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As you predicted LRC Ltd sent there 1st letter today.

 

It reads

 

Upon entering the car park you agreed to be bound bt the T&C taht were placed at the entrance of the car park, and in prominent places within.

Unless payment is received direct to our office by 11am on Mon 1st Feb we shall have no alternative but to commence court procedings against you, to include a claim for costs and interest, without further notice.

 

The first thing that tickled me is the company name Legal recoveries & collection Ltd. LEGAL there having a laugh

 

2nd agreed to the T&C. I never agreed to anything. Have I signed something???

 

3rd court proceedings without further notice. so the next letter will be from the court not LRC. So i should hear no more from them. I think not!!!!

 

Still sitting tight against the wishes of the wife.

 

But the letter is on thicker paper and this one has a letter head

 

Will keep all posted.

 

Thanks everyone for your posts

 

Matt

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and I don't know who signed your letter from LRC , but mine was hand signed by someone apparently called "Legal Recoveries and Collections"

 

Do think think their friends (or lacking that, strangers in the street) call them Leggy? Or possible Andy?

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and I don't know who signed your letter from LRC , but mine was hand signed by someone apparently called "Legal Recoveries and Collections"

 

Do think think their friends (or lacking that, strangers in the street) call them Leggy? Or possible Andy?

 

 

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Got another one from LRC today. same as the last one except for now it says unless i pay within 7 days they MAY choose to issue a ccj

The last letter i got says they will start court proceedings without further notice, So why are they still writing to me.:confused:

Signed at the bottom by 'legal recoveries & collection limited' No name again?????????

 

Will keep you posted....:)

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Got another one from LRC today. same as the last one except for now it says unless i pay within 7 days they MAY choose to issue a ccj

 

I'd love to know which courts these PPCs use to "issue a CCJ" simply because they "MAY choose to do so"! I have been to county court today as a claimant and was successful in getting a judgement in my favour, but it's taken me 7 months to get to this stage. Wish I'd taken the PPC route and just issued a CCJ against the defendant when I chose to do so last June. :p

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I'd love to know which courts these PPCs use to "issue a CCJ" simply because they "MAY choose to do so"! I have been to county court today as a claimant and was successful in getting a judgement in my favour, but it's taken me 7 months to get to this stage. Wish I'd taken the PPC route and just issued a CCJ against the defendant when I chose to do so last June. :p

Crem is your alter ego 'Perky'? you seem to share the same success.:D

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Hardly. My claim was valid! :D

You mean it wasn't a "precedent setting", put up job dreamed up on planet perky?:D

 

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Hi all.

My FINAL DEMAND has arrived(10/02/10)

Same old stuff

If i dont pay within 7 days they MAY choose to issue a CCJ.

But now it says they may make an application to my employer for an attachment of earnings or a officer of the court may be instructed to seize my assets..

Getting a bit boring now.

Thanks for all the comments and advice.

As always will keep you posted

Matt

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My wife keeps saying just pay it but im standing firm on this one and taking all your advise

 

I had the same trouble and also funny looks of doubt from my mother!!!

 

I think the wife believes me know to trust the advise on here and we now laugh at the letters but they seem to have stopped from NCP!

 

Boooooo! wanted more paper to shred and laugh at! Telling all my taxi customers.

 

ADMINS: Can I print out some lables/cards to give to people using the CAG emblem at the top of the page???????

 

Andy

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Hi All.

Thought i would give you an update.

Well since my last post i have had

NO letters

NO ccj's

NO phone calls

NO applications to seize my assets

NO application to my employer

NO..... I think you get the point now

I will let you know if i hear anymore

And if I dont I might just go and park there again LOL

:D:D:D:D:D:D

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Of course they can 'apply for a CCJ': the BPA code of practice says so. ;)

 

(Using the 'small claims court service' whatever that is.)

Post by me are intended as a discussion of the issues involved, as these are of general interest to me and others on the forum. Although it is hoped such discussion will be of use to readers, before exposing yourself to risk of loss you should not rely on any principles discussed without confirming the situation with a qualified person.

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