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Hi All,

 

I travelled from london to leeds on 21st mach 2011 and my towards journey was on 18th of march from leeds to london. While booking my ticket i selected the option print at home ticket. Hence i have summary sheet which has a print option on that page. I carried that for my journey.that particular copy has refference number etc. This is the first time i am using this option (i.e. print at home). I was given an unpaid fare notice after all explanation to train Gaurd that I will show my debit card with which i booked the ticket and verify the booking ref number from this printout etc.. was issue 119.50 pounds.

I think if he wishes it is really easy for the garud to chec the seat number if on the summary i produced to cross heck with other passegers..

 

I sent the printout of my bank statement,unpaid fare notice, ticket printout i carried during my journey and actual prntout ticket which i managed it to print after reaching home. I didn't hear back from them. I didn't realize that i will have to sent the check wth the original unpaidfare notice. today is 9th day. I wanted to pay the amount but not sure how to pay it. Can anyopne who see my post help me please............ after paying 40 pounds for this journey i will have to pay this 120 :-(............ I tried calling to customer relations but they said its not their job..............

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This is a strange one. I didn't know that you could 'print tickets at home'. My understanding is that when you book on line and pay by debit/credit card, you get a reference number which you key into a ticket machine at the originating station (along with the card you have used to pay) which then dispenses your ticket(s). My guess is that the OP has assumed that the journey print out/confirmation was also his/her ticket which obviously it wasn't. Could the guard not of been a tad more lenient here? clearly this is a genuine mistake by the OP?

 

I suggest that the OP writes to the train operator (to whom he/she has made this payment to) and includes evidence of the payment of the original fare explaining his/her mistake and that they consider refunding the additional payment as a one off.

 

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I agree with you SS. From a quick look at the trainline website, that seems to be how they organise it. It seems to be a bit antiquated, when you can turn up at an airport with a pretty scruffy piece of home printed paper and get on a flight these days. The ferries and Eurotunnel have been operating with just a booking reference number for years too.

 

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some TOC's do allow print at home, I believe it is just Crosscountry (and then only for journeys that are entirely on Crosscountry), Virgin West Coast and Wrexham and Shropshire (who have now ceased operating), there may be more, also megatrain operate a system where just a reference is required.

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Hi All,

 

I travelled from london to leeds on 21st mach 2011 and my towards journey was on 18th of march from leeds to london. While booking my ticket i selected the option print at home ticket. Hence i have summary sheet which has a print option on that page. I carried that for my journey.that particular copy has refference number etc. This is the first time i am using this option (i.e. print at home). I was given an unpaid fare notice after all explanation to train Gaurd that I will show my debit card with which i booked the ticket and verify the booking ref number from this printout etc.. was issue 119.50 pounds.

I think if he wishes it is really easy for the garud to chec the seat number if on the summary i produced to cross heck with other passegers..

 

I sent the printout of my bank statement,unpaid fare notice, ticket printout i carried during my journey and actual prntout ticket which i managed it to print after reaching home. I didn't hear back from them. I didn't realize that i will have to sent the check wth the original unpaidfare notice. today is 9th day. I wanted to pay the amount but not sure how to pay it. Can anyopne who see my post help me please............ after paying 40 pounds for this journey i will have to pay this 120 :-(............ I tried calling to customer relations but they said its not their job..............

 

 

It might seem a little hard to some people, but the reason that the actual ticket must be produced along with the credit/debit card that was used to book it is to ensure that the conditions of issue and use are being properly observed by both parties and to prevent fraudulent misuse whereby one person travels using the ticket and another using the summary (confirmation) sheet. (It isn't uncommon and does usually attract a heavy penalty when prosecuted)

 

The summary sheet, or booking confirmation, cannot be accepted for travel because it isn't the 'valid travel ticket' that would be produced if you had used the print ticket option that your post recognises was there at the time of booking. Acceptance of these terms & conditions has to be made at the time of booking in order to get the confirmation and to be accepted as valid for travel the actual ticket must be shown.

 

That said, I suggest that you should still pursue an appeal if your print-out that you got when you returned home shows that the ticket is timed and dated after the Unpaid Fare Notice was issued, send a copy to RPSS along with a further letter of appeal stating that you think they are being unreasonable.

 

In your letter I suggest that you should state that your evidence shows that this was a first time user error. Remind them that the actual ticket had not been printed and therefore could not have been used by a third party, but that you had paid your fare and that you can show evidence to that effect should they wish to pursue the matter.

 

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Mobile phones already have 3g style condensed bar-code readers, so the technology for scanners to read and securely process home printed tickets cannot be far away.

 

Digressing slightly, but I visit India regularly and always purchase tickets on line in advance and print them at home. On the journey, I simply show my passport to confirm my ID. Granted, the seats are all booked and the seat number shown on the ticket, which makes security less of an issue, but there are literally thousands of trains per week which use this system. Perhaps Indian Railways should be bidding for the 'new' franchises. Then we may expect RPIs with lathi batons and railway courts at principal stations to deal with scrotes. :-)

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Hello Ramya, I hope you found where your post has moved to. Is this what happened to you? If not, please could you tell us a bit more?

 

My best, HB

 

Hi HB,

 

yes this is what happened to me. I booked the train ticket on line(to and fro) and when i saw summary seet with a print option on the right han corner assumed it to be same like megabus or ntional expres bus ticket. But this is what happened... Which areas d you want me to explain more?

 

thanks.

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Hi All, Finaly I manged to pay 119.50. I am planning to write a letter in detail with quoating my ref number.

thanks in advance. Ramya

 

I suggest you follow my advice in post #3 along with Old Codja's in post #7

 

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Please click my reputation 'star' button at the bottom of my profile window on the left if you found my advice useful.

 

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East Coast have just started to introduce 'print at home' tickets and I have received them when I have changes a journey. I travel so much this happens a lot!

 

If the journey is for a change you would need the original tickets as well. Not sure how it would work if ticket was for a 'new' journey.

 

Whenever I have had a problem with EC (or its predecessors) I have made contact with their customer services operations through their website and have always had my issues resolved without problem. Incidentally I think this is the best website for booking whoever I am travelling with.

 

Please note that I am writing this as a regular traveller (2-3 journeys most weeks) and have no other connection with the company.

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