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wether or not we think they are allowed to file default with CRA's I am confident they will....

 

here is a post I have just posted on another thread that I think we should all bear in mind and try and collectively do something about....I am going to try and put on as many posts as possible until we can organise a collective front page stand....

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/debt-collection-industry/222663-cras-ocs-credit-ref.html

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ask the credit reference agencies when you gave them permission to own share and sell your data..... As more and more people win cases against creditors more defaults will be registered . It is the CRA's that need to be challenged .... By which law are they allowed to even exist and why do we have to pay 3 of them to get our own data from them..... Data Protection Act 1998, they claim. By which misguided piece of legislation where they conceived.... this should be front page CAG as I believe this is even bigger than BANK Charges... why dont we come up with some kind of mass class action against CRA's funded by CAG donations to set some precedents.... if the best we get is a reduction from 6 to 3 years then I think it is a battle worth fighting even 3 years 3 years will probably come in soon, to be in harmony with Europe. is too much though as I believe this should be a centralised database with very strict criteria for entering information.... not paying a twenty pound mobile bill stopping you get a life changing mortgage of say 3.75% is totallu unacceptable ....... what do you think caggers?????

 

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ask the credit reference agencies when you gave them permission to own share and sell your data..... As more and more people win cases against creditors more defaults will be registered . It is the CRA's that need to be challenged .... By which law are they allowed to even exist and why do we have to pay 3 of them to get our own data from them..... By which misguided piece of legislation where they conceived.... this should be front page CAG as I believe this is even bigger than BANK Charges... why dont we come up with some kind of mass class action against CRA's funded by CAG donations to set some precedents.... if the best we get is a reduction from 6 to 3 years then I think it is a battle worth fighting even 3 years is too much though as I believe this should be a centralised database with very strict criteria for entering information.... not paying a twenty pound mobile bill stopping you get a life changing mortgage of say 3.75% is totallu unacceptable ....... what do you think caggers?????

 

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there are a lot of "bees" on this forum and a lot of "bonnets" to put them in

 

if we all start raiding other threads to canvass support not connected with the thread it will cause chaos (IMO)

 

 

i think you should start a new thread and not post this on every thread you can find- by doing so you may achieve the opposite of what you intend

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Hope you have kept the envelope.

 

I assume that if you received it today, having been posted 15th, then it must have been 2nd class or ukmail.

 

Giving 17days to rectify is not inline with the regulations. The notice should state, you have to pay £xxx by date xxxxxx. However in court the judge would normally accept this, unless you can prove that it was sent second class, allowing less than 14 clear days to rectify, which is what you must do. The other mistakes then just add to the case.

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So they are telling you that the debt is unenforcable and they cannot recover through the courts:)

 

They then go on to threaten you with recording the defaults on your credit file.

 

Remind them that the ICO is not a legislative body and that in order to share your data, rather than hold your data, they need your signed permission. Ask them to kindly provide a copy of that signed permission, reminding them of the consequences of sharing data without your signed consent. ( Besmirching your good name etc ) The compensation can be high if they want to take that risk.

 

Hello

 

I've been looking through this post with some interest and this caught my eye, as I broached this particular subject a while back and was told that whilst the DCA did not have the CCA, they can still register a default.

 

I have no CCA's from three DCA's and had been content to let the defaults sit on my credit file for six years as opposed to paying unenforceable debts.

 

Is writting to them with the quoted content advisable?

 

Did RBS come back wit a response to this?

 

cheers

RC

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Yes captain,

 

Fill in the blanks and send this letter.

 

Dear xxxxxxxxxx,

Re account no xxxxxxxxxxxxx Unlawful Rescission.

I refer to your Default Notice dated xxxxxxxxx, received by me on xxxxxxxxxx and your subsequent letter dated xxxxxxxxxterminating the agreement dated xxxxxxxxxxxx, received xxxxxxxxx, in which you confirm that you had in fact terminated the above agreement. I would add that these actions were taken by you, while the account was in serious dispute, owing to your failure to respond to my request under s78 of the CCA 1974.

 

The default notice failed to give me the required statutory time in which to seek legal advice and/or remedy any alleged defect. Your actions resulted in insufficient time for me to even obtain an appointment with a solicitor let alone remedy the alleged default. These actions by you, have resulted in you unlawfully rescinding the alleged agreement.

 

I accept your unlawful rescission of the agreement and I note that you are now entitled to claim those arrears genuinely due at the time of the termination (not including any unlawful charges ) and I would be obliged if you would advise me of the exact amount of those arrears, against which will be a claim for unlawful rescission

 

Yours sincerely

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Triton are a right shower ;)

 

They are on the next desk to RBS work experience children (sorry staff), as Vint stated. Got three letters from them some time ago, they soon went away with tail between legs!

 

After Triton it will be inhouse Greens Solicitors (reg as part of Nat West), they on the other side of work experience kids and finally it will go to Wescot. They will send back to RBS as soon as you tell them acc in dispute.

 

RBS are poor communicators and their letters give diff info each time even though most are meant to be templates (they usually add a specific to you).

Advice & opinions given by spartathisis are personal, are not endorsed by Consumer Action Group, and are offered informally, without prejudice & without liability. Your decisions and actions are your own, and should you be in any doubt, you are advised to seek the opinion of a qualified professional.:)

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Vint i received this letter from Triton the other day following your latest advice and the letter i sent. Interesting don't you think?

Just wait for their response. Always head future letters: Agreement No xxxxxxxxxxxxx - Unlawfully Rescinded.

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Vint the latest action by RBS is to place a default on my credit rating report. Based on the fact that they are refusing to provide me with the info i requested and the number of letter i have sent stating "unlawfully rescinded" are they allowed to place this default and is there anything i can do about it

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