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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
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Sorry if you misunderstood me Brummie but Bryan Carter is a branch of Crellins Carter based at Freds nerbve centre in DeHavilland Drive, Weybridge. The Law Society website shows no partners or solicitors are based there. Head office is Crellins Carters, 111 Queens Road, Weybridge, KT13 9 UW

 

Surprisingly the firms website makes no reference to the branch. It states the firm "operates from a single modern office in Weybridge"

 

They claim to be "a Surrey based niche private client practice with a national reputation" - that is perfectly true alyhough the reputuation may not be one that others wouldlike!

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Carter has had his 28 days to reply to my complaint, now its time to go looking for him via SRA and others ie the ombudsman etc.

 

Watch this space

 

BB

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Hi ODC

 

personally i wouldnt bother reporting him to the FOS, they have no teeth,and as far as i can see there is little they could do to carters

 

i would report him to the people who deal with professional conduct of solicitors like the SRA for starters

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Whilst I agree that the FOS appear to have no teeth I still feel its important that the actions of this mand are brought to the notice of as many 'official bodies' as possible. I believe that some time someone in these bodies will grasp the nettle and deal properly with all these people who break the rules

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Absolutley, but i would go for the throat, Trading Standards, OFT, Law society, SRA, Member of Parliament , Ministry of Justice

I have been advocating contact with your MP for some time now,

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Update,

 

Finally got a response from BC regarding my letters to them after 12 weeks!!!!!.

 

Letter say that "We have discontinued proceedings for commercial reasons and the debt remains outstanding"

 

Also states that they are "no longer instructed in connection in this matter" with any further queries directed to OC direct.

 

Also enclosed was a copy of their complaints procedure!!! with specific names of people to write to and appeals procedure etc.

 

This means they have admitted defeat, and so it goes back to Egg.

 

Time to write a nice letter regarding time wasting, abuse of procedure and charge for my time me thinks.

 

Beau

 

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BB you have broken the rules. Were you not aware that you were just suppose to roll over and let Bryan get Judgement by Default. I think you have been grossly unfair to him. He will probably have to claim his fees from Egg.

 

Make sure you report him to the SRA

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BB you have broken the rules. Were you not aware that you were just suppose to roll over and let Bryan get Judgement by Default. I think you have been grossly unfair to him. He will probably have to claim his fees from Egg.

 

Make sure you report him to the SRA

 

He has only broken the rules of the Bryan Carter empire, not the law of the land, therefore i support him wholeheartedly

Please note i have no legal training any advice i give comes from my own experience and from what i have learned on this site

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Hi BB, Its Q, you may not remember me, its nice to see you are still around CAG.

 

Any update to the contents of your post # 60?

 

We never heard another thing from BC after he got a CCJ on my OH and he had only sued for his fees. CCJ was satisfied he tried to get the balance, I confronted him on the phone and told him to put his request in writing, he never did and we have never heard another thing. That was a year ago now.

 

I have a CCJ awarded a year ago from a bottom feeder company and they have done the same thing.

Only sued for part of the balance. I'm trying to get it sorted so I can pay by installments and satisfy this ccj.

 

I was just wondering how you got on with your complaints.

 

cheers Q.x.

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Hi BB, Its Q, you may not remember me, its nice to see you are still around CAG.

 

Any update to the contents of your post # 60?

 

We never heard another thing from BC after he got a CCJ on my OH and he had only sued for his fees. CCJ was satisfied he tried to get the balance, I confronted him on the phone and told him to put his request in writing, he never did and we have never heard another thing. That was a year ago now.

 

I have a CCJ awarded a year ago from a bottom feeder company and they have done the same thing.

Only sued for part of the balance. I'm trying to get it sorted so I can pay by installments and satisfy this ccj.

 

I was just wondering how you got on with your complaints.

 

cheers Q.x.

 

Hi Q,

 

Nice to see you are still around on these forums too!!

 

Well BC replied to my complaint and mitigated with a couple of well rehearsed excuses, and I never pushed it any further which I know I should have done. All went quiet for a few months, then I had a letter from Lowell Portfolio asking for the full balance, so I have sent them the usual stuff "acc in dispute" etc.

 

Then Lowell came up with the agreement!!! but it is unenforceable. Just when they sent me the agreement and statements etc they also sent a seperate letter saying that they were no longer chasing for the balance!! very strange?? So that was about the start of Feb and I have heard nothing since, so if there are any more serious developments I will update the thread.

 

I have other problems more serious at the moment such as a High court Writ of Fi Fa against me which I am taking down the N245 Route at the moment to get a variation of a judgment for another one of my debts.

 

But one thing is for sure, I would not have had the confidence to deal with this stuff without all of the good caggers support and knowledge!!!

 

All the best to you.

 

Beau

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Long time since posting on this thread - but just to prove the account has never gone away,

 

I have a question for the legal bods,

 

Can Lowell legally issue proceedings to try to enforce payment - bear in mind that Bryan Carter have tried once and discontinued?

 

Getting alot of pressure from Lowell who I think are going to try to go CCJ route for enforcement.

 

Thanks

 

Beau

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yep :(

 

if it's still with the OC they may have to get permission - not sure about that

but if Lowells have bought it they can bring a new action.

 

However if Lowells have bought it that obviously opens up a whole new line of investigation as well.

 

Generally BC only deals with 'faulty' accounts so, not having read your thread, there may be something wrong anyway.

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Looking at your sig - it may be the Egg account - if it is, demand a copy of the DN :D - quite apart from the 'other issues' with Egg accounts

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Looking at your sig - it may be the Egg account - if it is, demand a copy of the DN :D - quite apart from the 'other issues' with Egg accounts

 

 

Hi gh2008,

 

It is for an Egg account and a link to the DN is here :

 

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/debt-collection-industry/138599-bryan-carter-what-coincidence-2.html#post1479986

 

I never had any opinions at the time of posting, as to validity of DN. Egg sold the account to Lowell around October 2008 I think.

 

I asked for the CCA (std s77/78request) in Jan 09 which they initially wrote and said they could not find the agg and the matter was closed!!. Then about a week later I had a copy of the agreement - on closer inspection, it is definitley not the original document but has been put together with my signature on it from an amalgamation of bits of Egg paperwork. The signature is genuine so they have reconstituted what it would have looked like.

 

So at this time the DN is about all I have to go on unless you know different?

 

Thanks for looking in

 

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They are not allowed to reconstitute an agreement with your signature !!!

 

They also will not have a proper record when when and how the DN was sent.

 

Wait for them to act and get heavy and then pounce.

When you get a letter threatening a claim against you I would reply acknowledging their 'letter before claim' and state that in order for you to make a proper reply you need further info etc. Then make that letter into a CPR31.16 request for the agreement, DN, NOA DOA & statements etc. All absolutely required in order for them to prove an action against you and for you to answer them.

 

It *may* be an idea to get a SAR off to EGG - it is always surprising what these turn up .... (I would always send one off to the OC when you think court action may follow)

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*****Update*****

 

Had a couple of further letters from Lowell with the usual threats and also yesterday from their in house collection dept "Hampton Legal"

 

Time for CPR 31.16 me thinks!!

 

Beau

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