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Hi BD and Gallahad,

 

Its a dilemma indeed. I am only 4 payments missed in but they will surely default me in a couple more. Its a bit like playing chicken on railway line (never done that and i dont condone it, okay kids!). Do i feel lucky or not :-)

 

I wonder what the actual odds are of reaching SB with a debt at about 9k and rising?

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Without the CCA they SHOULD be unable to enforce - but who knows any more in this creditor-friendly lehgal system? They may well be open to a low F&F offer in a few months if you play it correctly.

 

You still have 5 1/2 years or so until SB - so I would send a token £5 by cheque - only to be banked if all charges and interest frozen - and see if they accept this while they try to "locate" the CCA.

 

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I am inclined to agree BD (and it will be a minimal offer). I have no doubt they will still kick me to a dca but its a little bit of cover to say i tried :-)

Of course, as soon as i hit dca-ville, that will be a different ball game i suspect ;-)

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Hi minmoo

 

I agree with all the above; I did say pay the token (to the OC only of course) or offer to pay; many don't bother to reply to the offer; I'm paying some and offering without reply to others.

 

I suspect it makes little difference in the end; the debt collection landscape will look different in 6 years time and maybe in 6 months time.

 

what happened to the guilt trip by the way?:-)

 

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Hi Vic, i have managed to purge myself. Having gone through some other threads today, namely Phatrams and Bilious', i can see that guilt will get me nowhere :-)

 

With that in mind, i have just in the last five minutes, finished writing my letter of complaint (keeping the venom to a minimum) and will now write a letter with my token offer! I have started to see that there is no right or wrong way on this journey. Each task will be tackled in order of appearance.

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My head is spinning!

 

Ok, i'm self employed and the last 3 months has made my life hell with debts.

 

I have 4 credit cards all of which I have sent a cca letter to. It has been 14 days and not 1 of them has got back to me. The cca letters were sent recorded and only 2 of the cheques (£1) have been cashed.

 

I have never been late with a payment but as of today all 4 of my direct debit payments to them have been cancelled. I can no longer afford to pay £100 interest while paying off £10 of the balance :mad2:

 

My question is what to do next. If they do not respond to the cca request or cannot provide one should I get a f&f settlement or tell them to bugger off becuase the debt is not enforcable. If I do get a cca should I ask for a f&f settlement straight away?

 

I do not want to wait until I get all of the threatening letters and phone calls I would rather sort it now.

 

Also I couldn't give 2 sh*ts about writing off the debt and being labeled as "the guy that got credit and never paid it back". They have had more than enough interest off me to cover all of my debts.

 

I also don't want my credit rating messed up if I can help it becuase we may need to remortgage.

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Rankore

 

You're expecting miracles! They take ages to reply - if at all!

 

Read up on some relevant CCA threads and you'll soon realise just how it works (or doesn't!)

 

Your Credit Rating WILL get trashed as soon as you are late paying them one monthly payment - or even agree a short settlement F&F.

 

If your rating is still A1 (worth checking for £2?) then you need to prioritise:

 

a) get them worried so they will agree to freeze interest and let you pay the debt off at affordable monthly amounts - but accept your rating is trashed. They are VERY unlikely to agree to a decent F&F right away - especially if your payment record has been A1.

 

OR

 

b) you keep up your payments and see if you can negotiate an F&F (unlikley) OR if you can raise the money to pay them in full at cheaper interest rates elsewhere - Personal Loan, Overdraft, Re-mortgage etc. NB - Reputable finance sources only! - no consolidated loan merchants etc.! Beware - some outfits (MBNA for one) will introduce you at an outfit charging huge apr's.

 

As far as I am aware there is no third option - and they don't tend to agree to freeze interest or agree to short settlements until they're worried they might end up with zilch.

 

However there's nothing to stop you doing CCA, SAR and CPUTR 2008 (all in order and in good time) while faithfully keeping up your payments. If they suspect you may go for unenforceability they may agree to F&F then - but they will then probably screw you with the CRA's no matter what they promise.

 

Your SAR may unearth unfair charges you can get back - with lots of interest at THEIR rates - making a big dent in your balances!

 

If you do find the golden key to your situation please let us know. Many of us have looked for it for years!

 

BD

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Hi Vic, i have managed to purge myself. Having gone through some other threads today, namely Phatrams and Bilious', i can see that guilt will get me nowhere :-)

 

With that in mind, i have just in the last five minutes, finished writing my letter of complaint (keeping the venom to a minimum) and will now write a letter with my token offer! I have started to see that there is no right or wrong way on this journey. Each task will be tackled in order of appearance.

 

Minmoo, if you're going to write a letter of complaint, then give them a chance to reply to it... along with your request under CPUTR.... before making offers. It sounds as if you're getting the jitters.

 

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I think minmoo is talking about an offer to continue paying a token £5 per month with frozen interest and charges whilst they find (or forge) the CCA - not an F&F.

 

I think in the current creditor-friendly climate this might be a wise move - shows a court the debtor is not walking away from debts - just quite understandably wanting to be sure of the exact T&C's agreed by both parties as applying to these debts - as they may well be "totally repaid" already (assuming they were agreed at 0% or very low interest charges???).

 

Any plea from the OC or a DCA to pay more can be met with "sure - I'll pay you exactly what you're due as soon as you show me exactly what that is - based on the exact original T&C's I signed for and any subsequent T&C's I accepted". Until then the debtor is very kindly giving the creditor £5 (without any proof it's actually due) to go against any remaining debt balance subsequently established and based on the T&C's applying right through the life of the debt - or simply buy a drink with to calm their nerves - very generous of minmoo!

 

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Hi guys, i consider you all friends and hope that it will be like that for a long time :-)

 

The complaint is going in for ignoring my request for help at the beginning. This was advised to me before, by Bigdebtor i think. Offering payments was purely in response to the comments in the judgement handed down yesterday. I thought it made some sort of sense to offer a bare minimum token payment purely to appease any DJ in a potential court case further down the track. They would be minuscule. But i am more than happy to listen to those that are more experienced.

 

So, is it worth worrying about the comment the judge made? Is the best advice still to sit tight, Vic you did say you offer most the bare minimum. I think i am just trying to cover all bases and pre-empt action later on. Certainly not getting jitters, i cant afford to pay them whatever happens lol.

 

Vic, i do hope i havent offended you, i take yours and everyone elses advice very seriously and i couldnt be without this site. Thats for sure :-)

 

You are all so patient with my ramblings. Thank you!

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I think minmoo is talking about an offer to continue paying a token £5 per month with frozen interest and charges whilst they find (or forge) the CCA - not an F&F.

 

I think in the current creditor-friendly climate this might be a wise move - shows a court the debtor is not walking away from debts - just quite understandably wanting to be sure of the exact T&C's agreed by both parties as applying to these debts - as they may well be "totally repaid" already (assuming they were agreed at 0% or very low interest charges???).

 

Any plea from the OC or a DCA to pay more can be met with "sure - I'll pay you exactly what you're due as soon as you show me exactly what that is - based on the exact original T&C's I signed for and any subsequent T&C's I accepted". Until then the debtor is very kindly giving the creditor £5 (without any proof it's actually due) to go against any remaining debt balance subsequently established and based on the T&C's applying right through the life of the debt - or simply buy a drink with to calm their nerves - very generous of minmoo!

 

BD

 

BD, that is EXACTLY what i mean :-)

Thanks for putting it so much better than i could lol

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Slow down for goodness sake, think about giving them a token payment or writing any more complaint letters for a few days. There is no rush, it will probably be ignored anyway. There is a big HUGE downside to this.

You could easily hand them, the morally bankrupt evil ones, a nice little admission of debt which they may use later, and go for you like they went for bilious and phatram. They have no conscience. A complaint or a token payment will gain you so very little, but could cost you a whole lot. Do not poke the bear, wait for their next move.

My idea about complaining re 35% was a really bad one, I was totally wrong, the stakes are far too high to go off on tangents which you will gain nothing from.

Please think about it for a few days, there is absolutely no rush.

In the same boat T65.

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With regards to todays torture verdict. Have the morally bankrupt conducted torture by telephone to you, how many times did the treat you like shoot when you tried to make a reasonable payment schedule with them. If you have not got a log make up a rough list of your attempts to pay and their refusal to help from memory and state it is from memory for the record. Record all their telephone torture sessions to you for the record. This may be more far more useful later on than some £5 a month token.

Hope this helps T65.

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Hi Tam, to be fair, i changed my number online a good few weeks ago and i havent heard a peep from them. But i know what you mean. We are all in the same boat at the end of the day and my strength will come in time.

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apparently that doesnt stop them, they will torture you via your cousin vinny if you ever phoned them from his line. clear your inbox I tried to PM you,

don't poke the bear T65

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Indeed, i think they are allowed to omit the signature but one has to ask why they would do that if they have the original. Perhaps you could adapt the letter earlier in my thread requesting they admit whether they have it or not.

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That's what the CPUTR 2008 letter does - and scares the Sh*t out of them so much they don't lie - just ignore!

 

However Rankore has another issue in not wanting to have an excellent credit rating trashed before remortgaging - but there's nothing to stop him establishing just how enforecable his agreements are while continuing to pay in full and keep his CRA file clean.

 

I think it's despicable they can use the CRA's to put pressure on us to continue paying debts they couldn't enforce in court. Thank God my rating is so trashed they can't do it any more damage!

 

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Indeed, i think they are allowed to omit the signature but one has to ask why they would do that if they have the original. Perhaps you could adapt the letter earlier in my thread requesting they admit whether they have it or not.

 

MBNA don't look very hard, in fact in my case, not at all! However dlc/Hillesdens managed to get hold of something with a signature on (over 12 months later), unfortunately you can't read it. I asked for a legible one and they sent the same one again!

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