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    • Morning dx and thank you for your message.   With regards to your comment about them not needing to produce the deed, the additional directions ordered by the judge included 'a copy of any assignment o the debt or agreement relied upon'  so that is why I thought that point was relevant?
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Fault seems to clear after engine was switched off. 07/02/2024 In the Morning, I take it to local garage who say as the light gone off – the warranty company is unlikely to cover the cost of the repair or diagnostics and recommend I contact them when the light comes back on. In the evening the light comes back on and luckily I manage to get it back to the garage just before it shuts for the day. 08/02/2024 The Garage sends me a diagnostics video showing a lot error codes been picked up by their diagnostics machine including codes for Oxygen sensor and Nox Sensors, Accelerator pedal and several more. Video also shows EGR Hose not connected to the intake manifold properly, they believed this was confusing the onboard system as it is unlikely this many sensors would trigger at same the time but they couldn’t be certain until they repaired the hose. 13/02/2024 Finally get the car back as it took a while to get approval and payment for the repairs from the Warranty company. Garage told me to keep an eye the car as errors had cleared with the hose but couldn’t 100% certain that’s what caused the problem. 06/03/2024 Engine management light comes on again. Fed up I go into Trade Centre as I was just around the corner when it happened and asked them how to reject the car or have the problem fixed. They insist that as it’s over 28 days I need to get the car fixed under the warranty package I purchased and they could no longer fix the car as it was over 28 days. When I tried telling them it appeared to be the same or related problem they said they couldn’t help as I hadn’t contacted them earlier. I asked them if they were willing to connect the car to the diagnostics machine and tell me what the problem was, as a goodwill gesture, which he agreed to do and took the car to the back He came back around 30 minutes later and said they took a look at the sensor they replaced previously and there was nothing wrong with it and engine management light went off when they removed the sensor to check it. When I asked what the error code he couldn’t give me an exact fault but the said it one of the problems I told him earlier (Accelerator pedal). I have this visit audio recorded on my phone – I informed the reps I was recording several times. As the light wasn’t on, local garage couldn’t book me for a repair under warranty. 07/03/2024 Light came on so managed to book back into local garage for the 12/03/2024 Whilst waiting to take car into garage, I borrowed a OBD sensor and scanned for errors on the car. This showed the following errors: P11BE – Manufacturer specific code (Google showed this to be NOX sensor) P0133 - Oxygen (Lambda) Sensor B1 S1: Response too Slow 12/03/2024 Took car to local garage and the confirmed the above errors. This leads me to believe that either Trade Centre UK reps lied and just reset the light or just didn’t check properly (Obviously I am unable to prove this) 22/03/2024 Finally got the car back as according to garage, the warranty company took a long to time to pay for the repairs 28/04/2024 Engine management Light has come back on. Using the borrowed OBD scanner I am getting the following codes: P0133 - Oxygen (Lambda) Sensor B1 S1: Response too Slow P2138 - Accelerator Position Sensors (G79) / (G185): Implausible Correlation I have not yet booked into a garage as I wanted to see what my rights are in terms of rejecting the car as to me the faults seem related. I can’t keep using taxi or train to get to work every time the car goes into the garage as it is getting very expensive. Am I right in thinking that they have used up their chance to repair when they conducted the repair end of January or when they refused to repair it in February ? If I am still able to reject the vehicle could you point to any sample letters or emails I can use. Thankyou for your advice on my next steps.
    • Ok noted about the screenshot uploads. In terms of screwing up I had one previous ticket that defaulted and ended up in a CCJ from Southend airport because for some reason during COVID I didn't receive their claim form just a notice of default. This hospital ticket was the 2nd ticket that went to CCJ due to a lack of knowledge of the process. Maybe it's easier just to pay them in future I'm thinking though, I don't get them very often anyway
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    • please stop posting up unnecessary unnamed screenshot files  you've done it throughout your threads and we have to renamed them. RENAME THE FILE before you upload if its just text information like a defence or a claim history or a link to a previous post  type it here not by an unnamed screenshot attachment  . sorry NM but you've been here dealing with PPC claims since 2021 somehow you always manage to screw up.......or do totally the opposite of std repeated advice on 10'000 of PPC threads here you are your own worst enemy... dx  
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Thanks Monty, Should it be the court or Funding Corporation that should forward the paperwork on to me, also any idea what I should say to the Judge re The Statement of Needs (not sure how to word it)

 

 

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Hi pinky

 

It depends. An IA will come via the court but your requested paperwork should come from the funding corporation. I have had the same problem with mine and I see it with other cases, the Pursuers fail to follow up. Hence you need to point this out at your next calling date to the Sheriff when you are allowed to present. The Statement of Needs is important and you need to point out that this is a requirement for evaluating your suitability for PPI, you will have to dig around for whatever legislation or guidelines were current at the time.

 

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Well back at court on Tuesday for the 3rd time, still no paperwork received re the I/A served, also does anyone know if a Statement of Needs was mandatory in 2004 as they have said that they do not need to produce this piece of paperwork.

 

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And Me Again Pinky

 

Did You Find Out Who The Ppi Payments Went To

 

What Insurance Company

Who Underwrites The Policy

 

did You Get A Statement Of Price

thats A Break Down Of The Premiums

 

Its How Much In Total With Interst You Will Pay For The Insurance

 

Its Important And A Legal Requirement

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Thanks for the help, back on the 6th October, the insurance company was AXA.

 

What should I do on Tuesday if they want another extention, and don't produve what i've asked for?

 

Thanks so much again would have thrown the towel in ages ago if it hadn't been for all the help and support.

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Phone Axa And Just Ask What Details They Have On You

 

If They Confirm Details And I Mean If

 

Ask Them To Send You All Details Including The Underwriting Sheet

 

Leave This With Me Over The Week End And Ill Take The Greates Of Pleasure In Doing A Letter For You To Take To Court

 

The Cracks Are Starting To Show And You Have Them On The Back Foot

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Thanks for all the help, back at court tomorrow just wondering if you could give me help on to approach and word the fact that the Statement of Needs cannot be produced, and if they still have not produced everything on the I/A.

 

 

Thanks xxxxx

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have they supplied anything at all for your IA?

 

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it could go two ways

 

 

..if they turn up tomorrow wth docs then you need to ask for an extension to check the docs and prepare a suitable defence and to check everything they have supplied

 

if they don't turn up or turn up without docs you can ask for a dismissal for not complying with the IA but they might show up and ask for another extension.

 

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this can be frustrating asking for extensions etc

 

have a read of rrfc's thread

 

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/dealing-debt-scotland/180427-rrfcfan-court-wf-all-4.html

 

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likely i'm afraid . i think rrfc had three or four

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there seems to be a lot more flexability in the scottish system

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i am not sure i can't find it in writing to sa they haveto keep the statements or eligability and was waiting on postgg posting it up

 

just posting this up as it explains things easy for folks like me

 

http://www.fsa.gov.uk/pubs/other/ppi_thematic_report.pdf

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Well just back from court (AGAIN), the judge was taking no nonsense she has given F/C 2 weeks to get all paperwork together for me to submit my full defence, the legal rep for F/C has said they can only supply the credit agreement and terms and conditions and that they cannot locate some of the paperwork and that some they are not obliged to supply, I did state that this being my 3rd visit that I had received nothing, the judge did not seem to be pleased about this and added that she was unwilling to keep giving F/C extension after extension, intrestingly though at the tail end the legal rep stated that the F/C may wish to come to an understanding.

 

 

ANY THOUGHTS ON THIS GREATLY APPRECIATED!!!!!!!!!!!

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Well just back from court (AGAIN), the judge was taking no nonsense she has given F/C 2 weeks to get all paperwork together for me to submit my full defence, the legal rep for F/C has said they can only supply the credit agreement and terms and conditions and that they cannot locate some of the paperwork and that some they are not obliged to supply, I did state that this being my 3rd visit that I had received nothing, the judge did not seem to be pleased about this and added that she was unwilling to keep giving F/C extension after extension, intrestingly though at the tail end the legal rep stated that the F/C may wish to come to an understanding.

 

 

ANY THOUGHTS ON THIS GREATLY APPRECIATED!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Well done Pinky. They know that they are stuffed, any agreement should be on strict terms that they write off the alleged debt and remove the -ve markers and DN from your CRA files.

 

The bit about not needing the actual agreement is of course rubbish, not only do they need it but it also needs to be in the prescribed terms. They also need to refund your PPI.

 

You are in a strong, winning position so don't blink.

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def a winning position

 

when creditors are more interested in commission than following corect procedure, i have no sympathy

 

statement of needs and needs and demands statements are starting to haunt them now

 

tough

 

wait for the surender letter now me thinks

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I STILL DON'T GET HOW THEY CAN SAY, WE CAN ONLY PRODUCE CCA AND TERMS AND CONDITIONS AND SAY THAT THE OTHER DOCS (SATEMENT OF NEEDS, DEFAULT NOTICE ETC CANNOT BE PRODUCED OR DO NOT NEED TO PRODUCE), WHAT HAPPENS IF THEY DON'T PRODUCE EVERYTHING LISTED ON THE I/A??????

 

 

Thanks again for all the supportxxxxxxxxxx

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i would think the fc have wasted enough time and are clutching at straws

 

the judge will now throw this out and the fc now realise this

 

as usual the fc are talking crap

 

they can say no to you

 

not to a judge

 

you are in the final straight now

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I STILL DON'T GET HOW THEY CAN SAY, WE CAN ONLY PRODUCE CCA AND TERMS AND CONDITIONS AND SAY THAT THE OTHER DOCS (SATEMENT OF NEEDS, DEFAULT NOTICE ETC CANNOT BE PRODUCED OR DO NOT NEED TO PRODUCE), WHAT HAPPENS IF THEY DON'T PRODUCE EVERYTHING LISTED ON THE I/A??????

 

 

Thanks again for all the supportxxxxxxxxxx

 

Dear Pinky

 

Remember where your case is in the legal process, there has been no leading of evidence, indeed they have not produced any evidence so at the moment you are well ahead. The Sheriff will not give them more opportunity but you must remember that there is a lot of flexibility in the system which seems unfair but it works both ways.

 

When, or should I say IF, evidence is led then you point to your IA and your request for documentation, that should be enough for the case to be struck out and the case awarded in your favour.

 

When does the case next call at court?

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