Jump to content


  • Tweets

  • Posts

    • He was one of four former top executives from Sam Bankman-Fried's firms to plead guilty to charges.View the full article
    • The private submersible industry was shaken after the implosion of the OceanGate Titan sub last year.View the full article
    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
  • Recommended Topics

  • Our picks

    • If you are buying a used car – you need to read this survival guide.
      • 1 reply
    • Hello,

      On 15/1/24 booked appointment with Big Motoring World (BMW) to view a mini on 17/1/24 at 8pm at their Enfield dealership.  

      Car was dirty and test drive was two circuits of roundabout on entry to the showroom.  Was p/x my car and rushed by sales exec and a manager into buying the mini and a 3yr warranty that night, sale all wrapped up by 10pm.  They strongly advised me taking warranty out on car that age (2017) and confirmed it was honoured at over 500 UK registered garages.

      The next day, 18/1/24 noticed amber engine warning light on dashboard , immediately phoned BMW aftercare team to ask for it to be investigated asap at nearest garage to me. After 15 mins on hold was told only their 5 service centres across the UK can deal with car issues with earliest date for inspection in March ! Said I’m not happy with that given what sales team advised or driving car. Told an amber warning light only advisory so to drive with caution and call back when light goes red.

      I’m not happy to do this, drive the car or with the after care experience (a sign of further stresses to come) so want a refund and to return the car asap.

      Please can you advise what I need to do today to get this done. 
       

      Many thanks 
      • 81 replies
    • Housing Association property flooding. https://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/topic/438641-housing-association-property-flooding/&do=findComment&comment=5124299
      • 161 replies
    • We have finally managed to obtain the transcript of this case.

      The judge's reasoning is very useful and will certainly be helpful in any other cases relating to third-party rights where the customer has contracted with the courier company by using a broker.
      This is generally speaking the problem with using PackLink who are domiciled in Spain and very conveniently out of reach of the British justice system.

      Frankly I don't think that is any accident.

      One of the points that the judge made was that the customers contract with the broker specifically refers to the courier – and it is clear that the courier knows that they are acting for a third party. There is no need to name the third party. They just have to be recognisably part of a class of person – such as a sender or a recipient of the parcel.

      Please note that a recent case against UPS failed on exactly the same issue with the judge held that the Contracts (Rights of Third Parties) Act 1999 did not apply.

      We will be getting that transcript very soon. We will look at it and we will understand how the judge made such catastrophic mistakes. It was a very poor judgement.
      We will be recommending that people do include this adverse judgement in their bundle so that when they go to county court the judge will see both sides and see the arguments against this adverse judgement.
      Also, we will be to demonstrate to the judge that we are fair-minded and that we don't mind bringing everything to the attention of the judge even if it is against our own interests.
      This is good ethical practice.

      It would be very nice if the parcel delivery companies – including EVRi – practised this kind of thing as well.

       

      OT APPROVED, 365MC637, FAROOQ, EVRi, 12.07.23 (BRENT) - J v4.pdf
        • Like
  • Recommended Topics

Advent Computer Training (Barclays Partner Finance)Info and discussion thread


style="text-align: center;">  

Thread Locked

because no one has posted on it for the last 3921 days.

If you need to add something to this thread then

 

Please click the "Report " link

 

at the bottom of one of the posts.

 

If you want to post a new story then

Please

Start your own new thread

That way you will attract more attention to your story and get more visitors and more help 

 

Thanks

Recommended Posts

BPF are seriously testing my patience with the conflict of information. Now after over a week waiting to hear any news from them that alternative training would be provided i had to ring up today and say i've not heard a word from you guys. Apparently if your account is closed or in "archive" you have to specifically request a letter to ensure that training will be provided. Last thursday they said a letter will arrive in the post when infact you have to ring to get one sent out!

 

Secondly a BPF staff menber on Tues said they would consider a training provider of my own choice. Today they said you'll have to stick to the one BPF will fob us off with. Why can't they read from the same text book?!?

 

This whole saga is taking me over the brink.

Link to post
Share on other sites

  • Replies 5.3k
  • Created
  • Last Reply

Top Posters In This Topic

Top Posters In This Topic

Posted Images

Hi All!

 

I received my second letter from BPF this morning, just updating me on what is happening. For all those with an BPF agreement here is what the letter said...

 

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Dear Mr Barnes

 

Last week I wrote to advise you that Advent Consulting Ltd have ceased to trade. We are aware that this is very unsettling for you and want to keep you up to date on our progress in sourcing an alternative training provider to help you complete your course.

 

We are currently speaking to a number of training suppliers. The reason this is taking some time is that we need to ensure that the alternative training we arrange is of the same standard as the training provided by Advent. Rest assured we are doing everything we can to appoint a new provider as soon as possible.

 

We will contact you straight away, in writing to confirm details of your new training provider.

In the meantime your finance agreement will continue as normal.

 

We are doing everything we can to resolve this as quickly as possible and thank you for your patience. If however, you have a query on your account, please contact our Customer Services Department on 0844 811 9000.

 

Yours sincerely

 

Wilma Thomson

Customer Relations Manager

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

 

I know it’s probably nothing much but I'm glad Barclays Partner Finance have sent out an update letter.

 

Russ

Edited by rbarnes
Link to post
Share on other sites

Letter just arrived from Barclays

Last Week I wrote to advise you advent Consulting had ceased to trade .We are aware that this is very unsettling for you and want to keep you up yo date on our progres in sourcing an alternative training provider to help you complete your course.

 

We are currently speaking to a nu mber of training suppliers. The reason this is taking some time is that we need to ensure that the alternative training we arrange is of the same standard as the training provided by Advent. Rest assured we are doing everything we can to appoint a new provider as soon as possible.

 

We will contact you straight away in writing to confirm details of your new training provider. In the meantime yor finance agreement will continue as normal

 

I'd have been happier if the sent me a letter saying I don't need to hand over £5000 for something I no longer want to be involved in

We are doing everything we can to resolve this as quickly as possible and thank you for your patience. If however, you have a query on your account please contact our customer services depatment on 0844 811 9000

 

 

No surprises there then Can anyone find a loophole we can crawl through

  • Haha 1
Link to post
Share on other sites

Hi All!

 

I received my second letter from BPF this morning, just updating me on what is happening. For all those with an BPF agreement here is what the letter said...

 

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Dear Mr Barnes

 

Last week I wrote to advise you that Advent Consulting Ltd have ceased to trade. We are aware that this is very unsettling for you and want to keep you up to date on our progress in sourcing an alternative training provider to help you complete your course.

 

We are currently speaking to a number of training suppliers. The reason this is taking some time is that we need to ensure that the alternative training we arrange is of the same standard as the training provided by Advent. Rest assured we are doing everything we can to appoint a new provider as soon as possible.

 

We will contact you straight away, in writing to confirm details of your new training provider.

In the meantime your finance agreement will continue as normal.

 

We are doing everything we can to resolve this as quickly as possible and thank you for your patience. If however, you have a query on your account, please contact our Customer Services Department on 0844 811 9000.

 

Yours sincerely

 

Wilma Thomson

Customer Relations Manager

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

 

I know it’s probably nothing much but I'm glad Barclays Partner Finance have sent out an update letter.

 

Russ

hi all. just spoke to local mp an dhe as well as us is disgusted. he is writing to BPF to try and sort this matter. Look at the first letter you received from BPF(the one with the cooling off period). Read the terms on there about not receiving what you expected from them or other parties. Intresting

Link to post
Share on other sites

just notice back of letter basically if you're not happy contact them if you have a complaint.

they'll try sort it out

 

If your complaint takes longer to investigate we aim to find a solution within 4 weeks. if we are not able to do so we will always write to you explaining what is happening and when we do expect to sort out your complaint.

 

if not satisfied you can take complaint to FOS but must contatct barclay first

before doing that you might make use of the Finance and Leasing Associations conciliation scheme to resolve your complaint BPF and Clydesdale Financial Services is a full member of the Finance and Leasing Association and is bound by the code.

 

I 'm in a rush at the min and on laptop can someone scan back of letter and post

Link to post
Share on other sites

Hi all,

i was out in the town this morning, checked the balance of my account and guess what? Anglo Capitals paid back the last payment which they took off on Monday, but to my opinion this is all they will give me back

Link to post
Share on other sites

Is that your Time of the Essence ( 4 Weeks )

 

Not seen that, thanks for that.

 

However it's also the standard timescale to investigate and resolve any compllaint.

 

We will contact you straight away, in writing to confirm details of your new training provider.

In the meantime your finance agreement will continue as normal.

 

 

So keep paying............please!!!!!

Now doubt they are scrambling to find alternative providers however, these courses have a finite timescale, two years as I recall,(whether they enforced it or not - that's what's in the contract). In my view any significant contraction of that period would constitute a breach.

David

Link to post
Share on other sites

Don't know if there are many in my situation, but i had a "Buy now pay later" agreement with BPF and took out a loan to pay it to avoid getting shafted by the interest after the 12 months (which would've taken the cost from £4,995 to over £10,000). i saved up £2,000 in the BNPL period before getting the loan to cover the rest (cost £4,000 to borrow £3,000 over 32months). I still have £3,200 to pay on the loan and the BNPL period ended at the end of August just passed.

 

I fully expect not to get a refund of the £1,000 interest being paid...but since the account is considered "closed", i'm somewhat unaware of where i stand in all this mess? Am i to follow the same procedures as the majority of you guys? Some advice would be appreciated.

 

Ally

Link to post
Share on other sites

I fully expect not to get a refund of the £1,000 interest being paid...but since the account is considered "closed", i'm somewhat unaware of where i stand in all this mess? Am i to follow the same procedures as the majority of you guys? Some advice would be appreciated.

 

Dosen't matter if your loan is now settled - you took out a debtor-creditor supplier through BPF, who paid the money to Advent.

 

Under Section 75, Consumer Credit Act 1974, they are jointly liable for the contract along with Advent.

 

As Advent are no more - BPF are left holding the baby.

 

David

Link to post
Share on other sites

I still think to me there's been a breach of contract, On the agreement it says......

The Consumer Credit Act 1974 lays down certain requirements for your protection which should have been complied with when this agreement was made. If they were not we cannot enforce this agreement without getting a court order.

The Act also gives you a number of rights:

1)You can settle this agreement at any time by giving notice in writing and paying off the amount you owe under the agreement which may be reduced by a rebate Examples indicating the amount you have to pay appear in the agreement.

2)If you recieved unsatisfactory goods or services paid for under this agreement you may have a right to sue the supplier us or both.

3) If the contract is not fulfilled,perhaps because the supplier has gone out of business, you may be able to sue us.

 

So if BPF is trying to fulfill the contract and therefore honouring it on behalf of Advent Training Ltd. to prevent it from being in breach legally

 

How come we are meant to just go along with this as though we have no say in it.

Them that must be Obeyed?

 

Chemical bomber If you had an agreement with BPF then you're in the same boat (or sinking ship) as a lot of others here just you'll not need to freeze your account as it's closed but what you've paid for either has to continue or be refunded

Edited by Bluedo
Link to post
Share on other sites

I still think to me there's been a breach of contract,

 

Yes there has by Advent.

 

I company that has gone closed cannot fulfil it.

 

As BPF have responsibilty under S75 - they have to fulfil it, or make restitution.

 

David

Link to post
Share on other sites

Hi all,

 

I am 48 years old with 5 children from south of England who has fallen in this sh..hole while trying to conquer IT world by becoming MCP, MCDST, MCSA, MCSE and CCNA but now I am in the mess (or at least for time being) as some of you fellas ? Advent IT sales man and Barclays Partner Finance arranged capital of 5950 pound student loan for me within 2 days (of course 1 day interview and next day loan agreement) which I signed in Oct 09 and paying DD from Nov 09 (3 instalments so far). From their end, all I have got so far are 2 books (Introduction to Comp and IT & CompTIA A+Essentials). I don't even know who my tutor or training adviser is and I forgot about 24 hours support which I believe is that didn't even exist. I spoke to BFP in Glasgow requesting them to refund my money or cancel loan agreement (that will be a best option and appropriate for all of Advent students in my opinion) but they advised me that they are looking for alternative training company in order for us to complete our courses. God knows how long it is going to take Barclays to arrange this. No official letter from neither of them except one email from Advent saying that they can not run any more training.

 

Well, I am a main breadwinner in my family but if something happens like this whan can I do. ''This is a mad world'

Link to post
Share on other sites

I paid most of mine with a credit card(barclays).Sent them a letter stating Section 75 as soon as i got the email off Advent but not heard anything yet.

Does any one know what is happening to us that paid in full?Any one heard of the liquidator yet?

Link to post
Share on other sites

Hi, (same boat) that's that sorted. Now. :!:

 

When I agreed to pay with Advent I had a man come round my house the next day after I had Stuart on the phone (The Persuasive sales man) Yes we have a name STUART.

 

I signed my agreement with Barclays on around this date 15th of December,

They must have known they was pulling the plug then!

 

The chap who came round was tall and overweight in a suit.

 

He kept telling me '' With all due respect.. like 5x times WTF mate get on with what your really trying to say lol..

 

Saying: IT'S NOT A RACE!! OK!!! I was like, yeh sure. lol.. Course it aint :p Jesus Christ.

 

**** is really gunna hit the roof, If I can't get my money back.

Edited by Nail-em-2-The-Wall
Link to post
Share on other sites

I just spoke to Barclays the lady said do not bother writing a letter because you will still be receiving a service so the finance still stands, she also said i have no choice in my training provider. Surely if i signed up with advent and thats who i wanted to do the course with and they are no longer trading then. I should be able to at least get the remainder written off?

Link to post
Share on other sites

I'm doing the MCSE which includes the A+, MCDST and MCSA. I worked out I could have done all 11 exams by buying my own study books and paying for the exams myself for a little over £1,000 which is a fraction of what these companies want. You can buy the manuals at places like Amazon. Just type the exam code into the search box and it will bring up the official microsoft manuals which Advent supplied for £26! Other books such as cram sessions can be bought for £10-£15.

 

I appreciate you dont get the workshop days although I dont feel I learnt anything new in them, was just useful for doing practical stuff on the PC. You can buy instructional videos online too, just search for MCSE study videos.

 

I couldn't agree more. I've been on Amazon, Transcender, etc and why pay another bunch of semi-competents to do what we can do ourselves. True, you miss out on workshops - I haven't lost any sleep over that yet - and Advent-style recruitment services (I had to tell my contact 3 times that I'd moved counties) but everything we need is already out there. We obviously already have the motivation to do distance learning, so what is it exactly that we're lacking?

 

I'd been in touch with MicrosoftUK/OpenIT and JustIT but couldn't bring myself to part with any more cash. I also read on a forum somewhere that the first one is sh**e and just takes your money and forgets about you (where have I experienced that before?). The second one has a much better reputation but is consequently more expensive, although not as much so as Advent R.I.P..

 

I'd like to set up a forum or another thread for those of us who want to carry on studying using our own resources. I'm going for the MCSE and am currently on 70-270 & 70-290 (I already have A+ & MCDST). We could pool our know-how and get the resources we need at the best possible prices. Then there's exam preparation sessions, either on-line or in person. Just throwing it out there, since most of the discussion so far seems (justifiably) to be about money worries, not the next step in getting qualified.

 

Any interest in putting our heads together to move forward?

Link to post
Share on other sites

just spoke to Barclays the lady said do not bother writing a letter because you will still be receiving a service so the finance still stands, she also said i have no choice in my training provider. Surely if i signed up with advent and thats who i wanted to do the course with and they are no longer trading then. I should be able to at least get the remainder written off?

 

Hi and welcome.

 

Errrrrrr.........no, you are not receiving a service.

 

They are clearly under instructions to try and keep the money rolling in

but many have in fact, had their account frozen until such time that 'normal' service is resumed', (if ever).

 

Write to them and insist that they freeze the account in the meantime.

 

David

Link to post
Share on other sites

hello guys,

 

I went to CAB 2day regards this matter. She checked entire paperwork which we got frm barclays n advent. Clearly got the advice that we've to write a letter to them explaining about s75 and asking for refund and do a registered post. Thr is nowhr mentioned that they r going to provide alternate training in these kind of situations. In my view, we shouldn't accept any kind of tactics played by this BPF. keep posting ur options guyz..

  • Haha 1
Link to post
Share on other sites

hi there

I got annoyed today as I still received no letter from BPF :-x, whilst some of you have two already. I started doing MCSE in march 09 and I'm getting ready to take the second MCDST exam. I rung BPF and requested my account to be frozen as I received a remainder message from them abount my next payment (DD) due to be on 11th. The person on the other side was helpful and I hope she froze my account as she promised (we'll see in due course) and Im supposed to get a confirmation letter.

Again she couldn't say anything new about the ways of resolving the problem, timescales etc.

I'm joining in the club :p

Link to post
Share on other sites

style="text-align: center;">  

Thread Locked

because no one has posted on it for the last 3921 days.

If you need to add something to this thread then

 

Please click the "Report " link

 

at the bottom of one of the posts.

 

If you want to post a new story then

Please

Start your own new thread

That way you will attract more attention to your story and get more visitors and more help 

 

Thanks

Guest
This topic is now closed to further replies.
  • Recently Browsing   0 Caggers

    • No registered users viewing this page.

  • Have we helped you ...?


×
×
  • Create New...