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    • Thank-you dx, What you have written is certainly helpful to my understanding. The only thing I would say, what I found to be most worrying and led me to start this discussion is, I believe the judge did not merely admonish the defendant in the case in question, but used that point to dismiss the case in the claimants favour. To me, and I don't have your experience or knowledge, that is somewhat troubling. Again, the caveat being that we don't know exactly what went on but I think we can infer the reason for the judgement. Thank-you for your feedback. EDIT: I guess that the case I refer to is only one case and it may never happen again and the strategy not to appeal is still the best strategy even in this event, but I really did find the outcome of that case, not only extremely annoying but also worrying. Let's hope other judges are not quite so narrow minded and don't get fixated on one particular issue as FTMDave alluded to.
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    • the claimant in their WS can refer to whatever previous CC judgements they like, as we do in our WS's, but CC judgements do not set a legal precedence. however, they do often refer to judgements like Bevis, those cases do created a precedence as they were court of appeal rulings. as for if the defendant, prior to the raising of a claim, dobbed themselves in as the driver in writing during any appeal to the PPC, i don't think we've seen one case whereby the claimant referred to such in their WS.. ?? but they certainly typically include said appeal letters in their exhibits. i certainly dont think it's a good idea to 'remind' them of such at the defence stage, even if the defendant did admit such in a written appeal. i would further go as far to say, that could be even more damaging to the whole case than a judge admonishing a defendant for not appealing to the PPC in the 1st place. it sort of blows the defendant out the water before the judge reads anything else. dx  
    • Hi LFI, Your knowledge in this area is greater than I could possibly hope to have and as such I appreciate your feedback. I'm not sure that I agree the reason why a barrister would say that, only to get new customers, I'm sure he must have had professional experience in this area that qualifies him to make that point. 🙂 In your point 1 you mention: 1] there is a real danger that some part of the appeal will point out that the person appealing [the keeper ] is also the driver. I understand the point you are making but I was referring to when the keeper is also the driver and admits it later and only in this circumstance, but I understand what you are saying. I take on board the issues you raise in point 2. Is it possible that a PPC (claimant) could refer back to the case above as proof that the motorist should have appealed, like they refer back to other cases? Thanks once again for the feedback.
    • Well barristers would say that in the hope that motorists would go to them for advice -obviously paid advice.  The problem with appealing is at least twofold. 1] there is a real danger that some part of the appeal will point out that the person appealing [the keeper ] is also the driver.  And in a lot of cases the last thing the keeper wants when they are also the driver is that the parking company knows that. It makes it so much easier for them as the majority  of Judges do not accept that the keeper and the driver are the same person for obvious reasons. Often they are not the same person especially when it is a family car where the husband, wife and children are all insured to drive the same car. On top of that  just about every person who has a valid insurance policy is able to drive another person's vehicle. So there are many possibilities and it should be up to the parking company to prove it to some extent.  Most parking company's do not accept appeals under virtually any circumstances. But insist that you carry on and appeal to their so called impartial jury who are often anything but impartial. By turning down that second appeal, many motorists pay up because they don't know enough about PoFA to argue with those decisions which brings us to the second problem. 2] the major parking companies are mostly unscrupulous, lying cheating scrotes. So when you appeal and your reasons look as if they would have merit in Court, they then go about  concocting a Witness Statement to debunk that challenge. We feel that by leaving what we think are the strongest arguments to our Member's Witness Statements, it leaves insufficient time to be thwarted with their lies etc. And when the motorists defence is good enough to win, it should win regardless of when it is first produced.   
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Good day to you all ... I'd appreciate opinions/advice on who I should complain to -

 

I bought an item from Ideal World on 4 instalments. First three went through ok but the final payment of £19.75 was rejected by my bank on 18 March. I had letter saying they would represent and I took no action because there was no reason I was aware of that payment wouldn't go through. However, the payment was rejected again (I think because card was expiring end of April and I'd started to use a new card) but my complaint is that the payment of 19.75 due 18 March had risen to over £50 by 16 April by which time it had already been passed to Debt Recovery agents. That's less than a month to whack on over £150% and the charges are mostly from Ideal World not the DR company. I have paid the DR company the full amount and I have emailed Ideal World to complain but the more I think about it the angrier I feel ... I don't mind paying a reasonable penalty but this seems completely OTT. Any thoughts please?

Thank you, Julie.

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Hi Dragons Dennis ... Here is a copy and paste which I guess explains it ... although it doesn't make it clear how quickly they make these attempts to collect the payment ... they must have made all attempts within 4 weeks of the due date ... it just doesn't give a person much time to respond ... I realise I have a responsibility here but the fact is I have been dealing with a major crisis at home and this is just one of many things that got neglected. The fact that the original amount is less than £20 makes it so much harder to swallow.

 

"What happens if I miss a payment?

 

We understand that sometimes mistakes happen. If we attempt to take a payment and your bank declines it, we will send you a letter to let you know. We will attempt to take payment again 14 days after the original instalment date. However, if your card is declined again, we will add a £10 plus VAT administration charge to your outstanding balance which will be payable immediately, along with your missed instalment.

 

What happens if the third attempt to take payment fails?

 

We will attempt to collect an instalment three times before handing it over to a debt collection agency. On the second and third attempt we will add a £10 plus VAT administration charge to your account. If you have still not paid, all outstanding payments due for your items (the missed instalments and any future instalments otherwise due at a later date) will be payable immediately in full, together with the combined £20 plus VAT administration fee. A debt collection agency will be instructed to recover these amounts from you who will add additional charges to the debt. Document and administration charges of 14% plus VAT will be added when the agency is instructed to recover the debt. This charge will be increased to 29% plus VAT if a doorstep collection is required. Failure to settle the account with the debt collection agency may result in legal action being taken against you and any legal fees and costs added to your debt.

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seems as though it was your fault, so charges are relevant; all you can do is query them as you have done so you need to wait for their response.

It seems that you missed 3 submissions, so about riight.

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they still unlawful penalty charges that can be reclaimed though!

 

dx

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Yes I'm not disputing my fault here ... but I understand penalty or administration charges over £12 are unlawful - so can they get around that by charging two lots of £10 ... on a monthly card that would amount to £20 ... then of course there is VAT and the charge made by the Debt Recovery agent ... so £19.74 turns into £50.30 less than one month after the due date.

Well if it's legal so be it ... but it certainly isn't fair in my book.

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no ANY charge is a penalty charge

 

go reclaim them all + int at their rate

 

dx

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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DCA's also cannot add charges - thats against regs too!!

 

dx

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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