Sussex Security Solutions

[dixaroon]

oh hi and thanks im only sort of new I reclaimed charges ages ago but forgot my user id, anyway my notice is from sussex security solutions andlists why they have sent me the notice with a nice pic of the back of my head! it says if it is not paid in full or if i havent represented myself within 14 days a further 150 pounds excluding court costs will be incurred. Also went and looked at notice this morning and it goes onto say they will seize my car and sell it!

[esmerobbo]

They cant seize anything all they can do is send you silly letter's with stupid demands on! Ignore the troll post above #10 we often see these pop up saying they were taken to court but there untrue.

 

For any enforcement by bailiffs they would have to take you to court [very unlikely] they would have to win their claim [even more unlikely] then you would have to default on a judgement for them then to ask for enforcement.

 

I would send a copy of the letter to your local trading standards, making such threats is well over stepping the mark!

[wurg]

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Edited December 14, 2011 by wurg
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[dixaroon]

just an update.. received letter this morning pre court letter "if you do not pay the charge you will be registered as a debt at the local county court" then proceeds to say what to expect in court!

 

do I continue to ignore? very shabby looking letter by the way

[ManxRed]

Yes. They cannot just 'register a debt' with the county court!! They have to take you to court (fat chance), win (dear Lord no!), and then you still refuse to pay. THEN they can register a debt (CCJ). It doesn't sound half as scary when they tell the truth though does it?

[dixaroon]

thanks for your quick reply much appreciated funnily just noticed it says I can take this letter into court with me! thats nice of them it actually looks like its been written by a 5yr old

[Scooby Doo69]

These people are very very clever wording their letters in a way to look official. It works as from what I've read a large majority think they are dealing with something official.The Company is private and nothing to do with the legal system or The Police. They operate by getting people to pay up.It is nothing more then an invoice for monies which anyone could do. I could do it for you taking the time to read this post.I've received close to ten of these now and all have been returned to sender at their own expense.In the unlikely event that you receive a Court Summons, then is the time to take it seriously and seek proper legal advice.It ain't gonna happen all the time people are paying up anyway for the expense to them of a few first clase stamps and the use of a templated letters.

[SURFBOY]

These people are very very clever wording their letters in a way to look official. It works as from what I've read a large majority think they are dealing with something official.The Company is private and nothing to do with the legal system or The Police. They operate by getting people to pay up.It is nothing more then an invoice for monies which anyone could do. I could do it for you taking the time to read this post.I've received close to ten of these now and all have been returned to sender at their own expense.In the unlikely event that you receive a Court Summons, then is the time to take it seriously and seek proper legal advice.It ain't gonna happen all the time people are paying up anyway for the expense to them of a few first clase stamps and the use of a templated letters.

Or better still just IGNORING the begging letters at no cost whatsoever.

[Scooby Doo69]

Or better still just IGNORING the begging letters at no cost whatsoever.No cost to me so far. Just added the standard PO Box address that these cowards hide behind, cross out the original address and return to sender.

[Willows11]

thanks for your quick reply much appreciated funnily just noticed it says I can take this letter into court with me! thats nice of them it actually looks like its been written by a 5yr old

 

Hi! I'm new to this, what was the outcome? Did they take you to court? I've also received a notice from private parking firm (

[afcwben]

Hi! I'm new to this, what was the outcome? Did they take you to court? I've also received a notice from private parking firm (

This site is littered with claims form private parking firms and they all say ignore, so i would suggest ignore

[Bazooka Boo]

No private parking company takes anyone to court, they would be laughed out.

[Moowave]

I've recently had dealings with these people for parking in the same place mentioned on this thread - outside a shop in Newhaven. My wife is the named owner of our car so although I was driving the charge came to her.

 

We ignored it at first, but on the second correspondence my wife replied, as per the advice on a number of forums, saying she was not driving the car at the time, wasn't intending on saying who was, so they should cease correspondence.

 

They didn't of course and we received the most appallingly written, badly spelt and grammatically incorrect letter I've ever seen from a professional company. It threatened court action and a raised amount to pay and after a few weeks court documents came. We filled out our defence and returned them straight away.

 

On these documents my wife agreed to mediation to hopefully prevent the case going to court. This process took well over an hour and this is when my wife and I had one of the only arguments we have ever had. With SSS not backing down an inch and the possibility of court looming, my wife caved in and agreed to pay something around £160. Even while paying this they attempted to charge further administration costs of £15 (which they kindly agreed to waive...).

 

If you look at the section on the SSS website where they list recent court cases as a means to frighten people, most of their victories come from people doing what my wife did - caving in and paying up; or not responding to the court documents and SSS winning that way. There are, in 6 pages of court references, only 2 that I could see that actually went to court and lost. There's one there purporting to be a win for SSS which, when you actually look at the documents was a win for the defendant (it's currently bottom of the first page, perhaps I've misread something, if so I welcome anyone putting me right).

 

So my advice in dealing with these people (actually, I think it's just one person) is this:

 

- Think carefully about whether you would really be prepared to go to court. While I would absolutely not urge anyone to do this, if you are not prepared to go to court then you may as well just pay up straight away because they will see it through and might end up paying more.

 

- Don't ignore any court documents that come.

 

- If you feel you have a case and will win, then go to court and win. When you do please post it on every forum you can see so people like my wife don't feel so intimidated about going to court and companies like this one think twice about issuing court documents left, right and centre.

 

Good luck.

Edited August 24, 2012 by ims21

[Crocdoc]

Don't mess with these guys! They mean real business!

 

Anyone who has ever had the misfortune to have had a Private Parking Notice, from a Private Parking Company, can very very safely IGNORE any and all petty puerile threats of legal action that they claim can be taken against them.

 

What the employee of a PPC has done is to reinforce the fact that they know that we know, there is absolutely zero they can do.....as for trying to divert the actual truth is purely indicative of the legs they don't have to stand on, how desperate can you get? Not only in attempting to enforce something which you can't, and then to blatantly lie and tell mistruths to place doubt in someone's mind?

 

I agree entirely, I am freindly with someone in my local area (Legally Qualified) who has tried and tried to get one of these companies into a court on behalf of other people and has had no success whatsoever. They run away every time.

 

CAN ANYONE TELL ME WHERE THIS LOT OPERATE SO THAT I CAN OBTAIN ONE OF THEIR INVOICES IN ORDER TO PUT THEIR CLAIMS TO THE TEST ?

 

Coming soon, how to have lots of fun with the new appeals procedure, this will follow the wheel clamp sale.

Edited August 24, 2012 by Crocdoc

[SURFBOY]

I've recently had dealings with these people for parking in the same place mentioned on this thread - outside a shop in Newhaven. My wife is the named owner of our car so although I was driving the charge came to her.

 

We ignored it at first, but on the second correspondence my wife replied, as per the advice on a number of forums, saying she was not driving the car at the time, wasn't intending on saying who was, so they should cease correspondence.

 

They didn't of course and we received the most appallingly written, badly spelt and grammatically incorrect letter I've ever seen from a professional company. It threatened court action and a raised amount to pay and after a few weeks court documents came. We filled out our defence and returned them straight away.

 

On these documents my wife agreed to mediation to hopefully prevent the case going to court. This process took well over an hour and this is when my wife and I had one of the only arguments we have ever had. With SSS not backing down an inch and the possibility of court looming, my wife caved in and agreed to pay something around £160. Even while paying this they attempted to charge further administration costs of £15 (which they kindly agreed to waive...).

 

If you look at the section on the SSS website where they list recent court cases as a means to frighten people, most of their victories come from people doing what my wife did - caving in and paying up; or not responding to the court documents and SSS winning that way. There are, in 6 pages of court references, only 2 that I could see that actually went to court and lost. There's one there purporting to be a win for SSS which, when you actually look at the documents was a win for the defendant (it's currently bottom of the first page, perhaps I've misread something, if so I welcome anyone putting me right).

 

So my advice in dealing with these people (actually, I think it's just one person) is this:

 

- Think carefully about whether you would really be prepared to go to court. While I would absolutely not urge anyone to do this, if you are not prepared to go to court then you may as well just pay up straight away because they will see it through and might end up paying more.

 

- Don't ignore any court documents that come.

 

- If you feel you have a case and will win, then go to court and win. When you do please post it on every forum you can see so people like my wife don't feel so intimidated about going to court and companies like this one think twice about issuing court documents left, right and centre.

 

Good luck.

Idealy , what you should have done is ignored them totaly from the start.

Unless they actualy own the land in question or have a vested interest in the land they can not even bring a case to court.

Why did you pay them anything??

As your wife was not the driver she did not enter into any contract with them and therefore owed them NOTHING.

Your wife has been well and truly done over by these people.

You have just wasted £160 for nothing. If you like giving that ammount of money away can i have some please £160 would be nice.

[SURFBOY]

You say you enterd a defence to the court claim, what was that defence?

That your wife was not driving at the time?

That they have no legal authority to be bringing a claim?

That even if they did have the authority £160 is a contracual penalty and as such unenforcable?

That your wife was not even party to any contract?

Your wife decided to back down after entering a defence, why? Was she actualy party to the contract?

You realy should have read around the many advice forums on the internet before parting with your hard earned money!

[esmerobbo]

Their so called victories posted on their site are a joke nearly all defaults, a couple capitulated at mediation and a couple of wins after a defence but no reference to what the claim was for, except there own interpretation. Could well have been for someone who genuinely owed them money.

[Moowave]

"Idealy , what you should have done is ignored them totaly from the start."

We did ignore them from the start. When they threatened court action we felt we should respond. Perhaps we should have ignored them then too but given the number of copied court documents on their website showing automatic victories over people who decided to ignore everything I'm not sure this would have been a good idea.

 

"Unless they actualy own the land in question or have a vested interest in the land they can not even bring a case to court."

I don't know what their vested interest in the land is but the were very much going to take my wife to court. We have a number of court documents to that effect. Perhaps they are convincing forgeries and the court mediator was actually someone from SSS acting... Telling people that these cases will not go to court is both factually incorrect and extremely unhelpful for someone unsure of what course of action to take. They will absolutely go to court.

 

"Why did you pay them anything??

As your wife was not the driver she did not enter into any contract with them and therefore owed them NOTHING."

My wife was scared of going to court. Simple as that. I was furious that she did, but to be fair it's easy to spout fighting talk on an online forum and another thing entirely to actually have to go to court. When it came down to it, when she actually imagined herself in court having to defend herself, she realised she was scared and she was willing to pay not to have to go through that. I was livid that she backed down when everything we'd read suggested SSS had not a leg to stand on, but she was just petrified of going to court.

 

 

"Your wife has been well and truly done over by these people."

You are truly the king of insight

 

"You have just wasted £160 for nothing. If you like giving that ammount of money away can i have some please £160 would be nice."

Thanks. I wasn't feeling quite annoyed enough by this whole situation, I just needed a smug, gloating stranger to rub it in a bit more. Cheers.

[Moowave]

You say you enterd a defence to the court claim, what was that defence?

That your wife was not driving at the time?

That they have no legal authority to be bringing a claim?

That even if they did have the authority £160 is a contracual penalty and as such unenforcable?

That your wife was not even party to any contract?

Your wife decided to back down after entering a defence, why? Was she actualy party to the contract?

You realy should have read around the many advice forums on the internet before parting with your hard earned money!

 

The defence was that my wife was not driving. At the time of the mediation SSS said they were going to bring her to court as the registered owner of the car anyway. I offered to own up but SSS said it was too late and they were intent on bringing my wife to court.

We did read copious amounts of advice on forums like this and knew we were in the right, but, as I've said, my wife is one of many people who would rather pay up than go to court.

 

This is why my advice to people with notices from these people is either pay up in the first place when it's less money or be prepared to go to court. I'm tempted to go and park in the same place again just to have a day in court with these ****ers.

[SURFBOY]

I notice you take great pains to ridicule my posts. That's up to you. It does not concern me. I am entitled to my opinion. I think you have foolishly lost £160 when there was no need to. And i think your advice to pay this company is wrong. There is a wealth of factual information on the internet about this company and others like it and factual information telling you that your wife was not even party to any contract but you chose to pay them anyway. That is your choice and you are free to make that choice, but i think your advice to others in your posts, to pay up, is wrong. Let people take in the factual information and then make their own minds up.

[SURFBOY]

It looks like their web site and questionable court claims fooled you.

[SURFBOY]

" We did ignore them from the start. When they threatened court action we felt we should respond. Perhaps we should have ignored them then too but given the number of copied court documents on their website showing automatic victories over people who decided to ignore everything I'm not sure this would have been a good idea."

It is safe to ignore the "threat " of court action.

This forum and others on the internet suggests ignoring up untill actual ,genuine , court papers are sent.

They advise this because all PPCs rely on the mere threat of court to scare people into paying up, even SSS rely on the mere threat to part you with your money.

Some PPCs do start court proceedings, including SSS, but they do not take every ignored ticket to court. That is factual information supplied in a FOI request from the MOJ.

[Moowave]

I notice you take great pains to ridicule my posts. That's up to you. It does not concern me. I am entitled to my opinion. I think you have foolishly lost £160 when there was no need to. And i think your advice to pay this company is wrong. There is a wealth of factual information on the internet about this company and others like it and factual information telling you that your wife was not even party to any contract but you chose to pay them anyway. That is your choice and you are free to make that choice, but i think your advice to others in your posts, to pay up, is wrong. Let people take in the factual information and then make their own minds up.

 

It's no bother, really.

 

I fear you are not hearing me. I know all the facts; I researched extensively, I read posts this and many other forums, I looked at court cases and I know my wife was not liable. But despite knowing this when faced with going to court my wife got scared and paid up anyway. I also know we wasted £160 and I feel sick when I think of it so apologies if I don't thank you for rubbing it in.

 

Let me be clear: I am not recommending that people pay up; the last thing I want is for these parasites to get any more money. I am warning others that SSS WILL take them to court. I wish my wife had stood her ground and had her day in court. She wishes she'd just paid a much smaller amount at the start and not had the headaches that followed.

[SURFBOY]

What you should warn others is that SSS " MAY" take them to court , as may any other PPC.

The FOI request made to the MOJ makes it quite clear that PPCs do not take every case to court. Of all the tickets issued a minute ammount end up in court and a lot of them go undefended.

[SURFBOY]

SSS took 34 cases to court in the whole of 2011.

How come all 34 cases are not on their web site?

Were there some wins in there maybe?

I wonder how many tickets were issued in 2011?

I bet there were quite a lot more than 34 tickets issued?

So, moowave, it is obvious that they do not take all cases to court as you claim.