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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
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Hello All,This is my first ever post so please bare with me! I am hoping there may be someone, somewhere who knows- more to the point-understands about ESA tribunals. I am due to attend a tribunal next month & thought i should start to prepare but quite frankly have no idea where to start on top of being petrified of actually going to the hearing! What i was wondering is, is it worth pointing out at the tribunal that the supposed HCP who came to my home to do the examination was completely unaware of my condition? He was working from the ESA50 form that i had completed a whole year before the actual examination took place. during this year i became seriously ill and it was later found that after having the accident they had actually missed that i had a broken bone in my neck that was on its way to severing my spinal cord. I had surgery then the ATOS examination 8 weeks later but the hcp had no idea when he arrived (after going to the address i had moved from a mere 5 months before?) of any further problems only what had been submitted in the original esa50 as obviously at the time i didnt know either, although i had informed my local office dealing with my ESA claim the same day i found out. I was just thinking, surely for him to compile a medically correct report he would have had to do a little "knowledge brush up" seeing as he is not a specialist in complex spinal issues? Myself and my sister- who was with me at the examination were truly shocked (completely gob smacked) by the whole palava but shocked/ amused that i had actually been awarded a total of 0 points! i can not believe that they have put me in this position of a tribunal and rejected my appeal. I seriously nearly gave up because of the stress but knowing i have been dealt with so unfairly makes me want to fight on. I would be so grateful of ANY advice. Thanks in advance.

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Hello there and welcome to CAG.

 

Here's a link to the forum sticky about appeals and tribunals. It's based on the letter I used for my own tribunal and I won! There are links to things like the DWP descriptors so you can argue the DWP's rules against them. You need a copy of your Atos assessment to do this. There's also a description of how my tribunal and Bookworm's went.

 

Please have a read and come back with any questions you have afterwards.

 

My best, HB

 

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?251737-Appealing-or-going-to-a-Tribunal-Some-useful-information

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Fisrstly- thankyou so much for replying & i am about to print your suggested letter, it looks perfect. I already have a copy of the report so can start to go through that the way you suggested. I just had a look at the handbook link but i dont think i can use it as it states those rules apply from 28th march 2011 and my examination was on the 17th!!! oh no does this mean im in trouble!

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Hello there. I don't think you're in trouble about the date change, but I'm not one of the forum experts. You could ask the DWP to send you the descriptors for when you had your 'medical', I guess.

 

I didn't realise they'd changed, tbh. With luck someone will turn up and explain to you about that one.

 

My best, HB

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Hi honey bee, Firstly thankyou so much for the link to the template letter it has proved an absolute god send. I have gone through all the sections of the doctors report and as you suggested and actually found a few more things than before. What i was wondering is - i have just noticed in the pile of tribunal papers in section 4 The facts of the case (from the dwp) that they have made a huge mistake regarding my condition & dates, i was just thinking is it worth writing this in as well or should i just leave it?

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Hello there. I'm not an expert, having done just my own appeal, but my feeling is you should definitely mention it if they've made a mistake. What have you got to lose?

 

My best, HB

 

PS If you win, and I really hope and pray you will [i shall do what I can to help], can I put you in my 'hall of fame' please?

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yes thats true i guess. I would love to join `the wall of fame` but am not holding out much hope at this stage, although i do firmly believe they have made a mistake. If i had to do this all again in 20 years it would be a minute too soon!! so so stressful!

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Nothing shocks me with the ESA, I scored 0 points too with a shoulder which kept dislocating(when I received the letter informing me and telling me to go back to work, I had just had surgery and had my arm in a sling) I eventually ended up having to leave my job and claim jsa. I appealed but didn't really have a chance of winning it as i was stuck on the wrong side of it affecting my everyday life as they put it.

 

Go to citizens advice or similar and see if they will help you with your case, not sure if you could also get legal help with it via legal aid.

 

Don't be afraid to mention anything what is the truth it's not your fault they don't take into account that your condition may worsen.

 

I was told after I lost my appeal that I could reclaim provided "there was/is a worsening in your condition" which from what you have posted is the case, so worst case scenario claim again stating the above. Hope I never have to encounter Employment and (no) Support Allowance again.

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Hi to all, just wanted to thank everyone for all help, info & reassurance especially honey Bee whos advise deemed invaluable. So i had my tribunal on friday, I won!! I went in with 0 points and came out with 45!! I was so so pleased and utterly relieved its over and in my favour!

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Hi to all, just wanted to thank everyone for all help, info & reassurance especially honey Bee whos advise deemed invaluable. So i had my tribunal on friday, I won!! I went in with 0 points and came out with 45!! I was so so pleased and utterly relieved its over and in my favour!

Holy oh my god. This is one of the biggest screwups I've ever heard of. I am so pleased for you, please, revel in this. All the crap they put you through, now you have proof that not only did they get it wrong, they got it monumentally wrong.

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