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    • They are absolute chuckleheads. You paid but because you entered a different car park site also belonging to them they are pursuing you despite them knowing what you had done. It would be very obvious to everyone, including Alliance that your car could not have been in two places at the same time. Thank you for posting the PCN so quickly making it a pity that you appealed since there are so many things wrong with it that you as keeper are not liable to pay the charge. They rarely accept appeals since that would mean they lose money but they have virtually no chance of beating you in Court. Very unlikely that they will take you to Court given the circumstances. Just in case you didn't out yourself as the driver could you please post up your appeal.
    • Jasowter I hope that common sense prevails with Iceland and the whole matter can be successfully ended. I would perhaps not have used a spell checker just to prove the dyslexia 🙂 though it may have made it more difficult to read. I noticed that you haven't uploaded the original PCN .Might not be necessary if the nes from Iceland is good. Otherwise perhaps you could get your son to do it by following the upload instructions so that we can appeal again with the extra ammunition provided by the PCN. Most of them rarely manage to get the wording right which means that you as the keeper are not liable to pay the charge-only the driver is and they do not know the name and address of the driver. So that would put you both in the clear if the PCN is non compliant.
    • Thank you so much. Yes, I wish I had done my research and not paid. It's all for the same car park. Here is one of the original PCNs, they are all the same bar different dates. PCN-22.03.24-1.pdf PCN-22.03.24-2.pdf
    • Hi Clou, Welcome to the Forum and thank you for reading first before you posted. There seems to be many problems with Cornwall and getting a signal to use your a phone which could be why these parking companies don't use alternatives. It is a shame you paid the first one as you would probably have not had to pay that one either.  Was the car park at which you paid the same parking company as the one sending you these PCNs? On the subject of PCNs could you please post them up so we can see if they comply with the Act.
    • 1 Date of the infringement 16th March   2 Date on the NTK [this must have been received within 14 days from the 'offence' date] 22nd March   [scan up BOTH SIDES as ONE PDF- follow the upload guide] please LEAVE IN LOCATION AND ALL DATES/TIMES/£'s   3 Date received unsure   4 Does the NTK mention schedule 4 of The Protections of Freedoms Act 2012? [Y/N?] UNSURE   5 Is there any photographic evidence of the event? Yes   6 Have you appealed? [Y] post up your appeal] Yes. Stated incorrect location was used in JustPark app as honest mistake. Rejected of course.   Have you had a response? [Y/N?] post it up Yes, rejected:   Site: Sea View Car Park, PL27 6SR Date of Event: 16th March 2024 We are in receipt of your challenge in relation to the above Parking Charge. Appeals must be handled in a fair and consistent manner, therefore, in order for us to cancel any Parking Charge; it is necessary for us to find that the Notice was issued in error. As per the clear and prominent signage at this location ('The Contract'), drivers agree to pay the sum of £100 if 'A valid ticket is not displayed face-up on the dashboard; enabling all of the printed information to be inspected'. 'The Contract' also details that there is an exception for those with a valid mobile session in place. Had the driver felt that the terms of the contract were unacceptable, they had the option to seek alternative parking. By remaining, the driver is deemed in law to be bound by the terms of 'The Contract'. Our photographic evidence confirms that a valid ticket was not displayed, and a search of our records confirms that no mobile session was in place for the registration XXXX at this location; therefore, your appeal is declined. We note that you have submitted evidence of payment; however, said payment is not for this location. It may be the case that you feel that the charge is unfair; however, there is no legal basis to now reject a charge that the driver has already agreed to pay. In light of the above, the sum £100.00 is payable by 21/05/2024 or £170 thereafter. Our internal appeals procedure is now exhausted, our decision is final; therefore no further correspondence other than payment will be addressed or responded to. Should you disagree with our decision, you may submit an appeal to 'The Independent Appeals Service'; full details are on the rear of this letter. 7 Who is the parking company? Alliance Parking LTD   8. Where exactly [carpark name and town] Sea View Car park, Polzeath, Cornwall   For either option, does it say which appeals body they operate under. IAS Hi there, thanks in advance for any help on this.   Had 3 'PCNs' in post from Alliance for parking 3 times over a period of two weeks, unfortunately we were away from home so letters must have come over the two weeks but we received all at once if that makes sense. I realised I had used the wrong location on the car park app. The signs are not clear what the location is called (no code.) I only had receipts for two instances so I assume the first it didn't go through as had terrible signal. Paid £60 for one of the fines. Appealed the others saying it was an honest mistake and not very good signage (unfortunately submitted on their website and have no evidence of my appeal.) received the rejection of appeal as above.   Have now received the attached letter of claim. I have done some research for the amazing snotty letters but wonder if someone could kindly help me with writing one specific to my case? Thank you so very much in advance. LOC-alliance-1.pdf Apologies, 2nd page of LOC here. LOC-alliance-2.pdf
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Thanks for your reply.

 

It is a council issued ticket.

 

My question is, am I not even allowed to stop there for a few minutes while the car's engine is on, my emergency lights are working and I am in the car?

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Not unless you were loading/unloading

What is the definition of loading in this context? do I have to drive a specific type of vehicle or to have some sort of permit in order to load/unload?

 

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What is the definition of loading in this context? do I have to drive a specific type of vehicle or to have some sort of permit in order to load/unload?

 

Thanks.

 

If the sign stated 'goods vehicle' on it then yes.

 

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It is a bit confusing as it says on the letter that I received that I"parked in a loading place during restricted hours without loading".

 

My point is that I didn't park but was just waiting few minutes in the driver seat for my friend to pick up something from a library and to come back.

 

Can I make representations on that basis?

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If you stopped you car within the loading bay and let your passenger out and waited for him/her, then you were parked. So how can you appeal? The only avenue you could possibly consider is if there is anything wrong with the signage/road markings or the actual PCN itself.

 

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Loading means, er, loading. You didn't hence the ticket. What part of it is that you are confused about? When your car landed in the space and you removed your oxygen thrapple suit, did you check your gangle flaps were indeed set to regenartive thropple twong? No? There you go then.

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No but you would need to at least get out of the vehicle to unload.

 

Not necessarily. The driver could have remained in the driver's seat whilst the passenger, or even a shop assistant, loaded a large/heavy object into the boot.

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Not necessarily. The driver could have remained in the driver's seat whilst the passenger, or even a shop assistant, loaded a large/heavy object into the boot.

 

I think you are not giving the OP much credit! I'm sure if some kind soul had been loading the car for him he would have mentioned that rather than enquire if sitting in the car was a defence for parking in a loading bay without loading.

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So I take it that me sitting in the car is not a basis to making representations in any case?

 

Thank you all for your help!

 

Well I did make a suggestion in post #9. If you give the location we could take a look on street view to see if there is anything wrong with the markings/signage and you could psot up the PCN itself (after washing VRM details) so we can check that also.

 

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i also got the same problem.i parked and waiting inside in hammersmith king street.it says loading bay for goods vehicle only .Do you think will i win if i appeal against it?Please i need help.

 

Do you drive a goods vehicle and where you loading?

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No i don't have Goods Vehicle .eventhough my car is not Goods Vehicle,i believe am still entitle to deliver Goods .the sign on the post says "Loading bay for goods Vehicle only" but on the road marked saying "loading Bay"only.when first i parked ,i saw the road mark and parked and wait.i only stay 11 mints.on the picture they sent me it shown that i am inside the car.please i need advice and wants to argue if i have a very good ground.

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I'm afraid you don't have a case. Unless your vehicle is purely designed for carrying goods (like a van ect), then your class of vehicle isn't permitted to park there whether you are loading or not. Your only hope is that there is anything wrong with the signage/road markings/PCN.

 

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No i don't have Goods Vehicle .eventhough my car is not Goods Vehicle,i believe am still entitle to deliver Goods .the sign on the post says "Loading bay for goods Vehicle only" but on the road marked saying "loading Bay"only.when first i parked ,i saw the road mark and parked and wait.i only stay 11 mints.on the picture they sent me it shown that i am inside the car.please i need advice and wants to argue if i have a very good ground.

 

 

 

 

It's irrelevant that you were in the car. Why do so many people think they are not 'parked' if they are still in the car?

 

Your car was parked in a loading bay without loading. BTW I'd be willing to bet that the legend on the ground does not say 'loading bay'.

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Why do so many people think they are not 'parked' if they are still in the car?

 

Because years ago, when Traffic Wardens were created to keep traffic moving, they were trained that way, they moved you on if you were in the vehicle, and slapped a ticket on if the vehicle was empty.

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It's irrelevant that you were in the car. Why do so many people think they are not 'parked' if they are still in the car?

 

Your car was parked in a loading bay without loading. BTW I'd be willing to bet that the legend on the ground does not say 'loading bay'.

 

my main reason i parked my car was waiting my mate to drop a delivery.it only takes her 12 minutes. if they play back the camera ,they can see it.

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Why do so many people think they are not 'parked' if they are still in the car?

 

Because years ago, when Traffic Wardens were created to keep traffic moving, they were trained that way, they moved you on if you were in the vehicle, and slapped a ticket on if the vehicle was empty.

 

the ticket they send me ,they have my car with a picture of mine sitting inside.please give me advice .

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