helpful information.

 

To be honest, Barclays should really be able to put you on a temporary payment plan with the assumption you'll be back in work as you're on JSA.

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thanks forum, we were supposed to be paying them back at the agreed rate of £10 a month but they seem to think it is not enough and asked us for more, they have put out account on hold for two weeks and if they do not hear from us they will then close our account,we have JSA going in on Tuesday but was told that will be ok for us to have

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Assuming you're already set up to do counter debits then yes you'll be fine - providing someone doesn't get trigger happy and close the account early. It's unlikely but it does happen.

 

The thing is, you can't just carry on paying £10 a month, it's not 'allowed' and is drilled into their advisors during training. Just because your personal circumstances haven't changed, they'll still push for more money, as if everything else stopped costing so much.

 

Continue making payments and you should avoid further action, apart from the impending account closure of course. I suggest you speak with another bank and have a basic account set up. I have seen recommendations for a co-op Cashminder, if that's any use. Have your JSA details changed to your new bank ASAP or you'll be out of money.

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thank you, have spoken to payplan now and we are looking for a basic bank account but most want a monthly fee

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Hi,

 

If you have no dealings with the Co-Op you can get a basic cashminder account.

 

It would be best to go into a branch for this and do not ask for an overdraft.

 

You get a debit card with this account and online banking.

 

Even with bad credit you will get this account.

 

Great little bank account.

 

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Stormski

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You must specify your intent to open a Cashminder account. If they attempt to open a current account, not only will it be declined but it'll mark your credit file as a search.

 

Also, DO NOT let this account go overdrawn. You will be shut down after three occasions.

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ok thanks, there is no co-op bank here as we live in a village in the countryside and have one bank,Barclays.We do have tow co-op 's though, a largish super market and a smaller one and we have a membership card with them

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The Co-op have merged with Britannia. You can open an account there, and pay in through their counter. If you've got a Britannia branch i'd recommend looking into it.

 

The co-op stores won't be able to help you i'm afraid - however, I did hear they may be trialling in-store banking. Probably a long shot. They used to do it years ago with something called "handy banks", but even cash credits took up to seven days. The newer branches will of course be instant, should they be installed.

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Hi,

 

Well it is still worth trying to get to a Co-Op branch to make sure that they are going to try and open the 'correct' account.

 

Also, once it is open..you can pay money in at a post office ( and withdraw ) as well as at ATM'S.

 

As advised above..it is a good idea to keep a diary of what is in the account as it does tend to take a few days for the online banking to update with the correct figures...and you don't want to be falling into an unauthorised overdraft ( even though they should really never let this happen...bit sneaky ).

 

Regards,

Stormski

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will bear all this in mind, we have to rely on public transport right now and that is a diabolical! every 2 hours if we are lucky, I know there are more banks in Ely which is our nearest town and failing that it means a 2 hour trip to Cambridge,the joys of living in the country!

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You can open a Cashminder over the phone. I don't know what the process is to have your ID verified, possible sending copies of letters, passport or something like that.

 

I forgot you can pay cash into the post office. Cheques too, but it takes a while.

 

I've never lived out in the sticks before so I can't reflect on your predicament, but then I tend to use internet banking even whilst living in the big city.

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we also use internet banking,good job as that is how we found out about money going from our account! thank you all for your help and have clicked the stars on you both

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Payplan have been in touch with us but suggest we tell all our creditors about our financial difficulties,is this the same as doing your own DMP, have no idea how to do this,

 

Years ago we were with Gemstone Financial but we were paying them over £100 a month to keep our creditors at bay, just could not afford them so got shut.

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Hi,

 

You will get all the info here you need.

 

In fact far better information than any fee paying dmp will give you.

 

The usual advice is to start a thread on each debt giving as much info you can on it.

 

ie:

 

Original Creditor, type of debt ( credit card / loan / overdraft, etc ), how much is owed roughly, date taken out, whether it is now with a DCA etc.

 

Then others will be able to assist you on the way forward.

 

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thank you stormski

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Good luck with your DMP. It's not as hard as it sounds, especially if you get sent 5 Income & Expenditure forms...you'll have more clue about your money by the end of the month guaranteed.

 

One thing to watch out for is something called "negative disposable income". This is where, for example, you earn £1000 a month, but your bills (before debts) come to more than that. You don't have a penny to give back to the creditors, and they will simply default on you and send you packing.

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Just noticed this post. We have never charged a fee of anything like £100 a month. I assume the reference is to the overall payment, of which the majority (even in the case of £100 disposable income) would go directly to the creditors.

 

 

I obviously cannot comment in respect of specific cases on a public forum

 

 

The debate over 'free' or 'fee' will never end, and there are advantages and disadvantages to each. Assuming that the Debt Management Company is competent, the main disadvantage of using a commercial firm is of course the fact we charge for services. The question should therefore come down to value.

 

 

Incidentally, Payplan IS associated with a commercial entity that returns profit each year, of which some I believe is linked to the sale of IVAs from people referred to their 'free' debt management service.

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