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    • My mind is a blur so i cant recall exactly what the judge said at the end, but he mentioned that he would be making an order for Evri to make payment to me. I wasn't sure if the court order will also be provided to me, either by post or email - if anyone can shed some light please?
    • Agree with everyone here it's bang to rights. Looks like you just slightly jinked left in order to go right. Ultimately, your time saving attempt is going to cost you as I don't think you have any grounds to appeal. I'd just pay the charge and chalk it up to experience.
    • Thank you everyone!  thought to share some points from my experience in court today that may help others who are taking Evri to court: The judge sets out how the hearing will go and how each party should behave; while i was certainly feeling anxious/nervous ahead of the hearing (and I'm sure @jk2054 may have also observed this), the judge really does try to put any non-legal persons at ease; refrain from talking to the other party and instead speak to the judge if you have any questions/responses; the judge and the advocate spoke about tort of negligence - i wasn't sure how this applied to my case but the judge was questionning the advocate about this so i chose to stay out of this; the judge made reference to a historical case of Donaghue v Stevenson which established a duty of care; the judge observed that some of the points in Evri's witness statement by george wood needed cross examination but george was not present today for questionning; While i was claiming 8% interest, the judge pointed out that is the upper limit and that today, savings accounts give 4-5%. I therefore opted for 5% interest which was agreed to by the judge and the advocate; above all else, ensure you know your court bundle and have any notes to help you refer to specific sections - it helped me to structure my answers to the judge/defendant's queries, and point to specific evidence where i was asked to prove e.g., the value of the item. @honeybee13 - yes, will confirm when payment is received. I have emailed the Evri.claims email with my bank details and also provided them after the hearing to the advocate. @BankFodder message received and i am replying to it
    • Looks promising then.  Well done   Dx
    • So a little update.  I sent a complaint to ico and have heard nothing. I just got the general reply email and that's it.  Sat twiddling my thumbs and thought about what I should do next. I searched for the CEO of Studio but then found that he'd left so as keep getting letters from studio about the arrears etc. I thought I'd email the David Twigg. Sent him all the bumpft and a copy of my original complaint and sars request.  Got no response. So didn't know what else to do. Then I thought I'd try through the financial difficulties option on the online form. One last try before I just give up and let them default me.  Then on the 5th June. I got an email from their customer services. That the items that had gone AWOL have all been cancelled. Nothing else on that email, so I had a look in an email account that I don't use anymore and there was an email from the customer service.  That they were sorry for the problems I've had for the last 9 months. That the sars info was emailed to me on 14/04, it wasn't I've kept all spam and deleted emails on that account, they have raised a complaint with their studio pay team regarding the issues, balance dispute, fee's and my credit file. They are hoping to resolve in 3 days but they have upto 56. They also said in regards to my other issues I have to raise a complaint with studio retail but haven't told me how I do that.  The sars info only goes upto the end of December 2023. It has my previous complaints on there but nothing after so I don't know how I get hold of that information. Luckily I've kept copies of every time I've contacted them. Every web chat or social media contact.  Apologies for the extremely long post but I wanted to add everything I could just incase.  I have checked my account balance and it's still minus 900 odd pounds but I'll keep checking to see if it's all cleared and on my credit file.  I'm hoping this is the end of the whole debacle and they close my account because I never want to do this again. Although it's been a learning experience.  Thanks to dx100uk for pointing me in the right direction. Much appreciated.   
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Please can anyone help with any of these three questions:

 

a) If an ex-employer has not paid most of the wages due in the most recent payroll cycle, but the employee is no longer employed there, is the 3-month deadline for submitting a claim to the employment tribunal considered to begin from the leaving date on the P45 or is it 3 months from the day of payment (ie even if payday was 2 weeks after the leaving date)?

 

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b) If an employer does not accept any mail at the place of work and has said to send any mail to a different address (which apparently is the address of an associated company but not one that the employee was aware of or had any contact with), can a tribunal claim be made listing two different addresses for the respondent?

 

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c) If the employer is not a corporation but rather a private partnership, can a tribunal claim list one of the individual partners as one of the respondents?

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Please can anyone help with any of these three questions:

 

a) If an ex-employer has not paid most of the wages due in the most recent payroll cycle, but the employee is no longer employed there, is the 3-month deadline for submitting a claim to the employment tribunal considered to begin from the leaving date on the P45 or is it 3 months from the day of payment (ie even if payday was 2 weeks after the leaving date)?

 

your employer is obliged to pay anything owed to you in your final wage. if they have not, then this should also be brought up at the tribunal.

If however, you owe the company any money for anything, and they have a legitimate reason for keeping it, then they may deduct this from the final salary.

 

 

b) If an employer does not accept any mail at the place of work and has said to send any mail to a different address (which apparently is the address of an associated company but not one that the employee was aware of or had any contact with), can a tribunal claim be made listing two different addresses for the respondent?

 

there should be a single correspondance address, and any correspondance should be sent via recorded delivery to verfy that it has been recieved, with copies of all correspondance kept for later reference.

 

and

 

c) If the employer is not a corporation but rather a private partnership, can a tribunal claim list one of the individual partners as one of the respondents?

 

the claim should be against the company itself.

 

 

I think ll that is correct, if not someone else can fill in the blanks

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Hi,

I know from experience that you have 3 months from the time you put your grievances letter either that be about wages owned or anything else your not happy with, as for place of where to send, make sure you get this right as I had this problem with one of my ex employers and he said he didn’t receive any paper work from the tribunal or my grievance letter I sent him, lucky for me I registered mailed it and kept the recite and checked up on royal mail when he picked up and singed for it and that alone won me my case or it would have been his word against mine and they would of thrown out my case. There is a guideline you have to stick with and ACAS are very helpful.

Not sure if this is any help and just going of my own experience but you do learn as you go alone which is a eye opener!

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Thanks but it's not 3 months from the grievance letter. Isn't it the case that the grievance letter might extend the deadline by three months, provided it was submitted within the original three month period, but the extension is from whenever the original deadline would be and not from the date of the greivance letter.

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Hi

In discrimination cases, you have 3 months from the date of incident within which to raise a grievance, or to submit ET1.

 

If you raise a grievance, you then cannot submit an ET1 within 28 days (this is to enable employer to investigate and determine your grievance), but must submit ET1 within 3 months from date of grievance. If you submit the ET within 28 days, the claim would be refused, but theres nothing to stop you submitting the same claim once this 28 period is over (so you dont lose anything by submitting before 28days are over).

 

Remember that even when done online, it takes several days for the claim to be registered and if theres any errors on your form, the claim would be rejected. So allow enough time for claim to be registered and correct anyn errors (so don't leave it to the last day!).

 

ET has discretion to extend time limits if it considers it to be 'just and equitable' to do so. Simply saying I did not know my legal rights is not a 'just and equitable' reason for extension. If you have a good reason (e.g. you did not find out about the act/omission until after the timelimits expired) ET may extend the time limit but they have to weigh it against the injustice that would be faced by the employer as a result of the delay. (Remember ET is trying to be fair to both parties).

 

All the advice I have seen points to the fact that this ET discretion to extend time limits should not be relied on.

 

 

 

Saying all that, I don't know if all the above applies in dismissal cases - I dont see why not, but better check first. Also I understand the statutory grievance procedure is changing soon and I'm not sure if the time limit issues also change.

 

Do a Google on "Employment Tribunal time limit" and also check out ETClaims.co.uk website for advice - thats how I found out much about employment law.

 

Good luck

I am not a lawyer, so all my advice is provided on the basis that you will check them with a trained legal professional with legal insurance.:(

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