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A Ford Ranger 3.2 TDCi (200 P S) 4x4 Wildtrack Double Cab Pickup 3200cc (Sep.2015) Registration No, ******* Chassis number ***************** (“The Vehicle”).  A copy of the agreement is attached  2.  The price of the goods was £15,995.00. The Initial Rental was £8500.00.  The total charge for credit was £3575.;17 And the balance of £11,070.17 was payable by 59 equal consecutive monthly instalments of £187 63. payable on the 25th of each month. 3.  The following were expressed conditions of the set agreement, Clause 8: Our Right to End this Agreement  8.1   Subject to sending you the notice as required by law, any of the following events will entitle us to end this Agreement: 8.1.2  You fail to pay the advance payment (if any) or any of the payments as specified on the front page of this agreement or any other sum payable under this Agreement. 8.1.3 If any of the information you have given us before entering into this Agreement or during the term of this Agreement was false 8.1.4 We consider, acting reasonably, that the goods may be in jeopardy or that our rights in the goods may otherwise be prejudiced. 8.1.5 If you die 8.1.6 If a bankruptcy petition is presented against you; if you petition for your own bankruptcy, or make a live arrangement with your creditors or call a meeting of them. 8. 1.7 If in Scotland, you become insolvent or sequestration or a receiver, judicial factor or trustee to be appointed over any of your estate, or effects or suffer an arrestment, charge attachment or other diligence to be issued or levied on any of your estate or effects or suffer any exercise, or threatened exercise of landlords hype hypothec 8.1.8 If you are a partnership, you are dissolved 8.1.9 If the goods are destroyed, lost, stolen and/or treated by the insurer as a total loss in response to an insurance claim. 8.1.10 If we reasonably believe any payment made to us in respect of this Agreement is a proceed of crime. 8.1.11 If steps are taken by us to terminate any other agreement which you have entered into with us. Clause 9.  Effect of Us Terminating Agreement 9.1 If this Agreement terminates under clause 8 the following will apply 9.1.1 Subject to the rights given to you by law, you will no longer be entitled to possession of the goods and must return them to us to an address as we may reasonably specify, (removing or commencing the removal of any cherished plates) together with a V5 registration certificate, both sets of keys and a service record book. If you are unable or unwilling to return the goods to us then we shall collect the goods and we'll charge you in accordance with clause 10.3 9.1.2 We will be entitled to immediate payment from you for all payments and all other sums do under this agreement at the date of termination 9.1.3 We will sell the goods or public sale at the earliest opportunity once the goods are in a reasonable condition which includes a return of the items listed in clause 7.1.4 9.1.4 We will be entitled to immediate payment from you of the rest of the Total Amount Payable under this agreement less: ( a) A rebate for early settlement ias required by law which will be calculated and notified to you at the time of payment (b) The proceeds of sale of the goods (if any) after deduction of all costs associated with finding you and/or the goods, recovery, refurbishment and repair. Insurance, storage, sale, agents fees, cherished plate removal, replacement keys, costs associated with obtaining service history for the goods and in relation to obtaining a duplicate V5 registration certificate 4, The following are particulars required by Civil Procedure Rules. Rule 7.9 as set out in 7.1 and 7.2 of the associated Practice Direction entitled Hire Purchase Claims:- a)     The agreement is dated 25 August 2022. And is between Moneybarn No1 Limited  and xxxxxxxxx under agreement  number xxxxxx. b)    The claimant was one of the original parties to the agreement. c)    The agreement is regulated under the Consumer Credit Act 1974. d)    The goods claimed Ford Ranger 3.2 TDCi ( 200 PS) 4x4 Wildtrack Double Cab Pickup 3200 cc (Sep2015} Registration No ^^^^^^^ Chassis number ***************** e)     The total price of the goods £19570 f)     The paid up sum £1206 5 g)    The unpaid balance of the total price £7505 (to include charges) h)    A default notice was sent to the defendant on 20th February 2024 by First class post i)      The date when the right to demand delivery of the goods accrued 14 March 2024 j)      The amount if any claimed as an alternative to delivery of the goods 7505 22 include charges 5.  At the date of service of the notice the instalments were £562.89 in arrears. 6. By reason of the Termination of the Agreement by the notice, defendant became liable to pay the sum of £7502 7. The date of maturity the agreement is 24th August 2027. 8. Further or alternative by reasons of  the Defendant breaches of the agreement by failing to pay the said instalments, the Defendant evinced an intention no longer to be bound by the Agreement and repudiated it by the said Notice the claimant accepted that repudiation 9. By reason of such repudiation the claimant has suffered loss and damage. Total amount payable £19570 Less sum paid or in arrears by the date of repudiation £12064 97 Balance £7505 (to include charges.) ( The claimant will give credit if necessary for the value of the vehicle if recovered.)  The claimant therefore claims 1.    An order for delivery up of the vehicle 2.    The MoneyClaim to be adjourned generally with liberty to restore,  Upon restoration of the MoneyClaim following return or loss of the vehicle. the Claimant will ensure the pre action protocol for debt claims is followed. 3.    Pursuant to s 90 (1)  of the Consumer Credit Act 1974. An order that the Claimant and/or its agents may enter any premises in which the vehicle is situated in order to recover the vehicle should it not be returned by the Defendant 4.    further or alternatively damages 5.    costs Statement of truth The Claimant believes that the facts stated in these Particulars of Claim are true. The Claimant understands that the proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes or causes to be made a false statement in the document for verified by statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth. I am duly Authorised by the Claimant to sign these Particulars of Claim signed Dated 17th of April 2024  What is the total value of the claim? 7502   Have you received prior notice of a claim being issued pursuant to paragraph 3 of the PAPDC (Pre Action Protocol) ? No   Never heard of this   Have you changed your address since the time at which the debt referred to in the claim was allegedly incurred? No   Did you inform the claimant of your change of address? n/a Is the claim for - a Bank Account (Overdraft) or credit card or loan or catalogue or mobile phone account? No   When did you enter into the original agreement before or after April 2007 ? After  Do you recall how you entered into the agreement...On line /In branch/By post ? In a garage  Is the debt showing on your credit reference files (Experian/Equifax /Etc...) ? Yes  Has the claim been issued by the original creditor or was the account assigned and it is the Debt purchaser who has issued the claim. Original Were you aware the account had been assigned – did you receive a Notice of Assignment? n/a   Did you receive a Default Notice from the original creditor? They said sent but nor received   Have you been receiving statutory notices headed “Notice of Sums in Arrears”  or " Notice of Arrears "– at least once a year ? None seen   Why did you cease payments? Still Paying,   What was the date of your last payment? Yesterday  31st May 2024   Was there a dispute with the original creditor that remains unresolved? No   Did you communicate any financial problems to the original creditor and make any attempt to enter into a debt management plan? Yes on 12 Feb 2024   What you need to do now.   Can't scan, will do via another means as you cant have jpg  
    • Now that is an interesting article which adds afew perspective that I hadn't thought significant - but on reflection of the perspectives offered ... Now Starmer is no Blair, however 'blairite he may be perceived, but the Tories aren't tories and aren't even remotely liberal   The fast 'unannounced and unexpected election call from sunack may well be explained by the opinion linked that he hoped reform would be unprepared and effectively call a chunk of Farages largely empty bluster - making him look even more of a prat, leave scope for attacks on shabby reform candidates and mimimise core vote losses to reform - while throwing the 'middle ground' (relative) tories TO THE DOGS - and with the added bonus of likely pacifying his missu' desire to jogg off to sunny cal tout suite somewhat   thumb in the air - I expect about 140ish tory seats, but can hope for under a hundred Reform - got to admit the outside possibility of 1, maybe 2 seats with about 8% of the vote - but unlikely. I think projections of over 10% of the vote for reform is nudged and paid for speculation - but possible with the expected massive drives from Russian, Chinese and far right social media bot and troll prods targeting the gullible.
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Thanks for this, says insurance only covers a 5 year term - how do we know this is true? is it standard or do I need to check my policy (that incidentally I was only provided with in January when i rang to say I was redundant and needed to make a claim - that's when I found out it only paid out for 12 months so decided to claim back instead).

 

My internet is down and I am using dad's - as soon as mine is back up I will get on with it!

 

Thanks again

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you will need to change paragraph 6 to read 5 unless the 5 is missing ;-)

I have no legal training and the advice I offer is a matter of support. Before you commit to any Legal action you are advised to contact a qualified legal practitioner.

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Bank charge successes:

Halifax - Full settlement incl interest.

HSBC - Settlement, goodwill no admission of liability about 75% of claim.

RBS - Settlement, goodwill no admission of liability about 70% of claim.

2 ongoing claims for bank charges with HSBC with more to come. (Supreme Court ruling could have upset these claims) They did :mad:

PPI Successes

PPI 4 settlements on 9 loans. FOS involvement on 7 added on the 8 % Statutory interest another 30% to both.

2 claims settled in full with LV without FOS involvement.

2 claims settled in full with HSBC without FOS involvement

 

PPI Claims ongoing with:

Cap one Now with the FOS

Barclays. Paid up today 24/04/10 cheque received for over £4,500 and in the bank.

LTSB still have to decide on this as their SAR production was abysmal. Papers data mixed up documents missing etc

 

1 Complaint not upheld by FOS they said it was ICO issue. Complaint upheld by ICO. See this..

Post 290 from

***RBS PPI Claim Long fight but, WON***

 

Please do not PM me for advice as it may be sometime before I can respond.

 

Keep at them. Do not give way and do not accept all they tell you, they will delay and stall for as long as they can to prevent repaying you your mis-sold PPI.

 

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double check your policy jan but id say it is a 5 yr one going by the cost of it and the fact ive never heard of a 10 yr ppi yet

Finally if you succeed with your claim please consider a donation to consumer action group as those donations keep this site alive.

 R.I.P BOB aka ROOSTER-UK you have always been a Gent on these boards and you will be remembered for that.

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one thing is 4 sure it proves it was missold because it is now aparant to me they did not tell u this and they should of done

Finally if you succeed with your claim please consider a donation to consumer action group as those donations keep this site alive.

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Thanks. My internet still down - apparently 3 mobile technical problems in N ireland, Scotland and north of england so some of us having real problems!

 

They didn't tell me anything at all about the policy and I didn't even get sent a copy until this Jan when I told them I was redundant so needed to make a claim!

 

Will check it when I get home (am on dad's again!).

 

Jan

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Hello PF

 

back online and sorted now!

 

It does actually look like that the insurance covers me for the whole 120 months - not just 5 years. Just read through the T&C's. Am a bit suspicious though as I was never supplied with these when i got the loan, only got them this January so wonder if they've been amended since.

 

Anyway, I'll just delete that para in the letter and send it off tomorrow.

 

I'll start a new thread when I get a reply so that "Northern Rock" appears in all the headings - AA has asked me to do this and its the only way I know to do it.

 

Thanks for all your help so far

 

Jan

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no need to start a new thread just hit the red triangle this will flag up the siteteam just post a message there with a link to this thread a state what u wish it to be called

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or send alan a PM and he will sort it

Finally if you succeed with your claim please consider a donation to consumer action group as those donations keep this site alive.

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there u go thanks 42man

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Had a letter from Northern Rock over the last few days (been away) dated 18 August.

 

They've sent a quesionnaire they want me to complete which asks questions about the PPI - most of the answers I don't know as they never told me anything about the policy I had. Might just fill in my name and refer them to letter. They say "the information will help them during the investigation of my complaint". They ask if I asked the advisor for details of the policy - sounds like they're trying to put blame on me for missell.

 

They also say they only received the top copy of my letter and are asking for the second page - so assume they haven't had the spreadsheet either. I'll send it all again telling them I hope their postroom passed all the contents of the envelope to them this time. They say they will process my application in the meantime.

 

Also, my next payment is due on 1st Sept. Think I should tell them I will be unable to pay this as I won't know the amount to pay without the PPI, until they reply to me in full? Or just ask what the amount will be? or tell them I won't pay anything - they can take it out of what they owe me?

 

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Re: Above post

 

The more I look at the form the more I don't like it. Don't think I will complete it - doesn't give them an excuse to drag their feet does it? Has anyone else filled forms in?

 

Next payment - think I should tell them I can't pay until they give me the amount. anyone see a problem with that?

 

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Hiya Jan,

 

Firstly sorry for the delay you have had, rights lets get you some answers.

 

They ask if I asked the advisor for details of the policy - sounds like they're trying to put blame on me for missell.

 

How can you ask for the details of the policy if you do not know what details to ask or what is in the small print it is for them to ensure you know these and are fully aware of what you are buying.

 

They also say they only received the top copy of my letter and are asking for the second page

 

Well that just goes to show how lax there administration is as I cant for one moment think you would of forgot to enclose everything the truth is it probably got lost under there mountain of paperwork due to not having good practice and good procedures in place.

 

Also, my next payment is due on 1st Sept. Think I should tell them I will be unable to pay this as I won't know the amount to pay without the PPI, until they reply to me in full? Or just ask what the amount will be? or tell them I won't pay anything - they can take it out of what they owe me?

 

Thats what I did but remember if you do this to send the disputed account letter template in the templates library.

 

Regards

 

PF

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you are welcome PF

Finally if you succeed with your claim please consider a donation to consumer action group as those donations keep this site alive.

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Right.

 

I replied to them last week, also adding that until they advised what my payment minus the PPI would be I would be unable to pay payment due 1 September.

 

Didn't hear from them so couldn't pay it. Received a letter on saturday telling me my 1st September payment was overdue (same amount as with PPI).

 

Rang today, spoke to guy in "payment problems" - explained I couldn't pay this until they had calculated what the amount was minus the PPI. He spoke to person dealing with it and said I was to pay the amount with PPI as missold claim was ongoing. I told him that irrespective of missell claim, PPI is cancelled and they still should have cancelled PPI a month ago and I shouldn't have to pay it this month. He again spoke to his colleague and then came back to me and said they couldn't treat it as 2 issues (PPI Cancellation and PPI Missell) so I'm to pay it this month and they'll pay it back to me.

 

I told him this was cancelled on 2 August and I'm not paying it until they give me a figure minus PPI. He said it could affect my credit rating. I said if it did I would report them to FSA.

 

So, am I right? I think I should probably reiterate in writing in case I get problems later on with credit rating.

 

Guy was quite nice, he was pretty clueless really. Left it that I'd put in writing, but I already have once really. If i did it again though I could mention the credit rating threat.

 

Oh, and he did mention that they would shortly be in touch with a settlement figure................

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Hiya Jan,

 

Firstly I fall to see how they can put a negative marker on your credit ratings as the account is clearly in dispute.

 

A letter to the FSA explaining there actions is required here.

 

Yes another letter to northern rock spelling out the situation to them and that a complaint to the fsa has been made because of there actions re: threat of negative marker on credit files

 

Regards

 

PF

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Hi Orange

 

Nothing yet, but I think they have almost a month left before they have to reply to my reclaim letter. I'll keep you informed though.

 

Have you done a SAR first? Mine proved really useful as they'd input stuff on their system that worked to my advantage. Also, when you come to do your spreadsheet it helps as you get a list of payment dates, amounts etc off them. I sent them the £10 fee but they didn't cash it. They sent SAR info in about 2 weeks - they did have my signed agreement although I wasn't particularly bothered about that as I'm happy with just doing PPI reclaim.

 

When I spoke to them 3 days ago about payment, they said they'd be sending an offer soon - so it looks like they're going to try to settle rather than paying the full amount but I'll have to wait and see!

 

You can probably lift a lot of info from my thread as I was new to it so had a lot of help from others.

 

When you come to do your spreadsheet (do you know excel?) I could email you mine so you can just amend that accordingly. I know mine is right cos PF did most of it and also checked what I did! You'll have to pm me your e-mail address if you want to do that.

 

Jan

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Details on loan agreement are:

Loan amount £12,000

Payment Protection £5821.20

Amount of credit £17821.20

Total charge for credit £6,192

Total amount payable £24,013.20

APR 6.4%

Payble by 120 monthly instalments of £200.11

 

Also, does this mean it was front loaded and I paid interest on it?

 

 

You should forget the PPI agreement and claim all payments made back with interest on the grounds that the credit agreement is unenforceable under section 18 of the CCA 1974.

Section 18 of the Consumer Credit Act of 1974

‘18.--(1) This section applies to an agreement (a “multiple agreement”) if its terms are such as--

(a) to place a part of it within one category of agreement mentioned in this Act, and another part of it within a different category of agreement so mentioned, or within a category of agreement not so mentioned, or

(b) to place it, or a part of it, within two or more categories of agreement so mentioned.

(2) Where a part of an agreement falls within subsection (1), that part shall be treated for the purposes of this Act as a separate agreement.

(3) Where an agreement falls within subsection (1)(b), it shall be treated as an agreement in each of the categories in question, and this Act shall apply to it accordingly.’

The loan contains both a fixed sum loan agreement (£12 000.00 the amount you borrowed) and a debtor-creditor-supplier agreement (£5821.20 PPI)

The Credit Agreement completely ignores s18 and is therefore unenforceable as it does not have separate repayment terms for the two agreements and repayment terms are prescribed terms in Schedule 6 of the Consumer Credit (Agreements) Regulations 1983.

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Hi Hellsbells1805

 

Thanks for this. My thinking at the moment is that I'll claim the PPI back as that will be faster than doing CCA plus the amount I'm claiming back comes to about the same as I've paid them so far because of all the interest and the 8% I'm claiming back. So thought I'd do PPI reclaim, then have a think about CCA after I've seen how much of loan is left to pay and what their attitude is towards reclaim.

 

So far Northern Rock have been OK but if they really mess me about (like other bank's have done with people) then I might be tempted to jump straight to CCA.

 

Thanks for the info though - didn't know it wasn't enforceable before, would have had to ask everyone. If I go that route I'll probably have loads of questions!

 

Thanks again

 

Jan

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