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    • further polished WS using above suggestions and also included couple of more modifications highlighted in orange are those ok to include?   Background   1.1  The Defendant received the Parking Charge Notice (PCN) on the 06th of January 2020 following the vehicle being parked at Arla Old Dairy, South Ruislip on the 05th of December 2019.   Unfair PCN   2.1  On 19th December 2023 the Defendant sent the Claimant's solicitors a CPR request.  As shown in Exhibit 1 (pages 7-13) sent by the solicitors the signage displayed in their evidence clearly shows a £60.00 parking charge notice (which will be reduced to £30 if paid within 14 days of issue).  2.2  Yet the PCN sent by the Claimant is for a £100.00 parking charge notice (reduced to £60 if paid within 30 days of issue).   2.3        The Claimant relies on signage to create a contract.  It is unlawful for the Claimant to write that the charge is £60 on their signs and then send demands for £100.    2.4        The unlawful £100 charge is also the basis for the Claimant's Particulars of Claim.  No Locus Standi  3.1  I do not believe a contract with the landowner, that is provided following the defendant’s CPR request, gives MET Parking Services a right to bring claims in their own name. Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. Therefore, there can be no contract established between MET Parking Services and the motorist. Even if “Parking in Electric Bay” could form a contract (which it cannot), it is immaterial. There is no valid contract.  Illegal Conduct – No Contract Formed   4.1 At the time of writing, the Claimant has failed to provide the following, in response to the CPR request from myself.   4.2        The legal contract between the Claimant and the landowner (which in this case is Standard Life Investments UK) to provide evidence that there is an agreement in place with landowner with the necessary authority to issue parking charge notices and to pursue payment by means of litigation.   4.3 Proof of planning permission granted for signage etc under the Town and country Planning Act 1990. Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
    • Well the difference is that in all our other cases It was Kev who was trying to entrap the motorist so sticking two fingers up to him and daring him to try court was from a position of strength. In your case, sorry, you made a mistake so you're not in the position of strength.  I've looked on Google Maps and the signs are few & far between as per Kev's MO, but there is an entrance sign saying "Pay & Display" (and you've admitted in writing that you knew you had to pay) and the signs by the payment machines do say "Sea View Car Park" (and you've admitted in writing you paid the wrong car park ... and maybe outed yourself as the driver). Something I missed in my previous post is that the LoC is only for one ticket, not two. Sorry, but it's impossible to definitively advise what to so. Personally I'd probably gamble on Kev being a serial bottler of court and reply with a snotty letter ridiculing the signage (given you mentioned the signage in your appeal) - but it is a gamble.  
    • No! What has happened is that your pix were up-to-date: 5 hours' maximum stay and £100 PCN. The lazy solicitors have sent ancient pictures: 4 hours' maximum stay and £60 PCN. Don't let on!  Let them be hoisted by their own lazy petard in the court hearing (if they don't bottle before).
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Advice Please,

 

Had Egg card circa 2001, long story but struggled with payments had payment plan with them until account passed on to Fredricksons. Agreed further payments which I have been keeping up until just before last Xmas. Had various letters from Fredricksons and Bryan Carter during that period both chasing same thing.

 

Last week having gained a bit of experience on CAG with other CCA requests, decided to send CCA request on this account. BC would have it today (Sent Recorded). When I get home from work today as if by magic I have a letter from BC saying that they Have issued litigation procedings and I will receive papers in the next 48 hours. They have quoted what looks like a court ref no.

 

Coincidence or what !!

 

So our letters have crossed in the post. Can I just rely on CCA request and enter that as a defence if the said papers arrive.

 

Thoughts please

 

Beau

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Right then, true to their word, BC have issued a claim from Northampton CC bulk centre,

The claim is dated yesterday and is only a partial claim it is only just over 5% of the outstanding balance.

 

Need some help please !!

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Ok I will give this theory a shot with a few facts,

 

CCA request was received by BC yesterday posted 12 April so by my reckoning if no enforceable agreement is forthcoming by 30 April I can go a defence of no enforceable agreement.

 

The reasoning is that Claim served date is 5 days after claim issue date.

Issue date 14 April so 5 days = 18 April deemed as served.

 

I must reply by 14 days from 18 April which I make to be 2 May so BC cannot legally enter Judgement by default before that date.

 

So my theory is even though it is tight, as long as get my N9 in by 1 May I should be ok.

 

Anybody agree with me or am I just clutching at straws here ?

 

Beau

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Doesn't matter at this stage now whether they comply in time with your CCA request. You are entitled to demand that they produce it as you will be able to ask for it in disclosure. I think they are hoping to scare you now, so don't let them.

 

Get one of the guys who is clued up on the court stuff to help you. Obviously you will be defending, and I take it you'll want everything moved to your local court. That in itself will p!ss them off, as I'd imagine they were hoping you'd fold at the first hurdle and not even bother to turn up, thus winning by default. Sounds to me like they are desperately trying to get a win in sharpish cos they know they'll struggle with beating a s127 defence.

 

Make no mistake... if you don't defend, they WILL win by default even if THEY are in default of your CCA request.

 

I have a feeling that they might have shot themselves in the foot with trying to beat the clock here. I hope so anyway.

 

Try getting hold of TomTerm to help with the court stuff. It might be an idea to talk to your local court now anyway, and see how helpful they are likely to be.

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Also, it looks as though Carter is claiming for his fees only (again) This is in contravention of the Solicitors' code, and should be reported to the Solicitors' Regulation Authority without delay

I am a lawyer, but I am an academic lawyer. I do not practice as a barrister or solicitor. You should consult a practising Solicitor BEFORE taking any Court or other action

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Thanks for your input people,

 

Seahorse ---- I will be defending thats for sure. Its just been bad luck that BC has issued the claim simultaneously as my CCA request.

 

Rameses------ If I were to complain, do you have an address to write to I have looked around and it seems there are several legal bodies that I could inform ?

 

Regards

 

Beau

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Ok heres what you should do, within 14 days of the date on the claim form you must complete acknowledgment of service you can do this online the details will be on the claim form this will give you 28 days plus 5 days for service (so a total of 33 days) in which to file a defense, i would also send brian carter a request for information under CPR (civil procedure rules), sent recorded of course which they must comply with within 14 days, good luck :)

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Just to update you all.

 

Thanks for all your kind help

 

I am sending a CPR request to BC, that request requires BC to send their complaints procedure, probably won't get anywhere but I think I should be seen to be trying before going SRA route.

 

Regards

 

Beau

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Your request for info under disclosure rules should include a request for ALL info that they intend to rely on in order to bring the action. This will include the original agreement, if one exists. And although the CCA allows for a COPY of an agreement in order to satisfy their obligation to a CCA request, in court they will need THE agreement, or a TRUE copy. As their whole case will hinge on this, it is pure folly for them to try to proceed without it.

 

Of course, part of your defence will be that without it, BC are fecked.

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Thanks Seahorse,

 

Just checked my copy of CPR request and it does ask for "Any other documents you seek to rely on in court"

 

Hope that is strong enough !!

 

Beau

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Beau the best thing you can do is post any letters or requests on here first to get them checked over before sending, obviously without any personal details on them or reference numbers :)

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Hi Boro,

 

I found the CPR request from another thread posted up by Tomterm I think--, so it should be ok :cool:

 

Beau

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Ok I will give this theory a shot with a few facts,

 

CCA request was received by BC yesterday posted 12 April so by my reckoning if no enforceable agreement is forthcoming by 30 April I can go a defence of no enforceable agreement.

 

Yes, if the creditor fails to comply FULLY with a s78(1) request then they cannot enforce the agreement

 

78(6) If the creditor under an agreement fails to comply with subsection (1)—

(a) he is not entitled, while the default continues, to enforce the agreement;

and

(b) if the default continues for one month he commits an offence.

 

As you receive documents, scan them in, remove personal info (but leave figures if you can) and the post them up (via photobucket is easiest)

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Ref Storm

 

Default Notice says

 

Credit Limit xxxxxxx

Arrears xxxxxxxx

Balance xxxxxx

 

Then refers me to the T&Cs followed by :

 

Must remedy Breach (Arrears) by (date given)

 

Then threatens action, or no action depending on my response to the notice.

 

Sorry I don't have enough experience with these things to tell if that is a proper document or not.

 

Beau

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Ref Storm

 

Default Notice says

 

Credit Limit xxxxxxx

Arrears xxxxxxxx

Balance xxxxxx

 

Then refers me to the T&Cs followed by :

 

Must remedy Breach by (date given)

 

Then threatens action, or no action depending on my response to the notice.

 

Sorry I don't have enough experience with these things to tell if that is a proper document or not.

 

Beau

 

Can you scan it or take a digi pic & post it? (after removing personal info)

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Hi pt2537,

 

Particulars as follows;

 

The claimant claims XXX.XX such sum being part of a debt due under an agreement Number XXXXXX (the Agreement) whereby the defendant agreed to pay the claimant xxxx.xx (The Debt)

 

For the avoidance of doubt in making this claim for part of the debt, the claimant does not waive any rights as to the balance of the debt, which the defendant continues to owe to to the claimant under the agreement. The claimant reserves the right to make further claim for such sums of the debt as remain outstanding.

 

Signed Bryan Carter

 

And thats it, thanks pt

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Hi pt2537,

 

Particulars as follows;

 

The claimant claims XXX.XX such sum being part of a debt due under an agreement Number XXXXXX (the Agreement) whereby the defendant agreed to pay the claimant xxxx.xx (The Debt)

 

For the avoidance of doubt in making this claim for part of the debt, the claimant does not waive any rights as to the balance of the debt, which the defendant continues to owe to to the claimant under the agreement. The claimant reserves the right to make further claim for such sums of the debt as remain outstanding.

 

Signed Bryan Carter

 

And thats it, thanks pt

 

OH REALLY,

 

another Carters special eh?

 

well Mr Carter when are you going to learn that your particulars of claim are UNLAWFUL

 

section 35 of the County Courts Act 1984 makes it unlawful to split the cause of action into two separate claims

 

Have you made a CPR request to them yet? if not its something that needs to be done as a matter of urgency

 

also what time frames are we looking at for your defence?

 

what is the latest it needs to be with the court

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