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    • Few tweaks as the run order was completely messed up and the main point of your defence (reconstituted agreement) pushed to the bottom of the statement.   I, XXXXXX, being the Defendant in this case will state as follows; I make this Witness Statement in support of my defence in this claim and further to my set aside application dated 1 November 2022. 1.The claimants witness statement confirms that it mostly relies on hearsay evidence as confirmed by the drafts in person in the opening paragraph. It is my understanding they must serve notice to any hearsay evidence pursuant to CPR 33.2(1)(B) (notice of intention to rely on hearsay evidence) and Section 2 (1) (A) of the Civil Evidence Act. 2.  I understand that the claimant is an Assignee, a buyer of defunct or bad debts, which are bought on mass portfolios at a much reduced cost to the amount claimed and which the original creditors have already wrote off as a capital loss and claimed against taxable income as confirmed in the claimants witness statement exhibit by way of the Deed of Assignment. 3. As an assignee or creditor as defined in section 189 of the CCA this applies to this new requirement on assignment of rights.  This means that when an assignee purchases debts (or otherwise acquires rights under a credit agreement) it also acquires certain obligations to the borrower including the duty to comply with CCA requirements (such as the rules on statements and notices and other post-contractual information).  The assignee becomes the creditor under the agreement. This ensures that essential consumer protections under the CCA cannot be circumvented by assigning the debt to a third party. 4.  I became aware of original Judgement following a routine credit check on or around 14th September 2020. 5. The alleged letter of claim dated 7 January 2020 was served to a previous address which I moved out of in 2018, no effort was made to ascertain my correct address.  I have attached a copy of my tenancy agreement which is marked ‘Appendix 1’ and shows I was residing at a difference address as of 11 December 2018 and was therefore not at the service address at the time the proceedings were served.  I have also attached an email from my solicitors to the Claimants solicitors dated 14 July 2022 which was sent to them requesting that they disclose the trace of evidence they utilised prior to issuing the proceedings against me.  This is marked ‘Appendix 2’. The claimants solicitors did not provide me with these documents. 6. Under The Pre-Action Protocol for Debt Claims 2017 a Debt Buyer must undertake all reasonable enquiries to ensure the correct address of a debtor, this can be as simple as a credit file search. The Claimant failed to carry out such basic checks. Subsequently all letters prior to and including ,The Pre action Protocol letter of claim dated 7 January 2020 and the claim form dated 14th February 2020 were all served to a previous address which I moved out of in 2018. 7. Upon the discovery of the Judgement debt, I made immediate contact with the Court and the Claimant Solicitors, putting them on notice that I was making investigations in relation to the Judgement debt as it was not familiar to me.  I asked them to provide me with a copy of the original loan agreement but this was not provided to me.   The correspondence to the Claimant Solicitor's is attached and marked ‘Appendix 3’ 8. On (insert date) I successfully made application to set a side the judgment. The claim proceeded to allocation, 9. The claimant failed to comply with the additional directions ordered by District Judge Davis on the 2 February 2024 'The Claim shall be automatically struck out at 4pm on 3 April 2024 unless the Claimant delivers to the Court and to the Defendant the following documents.' None of these documents were received by the court nor the defendant by that date. (insert date you did receive the documents) I then sent a Data Subject Access Request to Barclays but no agreement was provided. Details the timeline of communication between myself and Barclays are attached and marked ‘Appendix 4’and the copies of correspondence between myself and Barclays are attached and marked ‘Appendix 5’. Remove irrelevant 10.The claimant relies upon and has exhibited a reconstituted version of the alleged agreement. It is again denied that I have ever entered into an agreement with Barclaycard on or around 2000.  It is admitted that I did hold other credit agreements with other creditors and as such should this be a debt that was assigned to Barclaycard from another brand therefore the reconstituted agreement disclosed is invalid being pre April 2007 and not legally enforceable pursuant to HHJ Judge Waksman in Carey v HSBC 2009 EWHC3417.  Details of this are attached and marked ‘Appendix 6’. The original credit agreement must be provided along with any reconstituted version on a modified credit agreement and must contain the names and address of debtor and creditor, agreement number and cancelation clause. 11. Therefore the claimant is put to strict proof to disclose a true executed legible agreement on which its claim relies upon and not mislead the court. 12. It is denied I have ever received a default Notice pursuant to sec 87(1) CCA1974.The claimant is put to strict proof to evidence from the original creditors internal document software the trigger of said notice.  13.   As per CPR 1.4(2)(a) the court encourages parties to cooperate with each other in the conduct of proceedings in order to try and save time and costs for the parties and to also save the time and resources of the court however, despite vast attempts at mediation the claimants have been most unreasonable and have remained unwilling to mediate. 14. Until such time the claimant can comply and disclose a true executed copy of the original assigned agreement they refer to within the particulars of this claim they are not entitled while the default continues, to enforce the agreement pursuant to section 78.6 (a) of the Credit Consumer Act 1974. I believe that the facts stated in this Witness Statement are true.  I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth. Signed                 ………………………………………………….. Name                  XXXX Date                     30 April 2024   Run 3 copies Court /Claimants Sol/File
    • As one of you mentioned above I've been in a mess for nearly 20 years now and I'm ready to sort my credit report out now - the main reason I got into second round of debt is my kids being unwell and the state considering them not unwell enough for extra help so despite my son being in hospital for 3 months in one year we got extra zero help and I eventually lost my job and got into debt to just so I can be تا my sons hospital bed at his time of need - my life basically fell apart and all these debts got me again 
    • Gosh mate I've woke up this morning with half the worry I had last night when going to sleep!.  I can't believe how much this forum has helped me over the years and I don't  have the words to explain the gratitude I feel towards you guys -  Now that I've slept on it I feel ready to reject this company and my plan is to make them an offer to accept payments to date as full and final settlement - I will I think write them a letter once my review is completed or maybe just send it now whilst they are reviewing explaining my kids are unwell for which reason I'm struggling to survive and if I can politely request for them to accept payment to date as a full and final - I'll mention I don't have any cash or anyone to borrow from to offer a full or even part amount of the remaining balance of the iva and therfore am unable to make a offer of payment.   If they agree to at least even put my offer to the creditors then I feel it's better I hang in there and that way I won't have to deal with any possibilities of more defaults and ccjs    Right now the only adverse effects on my credit report are the iva that is now 3 years old and 2 Ccj one coming of this July and one thus October.    But I am worried new action will begin and new defaults and Ccj may start to appear because I've paying into an agreement im under the impression the 6 year rules starts again so yes I have lost of mixed feelings about this but I'm not going to lie you guys have put some life back into my breath this week as for the last 3 years I've felt caged like an animal and this morning I feel freer I can't explain how much but certainly my soul feel lighter today thanks to yin because I'm now viewing this review totally different to I do yesterday thanks to you guys 
    • Court name UNKNOWN Case number ********** Amount N/A Confirmed by Insolvency Service Date issued May 2021 Type Voluntary Arrangement Notes If you have questions about voluntary arrangements you should speak to the Insolvency Service.     I started this in 2021. So it's been about 3 years I've been paying. 
    • Thanks @lookinforinfo@Nicky Boyi sent across the agreement earlier in this thread. No mention of financial reward to the MA. But, I wouldn't be surprised if it was done on the sly. As I said earlier, the owner of OPS is a convicted criminal, with a very shady reputation around these parts.
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Good Evening Dougal, I think you will find it is I that has the tiny brain :)

 

I am not thinking very straight at the mo, so apologies for seeming so very stupid, I promise I am not always like this (I think :rolleyes:)

 

You have been a great help - thanks

 

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OK Part 2 lol

 

Received more documentation from them today...! my files must be enormous at GE! anyway I have some printouts from them, now these are going to take me a while to go through them. I thought that when i took out the secured loan that we hadn't taken PPI, but it looks like it was and is added to the loan...to the princely sum on over 5700 :eek: so i am also paying interest on this. I really can't remember asking for this as I more often than not stipulate that I get paid for being off sick and therefore i dont see the need. How do i know if i agreed to this? Also, The loan term is 156 months, but the insurance expires on 23.1.12??? erm doesnt sound right to me?

 

Any suggestions as to what i am looking for with this would be greatly appreciated.

 

Deli x

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Has anyone looked at the above and can help at all?

 

Also, had 2 calls from them today over the same account, now he has just told me that the letters that they are sending out today carry a £25 charge per person on the account! So me and hubby, £50 for them to tell me i am in arrears that i know about and have an arrangement in place for? also they tell me that i am on verge of litigation where they will send our files to their solicitors? what the?

They actually broke an arrangement a couple of months back not me! When i complained they phoned me and asked would i accept £50 compensation that I have to date not received. These are pure muppets! grrrrrrrrrrrrrr

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Hi there,

 

Can anyone advise me?

I am a bit confused after the recent rulings etc.

 

I wrote to my mortgage company on 23rd November asking for my charges back. Gave them the 14 days but I have had no reply at all.

 

Am I now sending a letter before action? Can this still go ahead?

 

Any help would be appreciated.

 

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I was about to update this.

 

Got a letter from them enclosing a copy of a letter they said they sent to me back in December but i never received.

 

They have just said that they deem their charges to be fair basically, so i need some advice as to where i stand now and what is my next move. Can anyone help?

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I was about to update this.

 

Got a letter from them enclosing a copy of a letter they said they sent to me back in December but i never received.

 

They have just said that they deem their charges to be fair basically, so i need some advice as to where i stand now and what is my next move. Can anyone help?

 

Good morning

 

I suggest that you write to them quoting the punishment given to GMAC buy the FSA - it works wonders...! If you Google GMAC it may surprise you...!!

 

I suggest also that you say something along the lines of ...'I am concious of the ruling in the recent decision made by the FSA against GMAC, and in the light of this would like to open a dialogue with you concerning the charges applied to my account.'...

 

Then I suggest the closing line should be...'in the event that you feel unable to respond in a positive vein, I reserve the right to refer this matter together with details of other claimants in an identical position to the FSA without further notice.'....

 

Finally....' I look forward to hearing from you within 28 days of the date of this letter.,'

 

Send by 1st class recorded delivery, (or if you feel a bit flush..Next day Special delivery..!!), sit back and wait....

 

I can guarantee that you will hear from their solicitors that bunch of wa*kers 'Eversheds'. Be very wary of them, they are a very crafty bunch - but they are easily overcome!!

 

Best wishes to all as usual

 

Dougal

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I know I was slow on the uptake here, but have sent a letter to GE money asking them to look at the charges again and quoting the gmac stuff.

Have had a letter back to say that they are looking into my complaint and endeavour to get a reply to me by 25th June!

 

Will wait and see but not hopeful that they will pay up, my luck just isnt in at the moment.

 

Will keep you posted

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Hi, Delicarik,

 

I can't understand why you have not yet escalated your complaint to the courts to reclaim your charges.

 

From what you say, your claim will be at least £1200, with additional interest, maybe as much as £2000? This will cost you less than £100 to claim back at the courts, (it will take a few hours to research and write the Particulars of Claim),you will receive the money back and they will have wasted £100s on having to pay a solicitor to defend.

 

Otherwise, I can't see them past fobbing you off for another 8 months, then another . . .

 

BAE :-)

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I think you are right there, and this must be the route I now take as they have written to me and said the following:

 

They said they sent me a response on 12th December and that they never received a response (I always respond so baffled by this)

 

They have reviewed the account and can see it has been in arrears and that the charges applied to the account when arrears reach a certain level and reflect the general cost to them of maintaining a dedicated department for accounts in arrears. The cost is a result of contacting us by telephone, setting up arrangements, monitoring my account for payment and sending out letters.

 

The £40 admin fee is applied every month my account is in arrears.

TFor each direct debit missed, various(!) costs are incurred. I incurred costs when they tried to repossess my house and the solicitor sent invoices for the work carried out (I haven't asked for these fees back - should I?)

 

They then assure me that all their fees are applied within the terms and conditions of my mortgage!

 

They also know that their answer isn't what I was hoping for but they are confident that I will understand why they are unable to refund the charges.

 

 

Advice please? Should I proceed to court?

 

Thanks

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They have reviewed the account and can see it has been in arrears and that the charges applied to the account when arrears reach a certain level and reflect the general cost to them of maintaining a dedicated department for accounts in arrears. The cost is a result of contacting us by telephone, setting up arrangements, monitoring my account for payment and sending out letters.

 

 

Hi,

 

If they are so confident about their charges, why will they not allow them to be assessed in court? The above response simply adds weight to your claim as it is such a nonsensical argument.

 

When it gets to court you can ask for a court order for them to produce detailed accounts of how they calculate the £40 charge etc - and they will provide nothing.

 

Because they lied.

 

And you will win.

 

BAE :)

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HI, delcarik,

 

You can make a claim online, through the Moneyclaim website, or apply directly to the court nearest you.

 

My preference would be to go direct through a court as there is a word limit to your Particulars of Claim with Moneyclaim.

 

http://redirectingat.com/?id=3236X604245&xs=1&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hmcourts-service.gov.uk%2Fcourtfinder%2Fforms%2Fn1_0102.pdf&sref=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.consumeractiongroup.co.uk%2Findex.php%3Foption%3Dcom_content%26task%3Dview%26id%3D138%26Itemid%3D82

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Firstly, you get a N1 claim form from the HMCS.gov.uk website or direct form your nearest county court.

 

The claim form is fairly simple. It will ask you for standard details about the amount you're claiming, the name and address of the defendant etc.

 

The only hard part is the Particulars of Claim, which your claim rests on, and needs to include details of the Acts you're relying on etc.

 

Once the form's done, make 2 further photocopies, including the PoC, and take them down to your county court. They will tell you the cost of making the claim, which is dependent on how much you're claiming.

 

Pay the cash. Get a receipt. Sit back and wait . . .

 

If you do decide to go for it, there may be others on here who will post ideas for your PoC.

 

I will post the PoC that were successful for me if you wish, and I would also suggest you scan the site for further ideas, particularly with regard to GE and recent developments.

 

Finally, be careful of posting too much information on here as GE may be one of the companies known to trawl the site and try to use posts against their 'valued' customers. PM (private message) a moderator if you're not sure whether to post something which may be sensitive.

 

Good luck!

 

BAE :)

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