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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
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Hi

regarding Bryan Carter Solicitors,

I had an outstanding debt after being made redundant in 2006.

It was for a car loan with Cooperative Bank for £3.000 and I only had £640.00 left to pay.

This went through county court who ordered I pay £210.00 through a bailiff ,this only has £30.00 remaining to pay this month.

Suddenly yesterday I got a letter from Bryan Carter saying they wanted me to pay the remaining £430.00 or they will be instructing bailiffs and taking back to court!!

Surely you can not go to court twice for the same debt? Or that's what I would have thought.

Out of panic I did call their office and a snooty woman informed me that they only took me to court last time for part of the debt.

I asked for a copy of the previous court referal letter as I never saw the original as it went to my old address.

She advised they would not have copies after all these years.

Can anyone advise me on this as I don't understand and a bit confused.

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Shame you didn't record the call - it's proof that they are FULLY AWARE they are deliberately splitting claims and are threatening you with further court action - which is illegal in this case. I feel Carter's house coming crashing down soon - I think we need to do a 'sting' with a Cagger they're chasing, record the call and get the sound file off the the OFT, TS and the SRA. Are you up for that chez63?

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Hi have posted this previously regarding Bryan Carter Solicitors and apologise for interrupting someone else's thread..did not know at the time.

So have posted again as below.

Hi regarding Bryan Carter Solicitors, I had an outstanding debt after being made redundant in 2006.

It was for a car loan with Cooperative Bank for £3.000 and I only had £640.00 left to pay.

This went through county court who ordered I pay £210.00 through a bailiff ,this only has £30.00 remaining to pay this month.

Suddenly yesterday I got a letter from Bryan Carter saying they wanted me to pay the remaining £430.00 or they will be instructing bailiffs and taking back to court!!

Surely you can not go to court twice for the same debt? Or that's what I would have thought.

Out of panic I did call their office and a snooty woman informed me that they only took me to court last time for part of the debt.

I asked for a copy of the previous court referal letter as I never saw the original as it went to my old address.

She advised they would not have copies after all these years.

Can anyone advise me on this as I don't understand and a bit confused.

Well two day's on from reading other peoples experiences and your brilliant advice.

Yet again all day Bryan Carter Solicitors have tried to contact me on my mobile whilst at work.

Unfortunately I can not answer their calls whilst working and was really annoyed by this, cos I wanted to tell them to get lost!!

Waited all night too for a call and it never happened...shucks....maybe tomorrow I can do it?

What really annoys me is the fact that they are using my number without permission and I did not confirm this with them, plus their stupid texts have kept arriving all day!!

Can someone please tell me who I need to report them to as I can not wait would like to see them done over once and for all...Please advise and I will be n the case as soon as possible..

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Bryan Carter is famous for attempting to split claims, he knows very well that it is in contravention of the County Courts Act, but works on the assumption that people don't know their rights. He operates via Northampton Bulk Court where there is no hearing, therefore he gets judgment by default without anyone intervening:mad:

 

Report him to the Solicitors Regulatory Authority - they will have already had plenty of complaints about him doing this.

 

Once you have paid the original judgment ask the court to send you a certificate of satisfaction - there is a fee for this but I can't remember how much it is, if you ring the court they will tell you. Once you have the certificate it will serve as proof that you have paid the court order in full. Should Carter issue a claim for the rest of the debt you would then put in a defence that the claim has been satisfied. The claim would then be transferred from Northampton to your local court and Carter would immediately withdraw the claim as he would realise he has been rumbled!

 

One day Carter will get what's coming to him and I hope I get to see it:mad:

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Chez, I'm going to move your thread to the Debt Forum where it will get more visibility.

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Solicitors Regulation Authority - Solicitors' Code of Conduct 2007

 

Make a complaint to the above about this excuse for a human being, he needs to be culled and put out of his misery.:mad:

Who ever heard of someone getting a job at the Jobcentre? The unemployed are sent there as penance for their sins, not to help them find work!

 

 

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i suggest that you include in your letter to the SRA that you are aware that this person has been engaging in this illegal activity for some time and that you believe he has previously been warned about it and that you expect the SRA to do something about it and not fob you off by pretending that they are unaware of his activities

 

the more pressure put on the SRA the better -

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That's an interesting point diddy - has Bryan Carter EVER won a judgment without cheating? If he has, I can't find it on CAG!

 

 

If someone had then they wouldn't be on CAG anyway...

I really do appreciate all those 'thank you' emails - I'm glad I've been able to help. Apologies if I haven't acknowledged all of them.

You can also ding my gong if you prefer. :)

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