15 year old daughter was caught shopliftng

[kiptower]

infact I do have knowledge of the subject, but I cant go into the detail on here, > the reason I only made what was laymans comments

Edited June 11, 2009 by kiptower

[shanty]

Which bit are you thanking me for removing?

[kiptower]

i thought you had removed the reference to round things , but alas you didnt

[shanty]

Sorry,no.

[JonCris]

Where I defending a consumer who had been 'arrested' by a security guard then the guard would be in for a hell of a time in the witness box. A citizens arrest only ever existed for the casual passer-by - It does not exist (although some like to think it does) as part of a security guards job description & if their employer advocates that it does they are misleading their employee

 

PS anyone PM'ing me please do so again Thanks

 

Oh & as for the remark about a warrant card. Without it in his possession a police officer has no more power of arrest than an ordinary citizen - once upon a time a police officers warrant was his truncheon which was inscribed as such

Edited June 12, 2009 by JonCris

[shanty]

Really,so where in PACE it says "any person may arrest.." where does it say "unless they are a security guard"?

 

Could you give us a link to this?

 

Heres a link that has been displayed on here before.

If you read it,both acpo and a barrister explain....

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/6323391.stm

 

The Barrister specifically quotes the person should be told by the citizen that they are under arrest.He also says Police Community Support Officers use citizens arrest powers.. as do store detectives...

 

But I expect you will either not reply-or change the subject.

 

Heres another link from a police force

 

http://www.sussex.police.uk/features/localPolicing/staff_pcso_feature_diary.asp

 

explaining that pcsos have the power of citizens arrest

Edited June 12, 2009 by shanty

[noomill060]

If a visitor to your employer's premises whom you had assaulted, carried out a citizen's arrest on you, would you quietly concede their right to do so?

[shanty]

I wouldn't assault someone,personally.

Can you give more detail to your hyperthetical situation?

I don't think where they are is relevant anyway.

Personally,if someone wanted to arrest me,I would call the Police myself,so conceding doesn't even get half way there.

 

Would anyone quietly concede being arrested..well,some do,some don't.What's your point?

Edited June 12, 2009 by shanty

[ForestChav]

explaining that pcsos have the power of citizens arrest

That's not news since anyone can do a citizen's arrest.

[shanty]

its news two the two previous posters who claim security guards can't arrest and citizens arrests are just for the man in the street.

[noomill060]

News for you, shanty- a *security guard* IS just the man in the street.

[shanty]

News for you, shanty- a *security guard* IS just the man in the street.

 

CORRECT!A security guard IS the man on the street, MY point exactly.

I am glad you agree,so thats not news to me.(this thread is getting somewhat other-worldly)

 

 

You never gave me your hyperthetical situation,please go ahead and I will give you the reply you asked for.

Edited June 13, 2009 by shanty

[leslie8570]

heres what i do if i know someone has left the store without paying for items they have concealed i stop them outside the store and ask them to come back into store. i then explain to them what i have seen via cctv and they come clean and give the goods back i then inform them that they are being detained for theft and the police are being called. they then give me there details sometimes they refuse and wont give them until the police arrive. the police then arrive and i tell the police what has happend they then view the evidence cctv etc. and they then place the person under arrest i make a statement put the cctv onto a disc and the police take it from there. thats my job