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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
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A BIG GLOBAL CLAIMANTS FIRM HAS OFFERED TO REPRESENT EX-ADVENT, ACCESS2TRADE and PROPERTY PROFESSIONALS STUDENTS ON A NO WIN-NO FEE BASIS AGAINST BARCLAYS PARTNER FINANCE.

 

The representative action will cover BPF clients with different circumstances such as those in arrears on their loans and now paying charges, those still paying back loans by direct debit, those fully paid off, AND those who have frozen accounts now but are still part way through their repayments.

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I have also just been sent this email danton, I will try to contact them tommorrow or just wait for them to contact me.

 

Does anyone know if i have lost my £5k, I only got through half of the 1st book (A+ Essentials) as i have been in and out of work since November 2008 when i started the course.

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Hi,

 

I have also received this email. I am worried it may be a [problem] as there is no professionalism to the email, it is very blunt and straight to the point with no contact name/numbers or anything??

 

I would want my money back either way, i have had no support from them, and as like luke100390 i have been in and out of temp roles due to redundancy since Aug 2008 and am only on stage 2 as a result.

 

Will be interesting to see where this goes!

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Hi All,

 

I too have just received the same email from Advent. I paid 6K for the ultimate package and I'm very upset by this announcement.

 

We'll have to wait for a few days to hear what they've got to say. Otherwise the only next step to take is legal action. I'm not even sure if we'll get our money back for a company that's in insolvency!!!

 

Fingers crossed.

 

ps. Keep us posted.

 

Mike.

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Had the same e-mail folks, and checked the website and it's confirmed on there. Been on the MCSE course for just over 2 years now and am absolutely fuming about this! £5k and god knows how many hours of my time down the toilet by the looks of it! :mad::mad:

 

I've got a feeling there are many, many more people out there in the same boat. NOT GOOD!

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Well.. i cannot believe this, this company as messed me up proper, i gave 4 months of not going to there courses studying there book, been with them for 2 yrs.. nerly did my compati a+ and they now are going bankrupt, leaving me with a 6k of debt(1000pound interest)

 

Called up my Career Development loan, they told me, they sent it to the debt collectors and it's nothing to do with them no more.. and i'd need to call up the debt collectors as they have been looknig for me since april 2009 which the interest is going sky high, as i was on a downer and said the course was too hard so they automatic stopped the whole course pending for payment and made me pay in april 2009.

 

Which has gave me a extra 1000 ontop of my Debt!

 

What a lovely day this has been! I feel i've been pure messed over!

 

Called up Debt Advisors, i'm screwed big time, im going in partner ship with my mate in IT which is going to go down the toliet over this.. going to bring us down hard. I learned nothing from that course AT ALL!

 

I dont get why we should have to pay for something which has ended, they said i have as much time as i need to do it in my own pace!

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Hey all,

 

I have just found out that Advent is going bust, im really scared now as I got Finance through them with Barclays to pay for the course, with Advent going under, I guess im still liable for the money even though they didnt deliver all the training.

 

Does anyone have any advice on how to handle things, im going to contact the bank first thing tomorrow and explain to them what has happened and see if they can help out, but i think that might be fruitless..

 

Any advise would be appreciated

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Hi All

 

I have had this message too, not really sure what to do really, i looked at the hierarchy of payouts, doesn't look too good for us clients, we are bottom of the food chain, for all those who paid by credit car you should be ok, check the link out posted by oldbuscuit.

 

Thanks Nic

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Hi Guys

 

I have just signed up to this forum to let you know that I have been to Kidderminster yesterday and today for the A+ workshop and at 5 o'clock when we left today there was absolutely no signs from any of the tutors or anyone there that anything was wrong.

 

I suppose they were probably told at the same time as we were about the situation but they must have known something about the problem.

 

I was gutted to return home to find this email and until I checked the website, i was convinced it was a [problem].

 

I will do the same as you guys tomorrow and ring to find out the situation.

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Hi

 

I am going to ring Citizens advice see what they say, but if you look at the documentation that was initially issued with the very first little reading material in the folder, it does state that "this document is provided as it, without warranty of any kind...." the way i read that it is not liable for anything

 

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hi guys,

 

i got the email earlier today too, so gutted considering all the endless hours i've put into this. I tried to grab hold of my agent who sold the course to me and i've learned he's moved to another office in Manchester, (failed to get hold of him) he guaranteed my money would be safe when i questioned him about how the company was ran, the recession etc.

 

I've already paid the fees back in auguest (6K) and now i feel totally robbed, surly they must of known this was coming? Lets see what they have to say tomorrow. Keep us posted guys.

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I will wait for a few days for Advent to give their account of the situation before I start seeking legal action. Meanwhile, I'm just searching on the Internet for free legal advice and more info.

 

Situations when companies go insolvency is always a tough call.

 

Hang in there STOPMYBEAT. We're all in the same boat. This is my second time that I've made a poor choice. First it was with ICESAVE (lucky I was compensated) and now this??? Unnecessary stress.

 

Please keep us posted.

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Hi all,

 

Yep in the same boat and I have felt totally let down by the company since day 1. I did not ever feel as though the training material was worth the money I paid let alone getting nothing from the best part of £5k. A relative paid this off for me to pay them back so going to seek advice to see what can be done. To be honest it doesn't look promising. As and when the administrators do contact us there looks like there will be very little money left. Keep hassling them for a reply so we can at least know where we stand then take it from there.

 

Everyone please keep up to date with what you find

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hi all im in the same boat, was waiting to sit my other exam for the a+ was wondering why they wouldnt give it to me, would of cost the more money, i cant believe this, i have nothing to show for 5k plus interest!!!

funny how we do this so we can get better jobs and have more moeny and the complete other side has happened rubbish job and more debt!!! amazing !!

i tried ringing and no answer on any number, how can a company chargin this much money for each person happen???

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