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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
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      This is generally speaking the problem with using PackLink who are domiciled in Spain and very conveniently out of reach of the British justice system.

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There you go I prove my own point ha ha!!!

 

How do you change the name of the link to say "HERE"????

 

Type HERE and above where bold italic etc is, is a world with a chain link on it open the page u want cut the address highlight the HERE click the world with the chain and paste in the address and bobs ya auntie x

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This is from the 2004 amendments to the 1983 regulations :)

It's kinda like the finer detail part of the 1974 Act to do with agreements ;)

 

1983

http://www.johnpughschambers.co.uk/Consumer_Credit_%28Agreements%29_Regs_1983.pdf

 

amended by 2004

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more missed posts grr what the chuff is going on with my internet!!! will have a read later ;) thanks hun

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:-D aint it good how easy I can make friends lol!! :p

Sorry for the delay in reading your lba, my new friend has been taking up far too much of my time :rolleyes:

I'm on it :)

 

 

I dont have any new friends although I do appear to have alot of missed posts from nearly a wk ago :eek: I dont understand!!!!

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Yet another call from collections......

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They are getting abit annoying now do you think a telephone harrassment reminder might be of use.....

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YAY!!!! I did it!! You're the best, thanks mate :lol:

 

 

Easy when ya know how hun ;) Happy linking LOL x

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Annoying?? Welcome?? Surely not! :p Yep agree, send it!! :)

 

Ok maybe not annoying.....more infuriating!! :mad:

Ill send you an email tonight for a proof read :)

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Very apt ;)

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Did you like my link? :-D

 

 

Sure do ;)

You got mail did it now instead of later as the contents has shortened somewhat to what I first thought just wouldnt be fair to give them more ammo to shoot themselves with ;)

 

Still had nothing from court or the defendant......will be 2 wks for submitting JBD on Thursday

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Ring the court and find out WTF is going on, you know what they're like with losing paperwork!!

 

 

im not allowed anymore :rolleyes: data protection and all that jazz will have to wait until Friday and then either he ring or we go in there, seem to get more sense in person!

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BUT DON'T MENTION ANYTHING ABOUT THEIR DEFENCE!!!!

 

 

What defence :confused: :confused: :confused:;)

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have a look it might help

 

 

The use of the words "without prejudice" on correspondence or in a meeting where there is a "dispute" over a finance agreement can potentially lull the parties into a false sense of security. It may be assumed that whatever is said, or admitted to, in that correspondence or meeting cannot be brought to the court's attention should the dispute progress that far. Wrong!

The public policy behind the "without prejudice" rule is to encourage parties to settle their differences rather than litigate them to trial. The rule enables parties to negotiate freely while, at the same time, being in a position to continue to fight the case without fear (subject to specific exceptions) that any statements or offers made during the course of negotiations to settle will prejudice them by being placed before the court later as evidence of admissions of liability.

However, using the words "without prejudice" will not automatically render a communication privileged. Equally, the absence of those words will not mean that the communication fails to attract the privilege. It is the substance of the communication that is all important.

Critically, there must be an underlying dispute between the parties which they are attempting to settle for the rule to apply in the first place. This was again confirmed in the case of Midgley v Oakland Glass Ltd, where Midgley sought to exclude from evidence certain letters written by the parties' solicitors. That correspondence made reference to a discount being sought from the judgment debt obtained, an assignment of the judgment debt once payment had been made in full and a request for an interest calculation on the indebtedness so the exact amount outstanding could be ascertained and settlement proposals put forward. Midgley claimed the correspondence was "without prejudice" as it referred to negotiations between the parties to settle a dispute.

The court held that none of the references in the letters amounted to a dispute over the sum involved but were more akin to an acknowledgement or admission of the sum or were neutral in relation to it. The "without prejudice" rule has no application to communications designed to discuss the repayment of an admitted liability rather than to negotiate and compromise a disputed liability.

There must be negotiations genuinely aimed at settlement of a real dispute or at an attempt to compromise actual or impending litigation. At the time the letters were written, there was no dispute as to the judgment sum.

Asking for a discount was not disputing that sum but merely seeking a concession. The letters were not "without prejudice" and could be referred to the court.

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The "without prejudice" rule is fundamental in enabling parties to hold open discussions in an attempt to settle disputes without the fear of offers made subsequently being used as evidence of admissions. Without an underlying dispute however, the rule will not apply. Requests for time to pay an admitted amount and how payment should be made will not covered by the rule and the use of the "without prejudice" label will not prevent subsequent production.

 

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The use of the words "without prejudice" on correspondence or in a meeting where there is a "dispute" over a finance agreement can potentially lull the parties into a false sense of security. It may be assumed that whatever is said, or admitted to, in that correspondence or meeting cannot be brought to the court's attention should the dispute progress that far. Wrong!

The public policy behind the "without prejudice" rule is to encourage parties to settle their differences rather than litigate them to trial. The rule enables parties to negotiate freely while, at the same time, being in a position to continue to fight the case without fear (subject to specific exceptions) that any statements or offers made during the course of negotiations to settle will prejudice them by being placed before the court later as evidence of admissions of liability.

However, using the words "without prejudice" will not automatically render a communication privileged. Equally, the absence of those words will not mean that the communication fails to attract the privilege. It is the substance of the communication that is all important.

Critically, there must be an underlying dispute between the parties which they are attempting to settle for the rule to apply in the first place. This was again confirmed in the case of Midgley v Oakland Glass Ltd, where Midgley sought to exclude from evidence certain letters written by the parties' solicitors. That correspondence made reference to a discount being sought from the judgment debt obtained, an assignment of the judgment debt once payment had been made in full and a request for an interest calculation on the indebtedness so the exact amount outstanding could be ascertained and settlement proposals put forward. Midgley claimed the correspondence was "without prejudice" as it referred to negotiations between the parties to settle a dispute.

The court held that none of the references in the letters amounted to a dispute over the sum involved but were more akin to an acknowledgement or admission of the sum or were neutral in relation to it. The "without prejudice" rule has no application to communications designed to discuss the repayment of an admitted liability rather than to negotiate and compromise a disputed liability.

There must be negotiations genuinely aimed at settlement of a real dispute or at an attempt to compromise actual or impending litigation. At the time the letters were written, there was no dispute as to the judgment sum.

Asking for a discount was not disputing that sum but merely seeking a concession. The letters were not "without prejudice" and could be referred to the court.

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The "without prejudice" rule is fundamental in enabling parties to hold open discussions in an attempt to settle disputes without the fear of offers made subsequently being used as evidence of admissions. Without an underlying dispute however, the rule will not apply. Requests for time to pay an admitted amount and how payment should be made will not covered by the rule and the use of the "without prejudice" label will not prevent subsequent production.

 

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Thank you :) They are obviously using the one 'without prejudice' document themselves anyway and they require strict proof of the other which gives me 'permission' to use it :)

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Thank you :) They are obviously using the one 'without prejudice' document themselves anyway and they require strict proof of the other which gives me 'permission' to use it :)

 

Mmmm it appears to be going all "pete tongue":D

 

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Mmmm it appears to be going all "pete tongue":D

 

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certainly something to be said for that ;) i think they thought it was a typo and id put 1st instead of 2nd :lol:

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Mmmm the good old fashioned typo excuse:rolleyes:

 

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I may have made one mistake but I dont intend on making anymore ;)

 

Recorded letter sent to local collections today politely reminding them of the no phone calls request in nov 09 which until they got hold of the account has been adhered to and requesting all calls cease ;)

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