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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
    • Thanks for all the suggestions so far I will amend original WS and send again for review.  While looking at my post at very beginning when I submitted photos of signs around the car park I noticed that it says 5 hours maximum stay while the signage sent by solicitor shows 4 hours maximum stay but mine is related to electric bay abuse not sure if this can be of any use in WS.
    • Not sure what to make of that or what it means for me, I was just about to head to my kip and it's a bit too late for legalise. When is the "expenditure occured"?  When they start spending money to write to me?  Or is this a bad thing (as "harsh" would imply)? When all is said and done, I do not have two beans to rub together, we rent our home and EVERYTHING of value has been purchased by and is in my wife's name and we are not financially linked in any way.  So at least if I can't escape my fate I can at least know that they will get sweet FA from me anyway   edit:  ah.. Sophia Harrison: Time bar decision tough on claimants WWW.SCOTTISHLEGAL.COM Time bar is a very complex area of law in Scotland relating to the period in which a claim for breach of duty can be pursued. The Scottish government...   This explains it like I am 5.  So, a good thing then because creditors clearly know they have suffered a loss the minute I stop paying them, this is why it is "harsh" (for them, not me)? Am I understanding this correctly?  
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Hi guys & gals

 

Reading my local papaer on line (Shropshire Star), came across a story about a woman who went to court in a fight over a CPS parking charge. Her defence of not seeing the signs was thrown out after she was shown on cctv to have walked passed a sign.

 

The bit from the news story that I thought CAG would be interested in (as it undermines the general ignore advice given) was that the district judge stated:

 

"People go on these websites that say if you ignore private parking firms then they will go away and it simply is not the case"

 

Dont think I can post the direct link but if you search 'Shropshire Star' then search 'Parking wrangle' in the news search box, you should find it.

 

What are your thoughts to this statement?

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This pile of nonsense was spoken by Perky and not the DJ. Are we really surprised that he is still coming out with this piffle? The truth is, as his long running obsession shows, that these sites do hit takings. Another cherry picked/set up case where he is so certain of the result that he gets the local papers in beforehand. Who does this idiot think he is fooling? If he was as sure as he tells us that these worthless invlices have any validity he would have taken the "pepipoo challenge" years ago, not ducked it with excuse after excuse. But losing to a decent opponent is not part of the plan for craven Mr P it seems.

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Hi guys & gals

 

Reading my local papaer on line (Shropshire Star), came across a story about a woman who went to court in a fight over a CPS parking charge. Her defence of not seeing the signs was thrown out after she was shown on cctv to have walked passed a sign.

 

The bit from the news story that I thought CAG would be interested in (as it undermines the general ignore advice given) was that the district judge stated:

 

"People go on these websites that say if you ignore private parking firms then they will go away and it simply is not the case"

 

Dont think I can post the direct link but if you search 'Shropshire Star' then search 'Parking wrangle' in the news search box, you should find it.

 

What are your thoughts to this statement?

 

Very interesting article, however, the district judge didn't state the above, it was Perky who was the claimant who would have a very vested interest in pedling this propoganda.

 

TFT

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Sorry guys your right, I initially thought that the district judge made this statement. It is interesting though that it went to court in the first place. I always thought that CPS et all avoids the court process, as they must know that their invoices are unenforcible in law.

Surely the district judge should of seen this & throw the case out

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I like the stance I took

 

Fancied some fun, so told them that as their penalty could not exceed their loss I was very sorry that I had overstayed by the 12 minutes they quoted on the ticket

 

So as the charge was £1.20 an hour, I enlose a cheque for 24p - didnt hear a word after that

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After a few weeks of apparent calm we see our old friend trolling again and low and behold another court setup..sorry....victory for him. I thought as much when this old post thread was resurrected.

 

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/parking-traffic-offences/121160-combined-parking-solutions-3.html

 

He is becoming very repetitive but still seems to shy away from taking the Pepipoo challange. Can't think why? :rolleyes:

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What is the Pepipoo challenge? I have googled it and searched both this forum and the Pepipoo one and not found information, only that people refuse to take it.

The adverts that this forum puts around my username and message are not endorsed by me.

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It is also worth pointing out that it probably didn't do the defendant any good lying to the judge about seeing the signs. Defence appears to be very poor.

 

Btw, you know what they say about blokes buying flash cars to compensate, I wonder if it applies to blokes who perpetually take people to court over bogus parking tickets ;-) Bitter and twisted me thinks lol

 

Best Regards,

 

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... I always thought that CPS et all avoids the court process, as they must know that their invoices are unenforcible in law.

Surely the district judge should of seen this & throw the case out

It would be wrong to assume that, because these invoices are generally unenforcable, that PPCs never "try it on" in court.

 

It would also be wrong to assume that a DJ will automatically throw out a PPC claim - the defendant needs to submit a properly constructed defence, not some lame tosh about not seeing the signs.

 

Many PPCs (Euro, NCP) do avoid court altogether, but our pie-eating friend at CPS likes to cherry-pick weak defences and crow about his success - be warned.

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Serves her right really if she hadn't parked on someone elses land she would never have ended up in the situation in the first place. I know 2 wrongs don't make a right but it was obvious the parking was not for people going for job interviews down the street. Just because the charges are a bit dubious it doesn't give people the right to park anywhere that suits them.

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What is the Pepipoo challenge? I have googled it and searched both this forum and the Pepipoo one and not found information, only that people refuse to take it.

They have publicly challenged Mr Perkins to issue a member of the forum one of his dodgy invoices in a car park of his chosing then follow it up with court procedings.

 

He has yet to take any of them up on it, as he wont win becuase he has no right to claim penalties on land he does not own.

 

Alot of his website has disapeared as he talks alot of bollox.

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Serves her right really if she hadn't parked on someone elses land she would never have ended up in the situation in the first place. I know 2 wrongs don't make a right but it was obvious the parking was not for people going for job interviews down the street. Just because the charges are a bit dubious it doesn't give people the right to park anywhere that suits them.

 

I know what you mean, but I'd say the amount of 'wrong' wasn't equal. Something the law is meant to address in terms of not punishing fellow citizens.

 

One assumes if the sign had said they wanted £10,000 it would have been as enforceable. It would all be on the sign after all.

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They have publicly challenged Mr Perkins to issue a member of the forum one of his dodgy invoices in a car park of his chosing then follow it up with court procedings.

 

He has yet to take any of them up on it, as he wont win becuase he has no right to claim penalties on land he does not own.

 

Alot of his website has disapeared as he talks alot of bollox.

 

I get hits on Google - Google Search I remember looking this up a while ago. turns out its misnamed, perky issued the challenge and someone on pepipoo accepted it. Cue lots of very loud beeping noises as Perky engaged reverse gear. Actions speak louder than words or what ?

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You're right lamma I recall it was a challenge made by Perky that a mod at Pepipoo accepted. He offered to park in one of Combined Parking Solutions car parks and even to have Perky there with camera to film him parking. Despite this brilliant opportunity to silence his critics once and for all Perky shied away. Shame.

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