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If you are unable or unwilling to return the goods to us then we shall collect the goods and we'll charge you in accordance with clause 10.3 9.1.2 We will be entitled to immediate payment from you for all payments and all other sums do under this agreement at the date of termination 9.1.3 We will sell the goods or public sale at the earliest opportunity once the goods are in a reasonable condition which includes a return of the items listed in clause 7.1.4 9.1.4 We will be entitled to immediate payment from you of the rest of the Total Amount Payable under this agreement less: ( a) A rebate for early settlement ias required by law which will be calculated and notified to you at the time of payment (b) The proceeds of sale of the goods (if any) after deduction of all costs associated with finding you and/or the goods, recovery, refurbishment and repair. Insurance, storage, sale, agents fees, cherished plate removal, replacement keys, costs associated with obtaining service history for the goods and in relation to obtaining a duplicate V5 registration certificate 4, The following are particulars required by Civil Procedure Rules. Rule 7.9 as set out in 7.1 and 7.2 of the associated Practice Direction entitled Hire Purchase Claims:- a)     The agreement is dated 25 August 2022. And is between Moneybarn No1 Limited  and xxxxxxxxx under agreement  number xxxxxx. b)    The claimant was one of the original parties to the agreement. c)    The agreement is regulated under the Consumer Credit Act 1974. d)    The goods claimed Ford Ranger 3.2 TDCi ( 200 PS) 4x4 Wildtrack Double Cab Pickup 3200 cc (Sep2015} Registration No ^^^^^^^ Chassis number ***************** e)     The total price of the goods £19570 f)     The paid up sum £1206 5 g)    The unpaid balance of the total price £7505 (to include charges) h)    A default notice was sent to the defendant on 20th February 2024 by First class post i)      The date when the right to demand delivery of the goods accrued 14 March 2024 j)      The amount if any claimed as an alternative to delivery of the goods 7505 22 include charges 5.  At the date of service of the notice the instalments were £562.89 in arrears. 6. By reason of the Termination of the Agreement by the notice, defendant became liable to pay the sum of £7502 7. The date of maturity the agreement is 24th August 2027. 8. Further or alternative by reasons of  the Defendant breaches of the agreement by failing to pay the said instalments, the Defendant evinced an intention no longer to be bound by the Agreement and repudiated it by the said Notice the claimant accepted that repudiation 9. By reason of such repudiation the claimant has suffered loss and damage. Total amount payable £19570 Less sum paid or in arrears by the date of repudiation £12064 97 Balance £7505 (to include charges.) ( The claimant will give credit if necessary for the value of the vehicle if recovered.)  The claimant therefore claims 1.    An order for delivery up of the vehicle 2.    The MoneyClaim to be adjourned generally with liberty to restore,  Upon restoration of the MoneyClaim following return or loss of the vehicle. the Claimant will ensure the pre action protocol for debt claims is followed. 3.    Pursuant to s 90 (1)  of the Consumer Credit Act 1974. An order that the Claimant and/or its agents may enter any premises in which the vehicle is situated in order to recover the vehicle should it not be returned by the Defendant 4.    further or alternatively damages 5.    costs Statement of truth The Claimant believes that the facts stated in these Particulars of Claim are true. The Claimant understands that the proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes or causes to be made a false statement in the document for verified by statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth. I am duly Authorised by the Claimant to sign these Particulars of Claim signed Dated 17th of April 2024  What is the total value of the claim? 7502   Have you received prior notice of a claim being issued pursuant to paragraph 3 of the PAPDC (Pre Action Protocol) ? No   Never heard of this   Have you changed your address since the time at which the debt referred to in the claim was allegedly incurred? No   Did you inform the claimant of your change of address? n/a Is the claim for - a Bank Account (Overdraft) or credit card or loan or catalogue or mobile phone account? No   When did you enter into the original agreement before or after April 2007 ? After  Do you recall how you entered into the agreement...On line /In branch/By post ? In a garage  Is the debt showing on your credit reference files (Experian/Equifax /Etc...) ? Yes  Has the claim been issued by the original creditor or was the account assigned and it is the Debt purchaser who has issued the claim. Original Were you aware the account had been assigned – did you receive a Notice of Assignment? n/a   Did you receive a Default Notice from the original creditor? They said sent but nor received   Have you been receiving statutory notices headed “Notice of Sums in Arrears”  or " Notice of Arrears "– at least once a year ? None seen   Why did you cease payments? Still Paying,   What was the date of your last payment? Yesterday  31st May 2024   Was there a dispute with the original creditor that remains unresolved? No   Did you communicate any financial problems to the original creditor and make any attempt to enter into a debt management plan? Yes on 12 Feb 2024   What you need to do now.   Can't scan, will do via another means as you cant have jpg  
    • Now that is an interesting article which adds afew perspective that I hadn't thought significant - but on reflection of the perspectives offered ... Now Starmer is no Blair, however 'blairite he may be perceived, but the Tories aren't tories and aren't even remotely liberal   The fast 'unannounced and unexpected election call from sunack may well be explained by the opinion linked that he hoped reform would be unprepared and effectively call a chunk of Farages largely empty bluster - making him look even more of a prat, leave scope for attacks on shabby reform candidates and mimimise core vote losses to reform - while throwing the 'middle ground' (relative) tories TO THE DOGS - and with the added bonus of likely pacifying his missu' desire to jogg off to sunny cal tout suite somewhat   thumb in the air - I expect about 140ish tory seats, but can hope for under a hundred Reform - got to admit the outside possibility of 1, maybe 2 seats with about 8% of the vote - but unlikely. I think projections of over 10% of the vote for reform is nudged and paid for speculation - but possible with the expected massive drives from Russian, Chinese and far right social media bot and troll prods targeting the gullible.
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Hi can anyone help? I received my first private parking fine last week. I had gone to a retail park to buy my son's birthday present, obtained a free 90 minute parking ticket from the machine and displayed on my dash board. It was a hot day and I had forgotten to close my passenger window when I left my car and inevitably the ticket had blown on to the floor. I received a £100 parking ticket (reduced to £70 if paid within a certain time). I was very upset by this, and immediately appealed providing a copy of my ticket showing time obtained 13.04, a copy of my Argos receipt showing my purchase at 13.09 (time obviously was needed to collect item) and a copy of their fine given at 13.11. Unfortunately, I did this before I found your website and of course my appeal was denied. Their (Valley Enforcement Ltd) letter stated:

 

"Parking at this site is only for vehicles that are parked in accordance with the instructions, as detailed on signage on site. This signage is clear, in excess of industry standards and clearly details any charges that may be imposed should these restrictions be breached.

 

At this site vehicles may only be parked in designated areas, with a valid ticket clearly on display. You were not clearly displaying a valid free 90 minute ticket and I therefore uphold our operatives decision to issue this parking charge notice.

 

We will not consider the matter closed until we have received your payment of £100 to reach us by 18/10/09 reduced to £70 if received in our office by 18/09/09. Please note we have extended the deadline for paying the lower amount."

 

I feel this is totally out of order, I spent £160 in the shop mentioned, had no reason whatsoever to not display a free ticket as it was just a short shopping trip and so I did not need anywhere near 90 minutes. I feel that I am being punished for forgetting to wind up my window and who hasn't done that at some point! At the time I left my car, the ticket was clearly displayed. Am I to be held responsible for something which happened in my absence?

 

When a similar situation arose in a Local Authority car park when my ticket flipped on a windy day, my appeal was accepted. Why can't they issue tickets which stick to your windscreen?

 

Can anyone advise what to do, given that my appeal letter did admit that the ticket had blown on to the floor (I merely told the truth).

 

If this does go to court, could I receive a CCJ and would any of this affect my credit rating. I really do not want to pay this on principle but have to know possible consequences.

 

The week before my younger son's brand new bicycle and his friend's were stolen from our shed/back garden while I was in the house. The police did no investigation whatsoever and those criminals have got away scot free - why is it that decent law abiding citizens are the one's getting punished?!!!

 

Please help a stressed out mum whose faith in human nature has been badly shaken.

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people are going to say

 

1 Ignore

 

2 Ingore

 

3 Goto 1

 

its a charge for a supposed breach of contract, not a fine.

 

 

you could only get a CCJ if

 

They took you to court (rarely ever happens)

 

You did not defend properly, or turn up (if they do try defenses can be sorted out easy enough)

 

You did not pay.

 

then a CCJ would result.

 

 

It's all fluff and bluster

 

 

you will get progressively nastier letters with more and more red writing from.

 

The parking company

 

A few from a DCA (desk next to the parking company)

 

A few from someone claiming to be solicitor (the desk next but one)

 

then they give up

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Ignore all the rubbish that VEP will undoubtedly send you. It would be nice if you haven't yet had to give the present to your son yet because I am sure you would really enjoy taking it back to Argos and demanding a full refund. I am sure you would also be happy to explain your reason for the return preferably in front of a long customer queue. :)

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Thanks for your prompt reply.

 

Just went to Citizens Advice Bureau - they said I could pay first and then appeal, but I suspect I will never see my money again if I do that.

 

They also said I could try writing directly to the landlord.

 

Do you know if anyone has tried and succeeded with either of these approaches?

 

Also has anyone had any dealings with Valley Enforcement Ltd - their website did look very above-board and they say they are a British Parking Association member.

Thanks

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Dear Crem

 

Yes, it would have delighted me also to take back my son's birthday present to Argos - unfortunately, it was an IPOD and is not covered by their 30 refund guarantee unless it is faulty, so I'm stuffed on that one.

 

The manager in Argos was sympathetic, but said it was the landlord who employed the parking enforcement company and they could do nothing about it.

She did also say the parking patrol man was on commission - he probably saw my open window and knew exactly what had happened - I hope the same happens to him one day!

 

I wonder if enough people threatened to boycott those shops, the landlord might think again about employing these people. I would like to organise a petition but am not sure how to go about it and who exactly to petition!

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Thanks for your prompt reply.

 

Just went to Citizens Advice Bureau - they said I could pay first and then appeal, but I suspect I will never see my money again if I do that.

 

They also said I could try writing directly to the landlord.

 

Do you know if anyone has tried and succeeded with either of these approaches?

 

Also has anyone had any dealings with Valley Enforcement Ltd - their website did look very above-board and they say they are a British Parking Association member.

Thanks

the CAB are useless on PPCs. ignore them as well.

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CAB are useless in most other situations as well. They really should exhibit a health and wealth warning. :)

 

As others have said - you did not explicitly agree to the terms the parking company imposed on you, as such as you hadn;t agreed, their 'ticket' is worthless. You'll have a further 14 or so letters and threats and then they move on since they're realising you're not paying up. You may get more becaue you've already contacted them - just note what you get and the dates recieved. The only tghing you respond to is a Court summons - and then you get a chance to embarassm them in court, but the chances of that happening are slim.

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Hi there,

 

My niece, who is going out with a solicitor, reckons that I have no defence, given that, if they take me to court, they have a letter from me admitting that I was driving and that the ticket had fallen on the floor of the car - hence can't use the 'not the driver' card. Sometimes telling the truth obviously does not pay! Also, she says that not reading the sign is no defence, as the signs are there to be read and, as with insurance policies, etc you have to read the "small print".

 

She also says if they won in court I would have to pay their costs too although she also reckons they may not bother to get that far.

 

So far I have not seen any blogs from people saying they have been successful with this approach. Are there any out there? Has anyone been taken to court and won or lost?

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Hi there,

 

My niece, who is going out with a solicitor, reckons that I have no defence, given that, if they take me to court, they have a letter from me admitting that I was driving and that the ticket had fallen on the floor of the car - hence can't use the 'not the driver' card. Sometimes telling the truth obviously does not pay! Also, she says that not reading the sign is no defence, as the signs are there to be read and, as with insurance policies, etc you have to read the "small print".

 

She also says if they won in court I would have to pay their costs too although she also reckons they may not bother to get that far.

 

So far I have not seen any blogs from people saying they have been successful with this approach. Are there any out there? Has anyone been taken to court and won or lost?

 

Your Neice is going out with a moron, not a solicitor :D

 

 

So what IF you were driving.

 

Yes you would have to pay in there costs, about £80.

 

PPC's do not like to do Court as they CANNOT fine you, It's as simple as that.

 

Jogs

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I guess I could use the 'unfair punishment /punishment too harsh" defence.

 

The supply of 'free service' one, am not sure about, as the car park was only free for the first 90 minutes, had I intended to stay longer (which I didn't) a charge would have been payable - could they argue that they could not tell whether I had outstayed the 90 minutes or not?

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Ok, everyone has convinced me not to be a wimp, they can whistle for their money! I was robbed once (my son's bike) so am not about to get robbed twice. They can take me to court if they want!

 

Will be in touch, if I need any more help.

 

PS, my niece's boyfriend is not a moron. My niece said it wasn't his area of expertise, so I think they were more her thoughts not his!

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Hi there,

 

Re my earlier posts in September. I chose to take your advice and not pay up.

I have now received a further letter from Valley Enforcement upping the charge to £130.

 

Their letter refers to a parking charge and does look very official eg Bank Giro payment slip, reference to DVAL and Information Commission should I wish to complain about data used inappropriately. Registered company no etc.

 

Has anyone had dealings with this particular company? I would like to know what I am in for!

 

I was proposing to send them the letter for those that had already had their appeal rejected ie

 

" Re your letter

 

Since I wrote to you I have been doing some research.

 

I now understand that your "parking ticket" purported to have been issued with the force of the law behind it. I now believe this not to be the case.

 

Would you please advise me what statute(s) and /or judicial precedent enable you to enforce this penalty against me.

 

In the meantime, I absolutely deny the amount claimed, or any amount at all, is due to you from me."

 

Should I also add the paragraph about not accepting the increased debt?

 

Any further advice welcome.

 

I would feel a lot happier knowing how others had got on with this company, as no other posts seem to refer to them.

 

Many thanks

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We hear from Valley Enforcement every now and again. They just give up, like all these [problematic]. The letters just dry up, so people don't bother coming back to report that nothing has happened.

 

Don't contact them - you won't get them to stop and they'll just know you're flummoxed enough to contact them twice and waste another 30p of your cash. Writing just demonstrates you don't understand the [problem], and they'll send more letters to you for longer because they think you might crack.

 

Simply carry on ignoring. Fight the urge to try and 'sort it out' because it simply won't be effective.

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Hi there. Do not worry....they will disappear! This is just the next step into getting you to pay up. Do not back down. I also suggest that you do not enter into any correspondenceas you will be ignored but it will also give them the impression that you are 'hooked' and may cave in to paying them. Ignore them and they will disappear after a few more letters.

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It's just following the 'usual' course. THEY have to prove you did something wrong, NOT you prove you didn't. the reference to the ICO is a nice touch, as the DVLAs release of your data is one of the exemptions, and if it spurs you into responding, they'll carry on the game.

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These are circus clowns - treat them as such. Throughout the process, you should recieve several letters from the ppc, a couple from maybe a debt collector (another desk in the same office) and then a solicitor who is such a failure the only way they can get work is with a ppc. Then they will give up as others have said. In real terms, there is so much law on your side that if it went to court (which is the worst that could happen) you could blow them out the water with a strong enough defence.

 

All the best,

 

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Hi there everyone,

 

Received another letter last week from ccscollect.co.uk Debt Collectors (from same address as previous 2 letters). They have given me 72 hour notice of home visit. They say one of their collectors will visit me at home to

- Obtain payment or agree a payment arrangement

- Investigate your home situation prior to commencing court action

 

They also say that my account will not be overlooked or forgotten and that they intend to resolve the matter to their client's satisfaction.

 

The letter was dated 4/12/09 and so far no one has turned up.

 

I assume this is part of the normal process, and other than my first appeal (before I saw your website) I have ignored all letters.

 

If someone does actually turn up on the doorstep what is my best course of action?

 

Any advice gratefully received!

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If someone does actually turn up on the doorstep what is my best course of action?

 

In the unlikely event of a visit - ask, "HAVE you an appointment?" With a negative answer, add "Sorry, I do not discuss financial mattrers on the doorstep. Goodbye." Close the door.

 

Simple!

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