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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
    • Thanks for all the suggestions so far I will amend original WS and send again for review.  While looking at my post at very beginning when I submitted photos of signs around the car park I noticed that it says 5 hours maximum stay while the signage sent by solicitor shows 4 hours maximum stay but mine is related to electric bay abuse not sure if this can be of any use in WS.
    • Not sure what to make of that or what it means for me, I was just about to head to my kip and it's a bit too late for legalise. When is the "expenditure occured"?  When they start spending money to write to me?  Or is this a bad thing (as "harsh" would imply)? When all is said and done, I do not have two beans to rub together, we rent our home and EVERYTHING of value has been purchased by and is in my wife's name and we are not financially linked in any way.  So at least if I can't escape my fate I can at least know that they will get sweet FA from me anyway   edit:  ah.. Sophia Harrison: Time bar decision tough on claimants WWW.SCOTTISHLEGAL.COM Time bar is a very complex area of law in Scotland relating to the period in which a claim for breach of duty can be pursued. The Scottish government...   This explains it like I am 5.  So, a good thing then because creditors clearly know they have suffered a loss the minute I stop paying them, this is why it is "harsh" (for them, not me)? Am I understanding this correctly?  
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Hi, I'm new to the site so please bear with me. My ex-partner has been suffering with insomina, depression, anxiety, anger manangement problems and social phobia, he is unable to concentrate on simple day to day things nevermind look for and learn a new job!

His doctor and counseller both agree that he is definately unfit to work not to mention the five times we have been to A&E due to these problems. He has been for the "medical" and he scored a big fat 0. It seems to us that this so called medical examiner did not listen to a single word from his patient. And has made his judgement based on phyiscal ability. He has been back to his doctor who has said he is still not fit for work however he has had to sign him off with his hands instead of his depression as he will not qualify for ESA otherwise. (his hands are injured due to self harming, i.e; punching walls).

Due to this decision he has obviously gone worse and I am terrified he is going to do something to harm himself, i know mental illness does not have physical symtoms that can be seen but surely his GP's and counseller's opinion is proof enough!?

Please can someone offer me some advice??:Cry:

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Has his ESA been stopped entirely, or has he been placed in the "work" group? How long since the decision?

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Does he have a copy of the medical report?

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Right. It sounds to me from what you have written that he has had the LCW assessment. If this is the case, having scored 0 points, he will no longer be entitled to ESA. All is not lost though because there is the option of appealing.

 

He needs to complete this form to appeal the decision, stating why he thinks the decision is wrong. What he should do is point out all the inconsistencies in the medical report, stating what he feels the answers should have been in relation to the questions asked. It would also help his appeal greatly if he has a letter of support from his GP and cousellor. Once the appeal is submitted, he can start to get payment of ESA again at the assessment rate. This will continue until his appeal is heard, so long as he continues to send in his sick certificates from the GP.

 

He will really benefit from some support with this. There are people who are known as Welfare Rights officers. He can find one through his local council. They are free of charge, specialised in benefits and can represent him and assist him in his appeal. They may be able (most can) to accompany him to the appeal hearing - he will be offered a paper appeal or an oral appeal. Oral appeals in general have a higher success rate.

 

In ESA/IB/DLA appeals, almost half are overturned in the claimants favour at appeal stage.

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Brilliant advice Erika.

 

Send the appeal and get ESA reinstated (assessment rate).

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As stated in another thread you do not have to submit an appeal to get ESA re-instated - You should contact your Benefit delivery Centre by phone who will re-instate. You then have 14 days to get your appeal submitted and keep providing medical evidence

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As stated in another thread you do not have to submit an appeal to get ESA re-instated - You should contact your Benefit delivery Centre by phone who will re-instate. You then have 14 days to get your appeal submitted and keep providing medical evidence

 

Can you provide a link to support this? I've had a look but can't find any official confirmation on this.

 

The reason I ask is that people tend to have nothing but trouble with ESA appeals. Comes with the territory of a relatively new benefit. One of the worst was last year when some offices were not automatically applying reg 6 following an appeal submission, stating that a claimant had to request reg 6 be applied in writing before reinstating payments. Now that has stopped thankfully.

 

It would make a huge difference to people who are having difficulty getting a reinstatement to have something official to actually quote when phoning to request a reinstatement pending the submission of an appeal.

 

Thanks in advance.

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Hi all, I'm roxi's ex (lovely girl) and she pointed me to this threads.

Ok this is where I'm at, I received a letter yesterday saying I scored 0, with it was the score sheet, you know the one, I rang the ESA and told them that i will be appealing, I asked for the FULL medical report, told them that I found it odd that I was sent to see a medical doctor when I have mental health issues. I'm going to see welfare rights tomorrow, my councellor is doing a letter for me and so is my doctor. I intend to make an issue of the so called assesment, he didn't ask me any questions about my state of mind apart from when I first went in and he most certainly didn't make any notes, he gave me a full medical exam though, he was more bothered to see if I could touch my toes or hold my arms out straight, I do have very slight asthima and he checked out my lungs, I showed him my discharge papers from december when I was admitted for self harming (punching walls), and they also stated that I have anger management problems, I told him that I have no memory of self harming I just lose control and when I gain control the damage is done.

My doctor has signed me of for, stress, depression, anxiety, and insomnia, I also told him how bad the insomnia is, my record is ten nights straight without any sleep, I get an average of 5 to 10 hours sleep per week, I'm prescribed antidepersants which have a side effect of making me sleepy, thats why the doctor gives them to me, to help me sleep. I also get a very limited amount of sleeping tablets, their limited so I don't get addicted to them. I told him that I hadn't sleeped for the preceeding 4 nights at the time of the medical, I told him I couldn't handle meeting new people and I have panick attacks quite often, I allways feel as if the whole world is about to come down on my head. I was hit by a car at some traffick lights several months ago because I was half asleep at the time, no real damage to me or the car, All the time I was telling him this he didn't take a single note! He took a very quick look at my hands which were badly bruised and swollen, I told him that they'd been x-rayed 5 time in the preceeding 5 weeks, he spent more time checking my asthima out than he did my hands even though I told him that it only bothers me maybe 3 or 4 times a years.

Sorry probably to much info, I'll update when I here more and I'll be having a good read of the forums so I'll not be asking to many dumb question that have been answered else where. thanks:)

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just a quick update, been to see welfare rights, I just said atos to him and he gave me everything I need, very helpful. He told me that appeals are taking 8 months at the moment but mine is more likely to be 12 months because of the number of peopkle having to appeal! Shocking.

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the amount of people appealing

 

does that not say some thing

 

wake up dwp and do the job properly and dump this atos

 

Maybe it says that there are too many people making fake claims because they can't be bothered to get off their arses and look for work. Unfortuanately genuine claimants are being tarred with the same brush. It's amazing how suddenly people develop depression and/or back pain when they are suddenly being asked to go on to JSA instead of IS because of lone parent obligations or because they have been asked to attend a new deal course. If you want to point blame society is far more at fault

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Bit of a sweeping statement there Nick! From what I can gather, the vast majority of the ill, the walking wounded and the dead [more than likely!] fail the ATOS assessment. This is due - in my view - with how it is designed, thereby forcing many many thousands of appeals.

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Rae I agree with you but what Nick is saying also has a valid point. There are many out there who would never like to work and this affects those who have genuine problems.

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Nick does carry a very valid point. One of the foundations of ESA was to weed out the "Won't work" from the "can't work", with more rigourous regulations and assessments. It is sadly very unfortunate that caught up in the crossfire are genuine claimants with genuine illnesses. I've seen some desperately heartwrenching cases and supported in appeal but I have also seen some obvious [problematic] (some don't even try to hide the fact that they are trying it on, and are immensely proud of themselves) and needless to say, they are shown the door. I won't help [problem] artists as they are the reason genuine people have to endure the procedures, and are the reason that genuinely ill people are labelled in society.

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Adam and Erika, as ever, you bring sound reason to the boards! I do agree with the points you make and apols to Nick if I allowed my personal prejudice to misinterpret what he was getting at.

Nobody likes people trying it on. I just get so frustrated that a system meant to help does nothing but hinder.

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Good points made by all, so to clear my name ;). My doctor was trying to sign me off since may but I wouldn't let him, so I continued with JSA and was actively seeking work, I was going to college to better my self, I felt that it would help me if I faced up to my problems and not let them drag me down, and I thought I was winning until something very very nasty happened last october, so I did let my doctor sign me off in the hope I wouldn't be on the sick for long, but things like this just make everything get worse, I do have self image problems along with other issues, but whats happeneing to hundreds of people out there getting 0 points just make it all the more likely people like me will get worse as a direct result of these so called medical, if I'd got say 10 or 14 points it might not have hit me so hard, but to score 0 just made me wonder if I was just giving in to easily.

Thanks God for this site (and others) without it I would have just gone onto JSA, though god knows how I'd have coped on that.

Nick I do know that your comment wasn't aimed at me:) and is making a very valid point

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HI was just wondering if you could claim some DLA? and have you been on incapacity benefit in the past because i think that you can reclaim it if you were recieving it before a certain cut off point (before ESA was introduced) Unfortunately people suffering with mental health issues often get a rough deal, and all i can say is keep fighting hun.

wish you luck

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A person performing a medical for DWP benefit purposes will be a doctor, nurse or midwife, and registered with the GMC or NMC and approved.

 

For occupational health purposes, not involving assessment for DWP benefits they must be a Healthcare Professional such as an Occupational Therapist but need not be registered.

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