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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
    • Thanks for all the suggestions so far I will amend original WS and send again for review.  While looking at my post at very beginning when I submitted photos of signs around the car park I noticed that it says 5 hours maximum stay while the signage sent by solicitor shows 4 hours maximum stay but mine is related to electric bay abuse not sure if this can be of any use in WS.
    • Not sure what to make of that or what it means for me, I was just about to head to my kip and it's a bit too late for legalise. When is the "expenditure occured"?  When they start spending money to write to me?  Or is this a bad thing (as "harsh" would imply)? When all is said and done, I do not have two beans to rub together, we rent our home and EVERYTHING of value has been purchased by and is in my wife's name and we are not financially linked in any way.  So at least if I can't escape my fate I can at least know that they will get sweet FA from me anyway   edit:  ah.. Sophia Harrison: Time bar decision tough on claimants WWW.SCOTTISHLEGAL.COM Time bar is a very complex area of law in Scotland relating to the period in which a claim for breach of duty can be pursued. The Scottish government...   This explains it like I am 5.  So, a good thing then because creditors clearly know they have suffered a loss the minute I stop paying them, this is why it is "harsh" (for them, not me)? Am I understanding this correctly?  
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Good luck MDAW

 

I would not get too many new thoughts into your head because as docman said you may not get chance to mention many. Just stay calm and try and get the judge to listen to the points that docman stated above.

 

The actual wording used is very good and very powerful. If by chance you are asked to clarify anything further then that is when you would need any back up information handy.

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Hi MDAW .. I know how apprehensive you must be feeling right now ..its not nice is it?

BUT we are brave and we know we are strong just to have got this far.

 

My advice is ...get everything ready and in order

get your bag ready and get your clothes ready. make sure you know where everything is.

read your notes a couple of times ...practise in your head what you want to say ..tell yourself not to get rattled and remember what Docman advises .

If the DJ buts in just stop and you can apply to the Circuit Judge.

 

You will be fine :)

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Hi westie..

you really are gettin the best help possible now!

 

Very best of luck coming from me and i wish i could go with you tomorrow:( you are rising to the challange with ease and with Dad and Doc behind you your in good hands.

 

I will be waiting for your post tomorrow...GOOD LUCK my friend:D

 

love as always MJ:)

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My advice is ...get everything ready and in order

get your bag ready and get your clothes ready. make sure you know where everything is.

You will be fine :)

Thanks I forgot the obvious (honest!!!) my poor westie did not get his walk last night either with everything going on in my head right now, will be glad when things get back to normal (if ever!)

 

Thanks for your wishes everyone....I will post late on tomorrow afternoon with how I got on...but of course stay peeled tonight in the meantime to welcome any other comments/information with pleasure.

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MDAW,

 

Sorry, I had overlooked that you are going to a formal handing down of a judgment. I agree with Docmans approach, particularly:

 

the judge may interrupt at this point and deny you permission to appeal. If he does, do not argue.

 

The only thing I would add is to ask formally for the N460 as this a key document for any appeal. eg:

 

" I would be grateful if I could have the form N460 as soon as possible. I would draw your attention to paragraph 7.6.1 of the civil bench book where it says that an N460 should be handed to the prospective appellant at the end of the hearing."

 

Link here: http://www.jsboard.co.uk/publications/pdfs/7_appeals.pdf

 

HTH

 

Dad

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Hi MDAW

Good luck ! Like Gaz i will be thinking of you too :) x

Im happy to help with support and my own opinions but as i have no legal qualifications If I offer any thoughts to your problems please take it as from my life experience only and not of any legal standing. Always take further advice from the legal experts in your final action,

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MDAW,

 

 

" I would be grateful if I could have the form N460 as soon as possible. I would draw your attention to paragraph 7.6.1 of the civil bench book where it says that an N460 should be handed to the prospective appellant at the end of the hearing."

 

Link here: http://www.jsboard.co.uk/publications/pdfs/7_appeals.pdf

 

HTH

 

Dad

 

took me 10 days to get mine

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Well unlucky for me I got the same "FAMILY" Djudge today to hand me down my judgement. From that, it will be no surprise to know that he used his judiciary discretion and refused me permission to appeal.

 

Restons in there delight had attended too. It started with the Judge saying why we were there today & listening to both sides at the court hearing he was handing down his judgement, I had got that copy had I etc etc.

 

Then he went on to the costs that Restons had put forward at that hearing and what figure the judgement would arrive at. I piped up at that point that with regards to the costs (as he was tallying them up) I had tried everything to negotiate with them before all this came to court so if the costs could not be awarded...he went on discussing the fees listed with Restons then to the hourly rates, work involved that were listed.

 

When that moment of silence came I then started my sentence that Docman had suggested in wanting to apply for permission to appeal....(I wasnt interrupted) so made sure I referred to what acts had not been applied to CCA1974 under S61 etc. Failure to comply with the consumer credit (Enforcement,Default & Termination notices) regulations 1983. How no valid Default Notice with the prescribed period allowed to rectify any breach was ever presented accurately and in line with the CCA197. That it was a legal requirement to allow me no less than 14 days from receipt of service to remedy any breach as detailed in schedule 2 of the Consumer Credit (Enforcement, Default and Termination Notice) Regulations 1983.

 

I then continued on regarding the Interpretation Act 1978 section 7 Practice Service of Documents and its statement here Tuesday would have been the earliest it could have been served to me had it been 1st class & 2nd class would have been the Thursday ...also if CPR6.26 had been incorrectly applied in this instance? 6.26 makes it 2 Business days & the DN posted on the Friday would have still been the Tuesday NOT the Monday as 6.2b Business day means any day except Sat, Sun a bank hol etc. I was still putting them to strict proof.

 

I then concluded with what DAD had suggested in being grateful if I could have the form N460 etc

 

Restons had been scribbling away during all this but then came in to remind the judge how (cant remember if they said the words contest the appeal) as what outcome had already been decided from the judges points raised had already been based on that information already (or something to that effect!!).

 

Thats when my skeleton bits came in handy as I was then able to point to each of the following.:-

judgement comment no's 15, referring to me receiving a copy of "agreement". I clarified to them what my Amended defence no.21 had stated here & not referred to it as an agreement, it was a "Priority Request Form"

Judgement No. 17 There IS no signature on this priority request form yet it states here it does?

and Judgement 23 does not comply as per Legislation (Consumer credit Act 1974) (stayed clear of the words S78 as Docman said)

AND Judgement no 20/21 The DN DID NOT give me 2 business days, The DN was dated 9Jan (FRI) How can this be delivered on Monday 12th, Monday is not the 2nd buisness day after posting Tuesday would have been.

 

I came across quite calmly but firm to be honest as I wanted to get it all down for the record, so stood my ground.

 

The judge having listened then concluded in his decision he was not going to grant the appeal. I asked could I have the form anyway, he did not have one to hand but he would get one from his usher if I waited outside. What he has put on is hard to decipher though unless your good at joined up reading at its worst!!!

 

The only thing I did get in my favour was having the costs that Restons had summitted almost halfed, however I don’t think quite honestly this was down to me only for the fact the woman from Restons could not clarify fully as to what the costings stated had involved.

 

So that’s my time in court today….falling on this Family Djudge twice now who either hasn’t the knowledge or care to be bothered with it IMO.

 

NEXT..........

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I would not consider this a failure. You put your points over calmly but the decision was already made.

 

You managed to put your points across which will no doubt be remembered by the judge although it did not help you today.

 

You did well.

 

Pedross

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Unlucky MDAW,

You seemed to be having a dialogue with the deaf.

Was it not possible to ask why he apparently changed his mind and why had it taken so long for the judgement to be delivered.This in itself seems an abuse of process.

Whats next?

Pat

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I would agree with Pedross - you were never going to change the decision, and in particular I dont think asking him why he seemed to have changed his mind in between the previous hearing and handing down the judgement would have profited you much. I mean its hardly likely he is going to admit to a mistake in open court? On the other hand, both these things are ammunition for the appeal.

At least Reston's got their costs well clipped.

So that's you done part 1 - got through today which was never going to go your way. What you need to focus on now is getting the appeal right, which is particularly important as you have a good case.

Keep your chin up! :)

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I really don't know where the whole process of courts is being directed from. an application for SJ should either be either be dismissed or granted without too much deliberation, if it takes someone time outside that allocated on the day then there is clearly a triable issue and should be dismissed.

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Thanks guys.....It beggars belief in what was my point in saying anything at all ....I missed more things too to be honest like the S69 bit in the POC, I suppose I could have gone on + on + on but like Pedross & SFU said, his mind was already made up!!! Which Restons was well chuffed by.:mad:

 

Next......I would appreciate any next fountains of knowledge to assist me with the appeal procedures.....SFU what you said about Maladministration as Humbleman just pointed out shouldnt this be something to add to the pot too?

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Next......I would appreciate any next fountains of knowledge to assist me with the appeal procedures.....SFU what you said about Maladministration as Humbleman just pointed out shouldnt this be something to add to the pot too?

 

For an appeal you will need the judgment transcript. was he a DJ if so then you make the appeal at the same court.

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Thanks guys.....It beggars belief in what was my point in saying anything at all ....I missed more things too to be honest like the S69 bit in the POC, I suppose I could have gone on + on + on but like Pedross & SFU said, his mind was already made up!!! Which Restons was well chuffed by.:mad:

 

Next......I would appreciate any next fountains of knowledge to assist me with the appeal procedures.....SFU what you said about Maladministration as Humbleman just pointed out shouldnt this be something to add to the pot too?

 

 

Bad luck MDAW, but don't give up. We all have to stumble before we can learn to walk, and I am sure that you have learned a many a thing during all this. To get justice these days you have to fight, keep a strong mind and be determined and you will get there in the end.

The problem is that we know what we want, it's just finding the right way to get it, and as we are no experts in the areas of laws and are up against these big boys with the gift of the gab leaves us sometimes in quite a difficult position when we are in court.

All is not lost and hopefully someone with more knowledge will pull you out of this hole soon. I am not giving up on my case even though its been going on since time began but I know that I will get there in the end, and I wish you the best and good luck in your battle against these critters:)

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Thanks for your kind words Fretful38 & Humbleman, thanks for the links, along with your own link threads I will spend this coming weekend fathoming out my next course of uphill actions!!

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Hi all,

excuse my thickness, but can someone explain that if the DJ has not given permission to appeal, how comw MDAW can appeal.

Am I missing something?

Pat

 

After the trial judge has refused permission, you are allowed to make a second application for permission to the appeal court, in this case the local circuit judge. This request will first be considered by the judge alone just reading the papers. If permission to appeal is again refused you have a further 7 days to request a hearing, where you can ask for permission to appeal in person. If permission to appeal is refused at this stage its game over.

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