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    • I've had to hide two of your posts.  Anyone clicking on your links gets sent to external sites.  On top of that your real name is showing on one screenshot.  Fellow Site Team member dx100uk has already politely asked - Anyway, jk2054 wants to see the communication you got from your local court which will have told you about the hearing date of 17 June, and will have mentioned a deadline for filing your Witness Statement.
    • I believe it is helpful to seek guidance from a range of places and decide on the validity of the sources and frequency of responses which are most helpful. A single voice can be a dangerous thing. As, of course, can groupthink. Scott, it feels like £4k on a solicitor for a £1.5k bill is overkill. Were we back in time I'd suggest small claims court as your claim sounds like it may be straightforward? By all means add that phrase on. I also suggest you contact the court and go and sit in on a couple of similar cases to get a better understanding before you shell out.
    • a card should be 16 digits...urm... note your dates above please. do not miss them no matter what happens  ......................... pop up on the bulk court website detailed on the claimform. [if it is not working return after the w/end or the next day if week time] . When you select ‘Register’, you will be taken to a screen titled ‘Sign in using Government Gateway’. Choose ‘Create sign in details’ to register for the first time. You will be asked to provide your name, email address, set a password and a memorable recovery word. You will be emailed your Government Gateway 12-digit User ID. You should make a note of your memorable word, or password as these are not included in the email.  then log in to the bulk court Website .  select respond to a claim and select the start AOS box. .  then using the details required from the claimform . defend all leave jurisdiction unticked  you DO NOT file a defence at this time [BUT you MUST file a defence regardless by day 33 ] click thru to the end confirm and exit the website .. get a CCA Request running to the claimant . https://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/topic/332502-cca-request-consumer-credit-act-1974-updated-january-2015/ .. Leave the £1 PO unsigned and uncrossed . get a CPR  31:14  request running to the solicitors [if one is not listed send to the claimant] ... https://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/topic/332546-legal-cpr-3114-request-request-for-information-when-a-claim-has-been-issued/ . .use our other CPR letter if the claim is for an OD or Telecom Debt or Util debt]  https://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/topic/332546-legal-cpr-3114-request-request-for-information-when-a-claim-has-been-issued/ on BOTH type your name ONLY Do Not sign anything .do not ever use or give an email . you DO NOT await the return of ANY paperwork  you MUST file a defence regardless by day 33 from the date on the claimform [1 in the count] ..............  
    • Which Court have you received the claim from ? Northamton, civil national business centre Name of the Claimant ? PRA Group Uk Portfolios ltd. How many defendant's  joint or self ? self Date of issue –  21 May 24 date of AOS - 07-06-2024 date for filing defence by - 21-06-2024 Particulars of Claim 1. The claimant claims the sum of £5600 for an outstanding debt owed. 2. On Mar 2000 the Defendant entered into an agreement with Barclays Bank Uk PLC for a credit card under reference ( 11 digit ref ). 3. on Mar 21 the defendant defaulted on the agreement  with an outstanding balance of £5600. 4. On Aug 21 the debt £5600 was assigned to PRA Group (UK) Limited, who itself assigned the debt to PRA Group UK Portfolios Ltd on Dec 23. 5. Notices of assignment were sent to the defendant in accordance with S136 Law of Property act 1925. 6. The claimant has instructed PRA Group (UK) Limited to act on its behalf in the recovery of the outstanding debt and to pursue litigation on its behalf. AND THE CLAIMANT CLAIMS 1. The sum of £5600 What is the total value of the claim? £6100  Have you received prior notice of a claim being issued pursuant to paragraph 3 of the PAPDC (Pre Action Protocol) ? No - just emails threatening action   Have you changed your address since the time at which the debt referred to in the claim was allegedly incurred? Yes   Did you inform the claimant of your change of address? no Is the claim for - a Bank Account (Overdraft) or credit card or loan or catalogue or mobile phone account? credit card   When did you enter into the original agreement before or after April 2007 ? before - in 2000   Do you recall how you entered into the agreement...On line /In branch/By post ? I don't recall - I suspect post / online   Is the debt showing on your credit reference files (Experian/Equifax /Etc...) ? am awaiting access - but I suspect it is    Has the claim been issued by the original creditor or was the account assigned and it is the Debt purchaser who has issued the claim. assigned - debt purchaser has issued the claim   Were you aware the account had been assigned – did you receive a Notice of Assignment? Pretty certain - Yes   Did you receive a Default Notice from the original creditor? pretty certain - Yes   Have you been receiving statutory notices headed “Notice of Sums in Arrears”  or " Notice of Arrears "– at least once a year ? there's been gaps - they went very quiet  Why did you cease payments? Covid lockdowns  What was the date of your last payment? i thought it was 2020 - they say 2021 Was there a dispute with the original creditor that remains unresolved? no Did you communicate any financial problems to the original creditor and make any attempt to enter into a debt management plan? no
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hi,my house is going to be repossed 0n the 30th of this month,there will be enough money to cover the mortage company but not enough to cover a secured loan,i know that a mortage shortfall can be chased for 12 years,the question is does the secured loan become an unsecured loan after the house as been repossed and can the shortfall be chased for 12yrs or is it like any other debt and becomes statue barred after 6 yrs.thanks

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Hi again Tiger, I remember your case from last year - what's happened in between then and now?

 

Is this the 1st plus secured loan ? how much was it for?

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hi ellen,work picked up but its got to be above 3 degrees so i,ve not worked since 14th of dec last year,so i had plenty of time on my hands to think things over and decided to throw the towel in because i would be paying 1st plus £1200 per month for the secured loan and my mortage company £600 per month on a house thats only worth £110000 and interest rates are at the lowest the,ve ever been and all 1st plus do is put there rates up so i,am paying 12% at the moment,so when the bank of england do start upping the interest rates i dread to think what 1st plus will do,also I do earn good money when i,am working but for the past 3 years i,ve been paying it all out to keep the house,so we,ve gone without holidays and days out and its not fair on the kids,so i,am going to rent a place for £550 and where going to start living again.

 

yes it is a 1st plus loan and it was for £75000

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You're doing the right thing Tiger, quality of life, especially when you have kids is very important:)

 

Unfortunately, 1st plus will chase you for the shortfall :(

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When the property has been sold the shortfall debt will no longer be secured and as such can be incorporated in a bankruptcy.

 

Dependant on your other circumstances (do you have substantial assets which you might be forced to sell?, do you have large disposable income? do you have other creditors? would your employment be affected? etc) it may be worth considering bankruptcy as your credit rating will be adversely affected by the repossession anyway. It would take away the worry of having the shortfall debt hanging over you for a potential 12 years.

 

The time limit for collection of debts resulting from contracts formed by a deed (most loans secured on property fall into this category) is 12 years rather than the 6 under other contracts. The council of mortgage lenders have a code which says they will not start collection after 6 years if no attempt has been made to contact the borrower in the first 6 years after repo. However, they include attempts to contact rather than confirmed contact or acknowledgement so if they write to you, even if you do not respond they will still cite this in order to use the full 12 year limitation period.

 

Hope this helps :)

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