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    • Thank you for posting up the required details and well done for apparently not revealing the identity of the driver. I am assuming you are the keeper? The depth of ignorance of the parking companies is absolutely amazing. The Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 Schedule 4 is the law relating to private parking and allows those rogues to be able to transfer the charge from the driver [whose name they do not know] to the keeper after 28 days . This is dependent on them complying with the Act. So many of the don't and Alliance is no different. It would help if we could see what you appeal was and to post the back of the PCN as it is lacking so much of the wording necessary to make it compliant so that in your case only the driver is liable to pay the charge. And of course just entering the ANPR arrival times means that they have failed to specify the parking time which is a requirement..  Because the car park was so busy you had to drive around for quite a while before finally finding a place to park which is when the parking period may  actually begin. The poor dears at Alliance have not grasped that particular part of the legislation as yet. To be fair the Act has only been in place for 12 years so one must make allowances for their stupidity . We shouldn't really mock them- but it is fun. You weren't to know but the chances of winning an appeal against Alliance and the IPC is around 5%-and that is high for them. If they allow you to cancel they lose the chance of making money and they would have had a field day when you were there with so many people being caught overstaying because of the chaos in trying to find a parking space then trying to pay.  Your snotty letter could go something like this- Dear Cretins, Yes I mean you Alliance. After 12 years one would have thought that even you could produce a compliant PCN. Did you really think I would pay you a penny extra considering the time I wasted trying  to pay with  long queues at the parking machine, then trying to get a signal to call Just Park. On top of that you then had the cheek to ask for an additional £70 for what dubious unspecified pleasure? You must have made a killing that day charging all those motorists for overstaying because the queues to pay were do long and even walking to pay from the over flow parking fields takes time. And yes I did take photos of the non existent signs in the fields so please don't give me the usual rubbish about your signs being clearly visible. Oh yes that £70. Please tell me and the Court whether that charge included VAT and if it did, why am I being charged to pay your vat? I am sure the Judge would look carefully at that as well as the Inland Revenue. The truth is you had no reasonable cause to ask the DVLA for my data given the chaos at your car park and I believe that you therefore breached my GDPR...................... I expect others will give their views as well.          
    • opps this is going to get messy then if they don't refund. you should never keep util accounts in credit.
    • https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/news/motoring-news/new-private-parking-code-to-launch-in-the-uk-later-this-year/ The newly created gov petition 'Immediately Reintroduce Private Parking Code of Practice' is from Stanley Luckhurst, the 85-year-old old Excel Parking took to court. Excel lost the case and the pensioner's been campaigning for regulation of PPCs since this unpleasant experience. https://www.bucksfreepress.co.uk/news/24085471.gerrards-cross-pensioner-takes-nightmarish-private-parking/ I would urge anyone on this forum who supports the petition statement "We believe the private parking industry is trending toward anarchy and must be brought to order by re-launching the Government Code immediately" to sign and share it. 168 signings at 4pm today https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/660922 If the gov new parking code is not launched before parliament dissolves (for the general election) then the legislation is at great risk of being shelved. And we'll be stuck with ATAs new joint code which does not address motorists issues such as a cap on parking charges, debt recovery or an independent appeal process.  https://www.parliament.uk/site-information/glossary/wash-up/
    • It was mostly taken from credit within the account left over from excess direct debits over the past year. 
    • not looking very hopeful then... there is usually an account comms or manual intervention notes where call  operators have typed notes.... not in the SAR? dx    
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We have had the threats of doorstep collection agents coimng to my home as a result of a debt of a near relative.

These threats have been going on for the last five years, and I have seen noone .

Each 6 months the debt gets sold on and a different company starts with the letters again.

As with all junk mail at my home lasts 7 seconds. That is the time it takes to pick it up, walk to the litter bin and dispose of same.

These debt collection people have no powers at all, and are like a PPC, can be ignored totally.

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Very sorry Wopag, but if you patronise pig swill merchants you deserve to be done for something. Sincerely hope you didn't subject young children to MuckDonalds.

 

How is that comment suppose to help Wopag?

Please remember our troops, fighting and dying in our name. God protect them.

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none at all. the bill for this response is 60 pounds rising to 100 pounds if not paid withing 14 days. Are you going to pay me ?. I didn't think so. why on earth you pay the PPC is beyond me. Could you explain how the person (they are not a warden) associates people in McDs with vehicles. and how they find out out their names and addresses ? sorry but this sounds so weird...

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They come into the restaurant and ask which car belongs to you, If your not there to give your registration they go back out and put a ticket on the car!

This is 100% True and the way they do it at this Mcdonalds...

 

The private company they use is MET.

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Tell them to mind their own business.

 

This could be anyone who is seeing how long you are likely to be and if it is long enough then go steal your car as it wont be reported for another hour and they could be long gone by then.

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Hi ArealEngineer,

Could you answer Crem's question, why do you always pay these totally unenforceable invoices?

You are actually encouraging them:)

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Its clearly not just anyone they are in full uniform while they ask and will even get the manager to confirm what they are doing!

 

I think you have been watching to much TV.....

 

So if anyone comes up to you in a uniform (any uniform) you will do as they say??:roll:

 

I smell a PPC troll here:D

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Lamma

 

They come into the restaurant and ask which car belongs to you, If your not there to give your registration they go back out and put a ticket on the car!

This is 100% True and the way they do it at this Mcdonalds...

 

The private company they use is MET.

 

what preposterous behaviour. tell them to get lost. and of course when the driver is not the owner you have to say 'none of them'.. I take it is the outlet in Bedfont Lane, Feltham. Middlesex. TW13 4AL we got any regulars who live near there who feel the 'McNeed' ? seems that MET is cruising for a bruising on this one.

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I have had a few tickets in Mcdonalds Feltham, Middlesex

which I have always paid. Before they issue a ticket there warden does a survey of the store to check if your in there! Does this make a difference??

 

I'm sorry, but I really do smell troll on this one.

 

1st. If AreaEngineer was in the McDs at the time surely he / she would have avoided a ticket - if he wasn't in how did he / she know the "warden" came in to the restaurant.

 

2nd. "I always pay them" = more money than sense, if you thought they were payable, you'd alter your behaviour accordingly.

 

There are two possible explanations, either this is PPC spin or alternatively, AreaEngineer is a congenital moron. The outcome is the same, opinions expressed have no validity and must be discounted.

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There are two possible explanations, either this is PPC spin or alternatively, AreaEngineer is a congenital moron.

 

Why does it have to be an either or answer BB? Can't ArealEngineer be a congenital moron working for a PPC? :D

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I don't work for them! I just cant understand if you don't say "Yes its my car" you are guarenteed to get a ticket....

And the reason I know about the survey is when I have been in Mcdonalds they have been doing it! I have also had tickets when I have parked in there and gone to use the cash machine.

When you write to them they also reply "You was not in the store when our warden carried out a survey"

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Crem, Barnsley Boy

 

I Don't get the attack at me I was just saying what most clearly don't know that PPC carry out restaurant surveys before giving tickets!

 

And to answer the question why do I pay these fines?

 

Because I had no idea they had no chance of getting the money off you! Don't worry I hoping that now I get another one just so I can tell them where to go!

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so what - they can survey all they like. No one has to respond and this 'survey' does not establish a contract. And it is the RK who will get the invoice (it is NOT a ticket). many times it is not the owner who is driving. just one of the many ways that PPCs fall down. Sorry MET - try again. I am sure our regulars from the area will feel the 'McNeed' soon. Seems a great way to get MET to waste a lot of money on postage so this could be useful. maybe we should have a large scale meet there. Areal, any ideas what days and times they send their employees around to do the 'survey ? you seem to have fallen for this silly [problem] often enough to know.

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was not attacking - you have fallen for a [problem]. you need to know that and how to handle it in future. so does anyone reading this thread. I thought the only thing I had 'attacked' in this thread was MET. You have done us a favour as it is good to know where people are guaranteed to have invoices issued. I know full well the issues MET is facing.....

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