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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
    • Thanks for all the suggestions so far I will amend original WS and send again for review.  While looking at my post at very beginning when I submitted photos of signs around the car park I noticed that it says 5 hours maximum stay while the signage sent by solicitor shows 4 hours maximum stay but mine is related to electric bay abuse not sure if this can be of any use in WS.
    • Not sure what to make of that or what it means for me, I was just about to head to my kip and it's a bit too late for legalise. When is the "expenditure occured"?  When they start spending money to write to me?  Or is this a bad thing (as "harsh" would imply)? When all is said and done, I do not have two beans to rub together, we rent our home and EVERYTHING of value has been purchased by and is in my wife's name and we are not financially linked in any way.  So at least if I can't escape my fate I can at least know that they will get sweet FA from me anyway   edit:  ah.. Sophia Harrison: Time bar decision tough on claimants WWW.SCOTTISHLEGAL.COM Time bar is a very complex area of law in Scotland relating to the period in which a claim for breach of duty can be pursued. The Scottish government...   This explains it like I am 5.  So, a good thing then because creditors clearly know they have suffered a loss the minute I stop paying them, this is why it is "harsh" (for them, not me)? Am I understanding this correctly?  
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Hi All,

 

I'm new to this so forgive me if i've missed the answer somewhere:

 

I also have a fine for overstaying from Highview and the advice to ignore all letters seems clear. However I wondered if any of you have actually done this and know for sure that they will go away? (i'm very nervous!)

 

I am pretty sure they are running a [problem] as I was re-directed to their carpark from the entrance to a cinema carpark by a guy in a highvis vest. Given that most films end up over 2 hours they must be making a killing!

 

Thanks!!

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Hi redlil24, start your own thread on this and you will get the same advice as me and countless others!! THis link will take you to the opening page, half way down there is a tab that says new thread. Parking / Traffic Offences - The Consumer Forums

If you look at this thread, http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/parking-traffic-offences/231732-parking-charge-notice-advice-3.html, Markyrp is three weeks ahead of me.

The advice, though scarey appears to hold tight until they go away.:eek:

Just for your own reference, I would make notes about being re-directed etc just for your own protection.

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I've just copied this from Markryp's thread as it is the same letter!

' I received a letter this morning from a firm called Debt Recovery Plus Ltd. They claim that there client (TPS Parking Solutions Ltd) has now instructed them to recover the monies, now standing at £148.75.

 

The letter goes on to inform me that it is essential that I settle the account without delay or contact the offices to discuss proposals for payment.

 

The letter then confuses me a bit in that it states "As a member of the British Parking Association, (BPA) and its Approved Operators Scheme (AOS) we adhere to its code of practice. Therefore we now invite you to declare whether or not you were the driver........."

 

My confusion is how or why a debt recovery firm would be a member of such organisations.

 

The threat continues about failure to make full payment or make contact will result being passed to the litigation team and legal recovery action may commence.

It then goes on to quote typical case referrals to County Courts, and if successful enforcement options include:

AN ATTACHMENT OF EARNINGS ORDER

COUNTY COURT BAILIFFS BEING INSTRUCTED

YOUR ITEMS BEING SOLD AT PUBLIC AUCTION TO PAY THE JUDGEMENT.

 

Another goes on about requests for statutory interest, court costs and legal fees significantly increasing the amount outstanding and the knock on effect of CCJ's lasting 6 years and severely affecting ability to obtain credit.

 

The parting shot is an invitation to view a selection of CCJ's that they successfullyobtained against pepople who have ignored their correspondence on their website.'

 

I know what is coming now, but it doesn't make it any easier, especially when I wasn't the driver and the driver is not happy with my actions!!!!

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Oh my goodness thank you so much for replying. This is just too scary, i am saving to buy a house one day and really can't have a CCJ... eeek!

You are NOT going to get a ccj, you are falling for the [problem]. The letters are designed to provoke the very action you have displayed. Stop panicking it is all BLUFF.

Just ignore the clowns.

#regards

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2 letters a few weeks apart.

1st Another letter arrived today.

 

This one begins, Further to our "Notice of Intended Litigation" letter.

 

A brief drone about referral of my case to their client with proposal of issuing county courtlink3.gif proceedings against me follows.

 

The list of possible costs as per last letter is detailed made up of current balance (£148.75) and Solicitors/Court fees giving total (£253.75).

 

This time however, they have been good enough to offer me an olive branch. The offer of a one off reduced payment of £119.00, provided that I settle within 7 days.

 

2nd Parking Collection Services Ltd have purchased debt.They will collect and pursue debt to a legal conclusion if necessary.

Willing to accept discount settlement figure of £99.99 to avoid the necessity of legal action.

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Have lost the original link but previous poster mentioned a same phone number but it's more than that as both DEBT REVOVERY PLUS and PARKING COLLECTION SERVICES LTD share the same registered address at

5 Grange Park Road

CHEADLE

SK8 1HG

(See KIPTOWER 18.2.10)

As they say walls have ears, so not too many details suffice to say 2 worrying letters sent from DEBT RECOVERY PLUS so now awaiting the next missive to say the debt has now been bought by yet another 'organisation'.

Just how many more can I expect? I'm really beginning to feel harrassed and almost want to pay them to stop the letters!

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I'm really beginning to feel harrassed and almost want to pay them to stop the letters!

If you have so much money to give away so freely, is there not a charity more worthy of your excess funds?

regards

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Only joking. I wouldn't give these 'people' the time of day.

3rd letter 'Further to the notice of inteneded....' will now accept one off payment of £116. Having followed various streams of messges, the next communication should be from a 2nd agency who have 'bought the debt' and they will offer me yet another opportunity to pay a further reduced amount. However this 2nd agency has the same registered address as Debt Recovery Plus so do they use the shed at the bottom of the garden - no silly me just different paper in the same printer in the 'front bedroom'.

Having 'Googled' the the registered address, it is a not insubstantial residence so I don't really think they need any donations from me!

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As predicted it arrived yesterday 31.3.10 - Parking Collection Services Ltd - who have 'purchased the debt' and are willing to accept £99.99 ( almost a round number!) in full and final settlement. The green headed notepaper made a nice change from the red. This brings the chain of letters to 7 ( lucky/unlucky for some ) and hopefully, according to other forums, the end but there is the possibility they may try to ring as the very kind DVLA also provide the phone numbers of Registered Keepers ( which I think is really going too far! ).

Any suggestions of a sure fire way of them never ringing after the first attempt.

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Being rather abusive down the phone would make them think twice about calling again.

 

Other tactics include putting them on hold and going to do the gardening, or referring them to the answer given in the case of Arkell v. Pressdram.

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Hi Cymruambyth/Letsplay,

 

I am in the similar situation as you guys were last year. I have just received the second letter with penality from Highview Parking. Can I know whats the status with you both? Did you guys pay at the end? Please advice as it can save some hard earned money and let these loosers keep sending mails.

 

Looking forward to the update.

 

Sac

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Hi, 2 years later and, touching wood, nothing since March 2010. I have to say I do tell as many people as possible about these robbers and try to put their minds at rest. I had hoped that legislation would have put a stop to this 'highway robbery'. Always remember a fine should to be commensurate with the inconvenience caused and 9times oput of 10 there is no inconvenience!Just stand firm and don't reply to their 'rainbow' of letters!

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Thanks worried44. You are right.

 

I changed my address a year back and they are still sending the letter to the old address. I don't know from where they took it - may be from my club card because DVLA does have my new address. I just took my letter from old address so thought of asking your help.

 

Sac

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Hi SacI didn't pay a penny : but I did keep the letters just to have a laugh when I'm feeling down. As has been said before by other posters do not contact any of them; do not even return any letters GONE AWAY that way they may think you are still 'fair game'! Always note that the letters say MAY or COULD; this is a 'legal ' get out but do have an intimidating effect. Save your time and money : open a bottle of something sparkling and celebrate their incompetence!44( not worried any more! )

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Hi all

 

I received a fine for parking at the wembley retail park, I emailed them as I didnt check online.

I said that I stayed 2 hours and 1 min which is reasonable time to shop and eat. They mailed back saying that if I could provide evidence they would consider it. I dont keep receipts!!! All I have is a back statement saying Mcdonalds wembley park. and the date is 3days later as thats how they take it out. What should I do now?

I am just worried if I ignore it will effect my credit rating.

 

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