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    • Morning dx and thank you for your message.   With regards to your comment about them not needing to produce the deed, the additional directions ordered by the judge included 'a copy of any assignment o the debt or agreement relied upon'  so that is why I thought that point was relevant?
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During drive home light comes back on. 29/12/2023 - 29/01/2024 I carry on driving the car but closer to the date, engine goes to reduced power every now and again – not being a mechanic I presumed that this was due to above fault. 20/01/2024 Not expecting any more problems paid off the finance on the car using personal loan from bank with lower interest rate. 30/01/2024 Trade Centre replace to O2 sensor (They also take it on a roughly 60mile road trip which seems a bit excessive to me – I can’t prove this as something prompted me take a picture of milage when I handed car in but I forgot take one on collection – only remembered next day.) 06/02/2024 Engine goes in reduced power mode again and engine management light comes on – Thinking the Trade centre’s 28 day warranty period was over I booked the car the into local garage for the next day to get problem fixed under the lifetime warranty package. Fault seems to clear after engine was switched off. 07/02/2024 In the Morning, I take it to local garage who say as the light gone off – the warranty company is unlikely to cover the cost of the repair or diagnostics and recommend I contact them when the light comes back on. In the evening the light comes back on and luckily I manage to get it back to the garage just before it shuts for the day. 08/02/2024 The Garage sends me a diagnostics video showing a lot error codes been picked up by their diagnostics machine including codes for Oxygen sensor and Nox Sensors, Accelerator pedal and several more. Video also shows EGR Hose not connected to the intake manifold properly, they believed this was confusing the onboard system as it is unlikely this many sensors would trigger at same the time but they couldn’t be certain until they repaired the hose. 13/02/2024 Finally get the car back as it took a while to get approval and payment for the repairs from the Warranty company. Garage told me to keep an eye the car as errors had cleared with the hose but couldn’t 100% certain that’s what caused the problem. 06/03/2024 Engine management light comes on again. Fed up I go into Trade Centre as I was just around the corner when it happened and asked them how to reject the car or have the problem fixed. They insist that as it’s over 28 days I need to get the car fixed under the warranty package I purchased and they could no longer fix the car as it was over 28 days. When I tried telling them it appeared to be the same or related problem they said they couldn’t help as I hadn’t contacted them earlier. I asked them if they were willing to connect the car to the diagnostics machine and tell me what the problem was, as a goodwill gesture, which he agreed to do and took the car to the back He came back around 30 minutes later and said they took a look at the sensor they replaced previously and there was nothing wrong with it and engine management light went off when they removed the sensor to check it. When I asked what the error code he couldn’t give me an exact fault but the said it one of the problems I told him earlier (Accelerator pedal). I have this visit audio recorded on my phone – I informed the reps I was recording several times. As the light wasn’t on, local garage couldn’t book me for a repair under warranty. 07/03/2024 Light came on so managed to book back into local garage for the 12/03/2024 Whilst waiting to take car into garage, I borrowed a OBD sensor and scanned for errors on the car. This showed the following errors: P11BE – Manufacturer specific code (Google showed this to be NOX sensor) P0133 - Oxygen (Lambda) Sensor B1 S1: Response too Slow 12/03/2024 Took car to local garage and the confirmed the above errors. This leads me to believe that either Trade Centre UK reps lied and just reset the light or just didn’t check properly (Obviously I am unable to prove this) 22/03/2024 Finally got the car back as according to garage, the warranty company took a long to time to pay for the repairs 28/04/2024 Engine management Light has come back on. Using the borrowed OBD scanner I am getting the following codes: P0133 - Oxygen (Lambda) Sensor B1 S1: Response too Slow P2138 - Accelerator Position Sensors (G79) / (G185): Implausible Correlation I have not yet booked into a garage as I wanted to see what my rights are in terms of rejecting the car as to me the faults seem related. I can’t keep using taxi or train to get to work every time the car goes into the garage as it is getting very expensive. Am I right in thinking that they have used up their chance to repair when they conducted the repair end of January or when they refused to repair it in February ? If I am still able to reject the vehicle could you point to any sample letters or emails I can use. Thankyou for your advice on my next steps.
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You do not have to sign it.

 

You dont have to let them into your property.

 

You dont have to even speak to them.

 

Do not reply to it. Just put it on the claim file.

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It is not wise to ignore such letters.

 

With High Court Enforcement, the HCEO has NO right of forced entry into residential premises. Your car could however be at serious risk of being removed. They do NOT require your signature for removal of the car.

 

Anyone can avoid debts getting as far as a High Court Enforcement Officer by ensuring that the respond to the claim form to either defend the action or admit the claim and either pay the debt ( probably unaffordable ) OR complete the means forms and the court will make an order that the Judgment can be paid by way of monthly payments.

 

Also, if Judgment has been obtained, then by completing an N245 you can request that the court vary the order to allow you to pay the debt by way of affordable monthly payments.

 

If you had not received the summons, you can instead file an N244 to request that the court SET ASIDE the Judgment.

 

In this case, the HCEO is entitled to remove goods BUT he can only do so if you allow him into your property or he can gain entry "peacefully". Debts like this should not be ignored

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yes i agree on all points

i do not have anything to offer - the car is registered at a friends house so they are worried about this more than me - i sleep on floors and sofas they have taken everything i own any way thats why they obtained a judgement against my old property which was repossessed so i did not receive the summons

if i get it set aside and acknowledge the debt i dont have anything to offer and dont want to be burdened with them chasing me for ever id rather ignore it i dont have anythin g left its all been taken anyway

the car has been moved off my friends drive now

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If you are unemployed and NFA the court fee could be remitted, and the court could set a payment of £1 per month as a token, and possibly you could apply for a write off after 3 years under the head of never being able to repay, that is how a CAB I know of (a good one) operated

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Presumably as they have a writ of fi-fa for a CCJ, and are enforcing it as HCEOs could you post rough details, regarding original debt, amount of fees etc allow the regulars to pinpoint your best way forward, for example challenging the fees because you may be on benefit and cannot afford them, or some other reason to apply for a stay.

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I notice in that Bailiff's letter they could seize your pension, great that would leave the tax payer to pick up the bills in you retirement :roll:

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well its around 17 000

what is fi fa

what is hceos

 

thanks for looking in

i dont own anything

i dont have anything

im one short of living in a field

 

A writ of Fi-Fa is the document you have posted that allows the HCEO, High Court Enforcement Officer, to take your goods to sell at auction to pay the original debt, and his fees.

Are you technically homeless, such as staying with friends, or in a squat? are you a foreign national, from another EU counrty? this is not prying, it allows the regulars to look for the best way to tackle this. You have made the first important step by asking for advice here.

 

There may well be grounds to ask for a stay from the court on the grounds you have no income, possessions and cannot afford the HCEOs fees, how much of the £17,000 is the original debt? And how much are the fees the HCEO has added? we need to know how much is for each to give the best advice. You could fill in Form N244link3.gif and apply for a Stay of Execution on the grounds you cannot afford the fees, but others will be able to help further

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Posting a load of copies of letters about this will get you no help as we don't know what it is you are trying to acheive. We need more information in order to try & help you. At present I find this thread very confusing, you need to start at the beginning.

 

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well the thread really just outlines the letters being left at an address i dont reside at

- any help from people who have had the same kind of thing happen to them is gratefully received

 

my thread outlines my current situation

this is being put into the domain for others to read and possible give some advice

or so people in the same situation can join in

 

in most cases there is not much that can be done unless you can advise otherwise and so if you can offer any help great if not

read something else whilst you work/ drink coffee / etc etc in front of your screen

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