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    • Including Default Notice Andy? Ok, I think this is the best I can do.. it all makes sense with references to their WS. They have included exhibits that dates don't match the WS about them, small but still.. if you're going to reference letters giving dates, then the exhibits should be correct, no? I know I redacted them too much, but one of the dates differs to the WS by a few months. IN THE ******** County Court Claim No. [***] BETWEEN: LC Asset 2 S.A.R.L CLAIMANT AND [***] DEFENDANT ************ _________________________ ________ WITNESS STATEMENT OF [***] _________________________ ________ I, [***], being the Defendant in this case will state as follows; I make this Witness Statement in support of my defence in this claim. 1. I understand that the claimant is an Assignee, a buyer of defunct or bad debts, which are bought on mass portfolios at a much-reduced cost to the amount claimed and which the original creditors have already written off as a capital loss and claimed against taxable income as confirmed in the claimant’s witness statement exhibit by way of the Deed of Assignment. As an assignee or creditor as defined in section 189 of the CCA this applies to this new requirement on assignment of rights. This means that when an assignee purchases debts (or otherwise acquires rights under a credit agreement) it also acquires certain obligations to the borrower including the duty to comply with CCA requirements (such as the rules on statements and notices and other post-contractual information). The assignee becomes the creditor under the agreement. This ensures that essential consumer protections under the CCA cannot be circumvented by assigning the debt to a third party. 2. The Claim relates to an alleged Credit Card agreement between the Defendant and Bank of Scotland plc. Save insofar of any admittance it is accepted that the Defendant has had contractual agreements with Bank of Scotland plc in the past, the Defendant is unaware as to what alleged debt the Claimant refers. 3. The Defendant requested a copy of the CCA on the 24/12/2022 along with the standard fee of £1.00 postal order, to which the defendant received a reply from the Claimant dated 06/02/2023. To this date, the Claimant has failed to disclose a valid agreement and proof as per their claim that this is enforceable, that Default Notice and Notice of Assignment were sent to and received by the Defendant, on which their claim relies. The Claimant is put to strict proof to verify and confirm that the exhibit *** is a true copy of the agreement and are the true Terms and Conditions as issued at the time of inception of the online application and execution of the agreement. 4. Point 3 is noted. The Claimant pleads that a default notice has been served upon the defendant as evidenced by Exhibit [***]. The claimant is put to strict proof to verify the service of the above in accordance with s136 and s196 Law of Property Act 1925. 5. Point 6 is noted and disputed. The Defendant cannot recall ever having received the notice of assignment as evidenced in the exhibit marked ***. The claimant is put to strict proof to verify the service of the above in accordance with s136 and s196 Law of Property Act 1925. 6. Point 11 is noted and disputed. See 3. 7. Point 12 is noted, the Defendant doesn’t recall receiving contact where documentation is provided as per the Claimants obligations under CCA. In addition, the Claimant pleads letters were sent on dates given, yet those are not the letters evidenced in their exhibits *** 8. Point 13 is noted and denied. Claimant is put to strict proof to prove allegations. 9. The Claimant did not provide a true copy of the CCA in response to the Defendants request of 24/12/2022. The Claimant further claims that the documents are sufficient to pursue a Judgement and are therefore copies of original documents in their possession. Conclusion 10. Without the Claimant providing a valid true copy of the executed Credit agreement that complies with the CCA, the Claimant has no grounds on which to enforce this alleged debt. 11. The Defendant was not given ample evidence to prove the debt and therefore was not required to enter settlement negotiations. Should the debt be proved in the future, the Defendant is willing to enter such negotiations with the Claimant. On receipt of this claim I could not recall the precise details of the agreement or any debt and sought clarity from the claimant by way of a Section 78 request. The Claimant failed to comply. I can only assume as this was due to the Claimant not having any enforceable documentation and issuing a claim in hope of an undefended default judgment.   Statement of Truth I, ********, the Defendant, believe the facts stated within this Witness Statement to be true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in it’s truth. Signed: _________________________ _______ Dated: _____________________
    • AMEX and TSB the 2 Creditors who you need to worry about the least, ever!  Just stop paying them and forget about it, ignore all their threat o gram letters.  Only if, and with these 2 it's a massive if, you end up with a claim form you need to respond, and there will be plenty of help here.
    • No, nothing from Barclays. Turns out i have 2 accounts on here, and i posted originally on the other one. Sorry about that.  
    • Always send with proof of posting from your Post Office, so there is a trail. Conversations , are designed to intimidate into paying, Emails are designed as another way of bombarding. Only EVER communicate in writing, by post.  
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Hi Peeps

 

Sent a CCA request to HFC on 28Jan 2008, Signed for 29th Jan 2008.

Recieved today (05 Feb) a photocopy of loan agreement, no terms and conditions.

Along with a print out of the account and a settlment figure sheet.

 

My question is this. Does the CCA have to be the original because this looks like a photcopy of a faxed sheet. (at the bottom of the sheet is a line saying 'HFC Bank copy page 1 of ? (can't make out the other number as its blocked out by photo copy line)

Information on the CCA is refering to conditions overleaf, But there is no overleaf as they have not provided it.

Also do they have to provide t&c as was in force at the time of the cca.

 

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Hi Peeps

 

Sent a CCA request to HFC on 28Jan 2008, Signed for 29th Jan 2008.

Recieved today (05 Feb) a photocopy of loan agreement, no terms and conditions.

Along with a print out of the account and a settlment figure sheet.

 

My question is this. Does the CCA have to be the original because this looks like a photcopy of a faxed sheet. (at the bottom of the sheet is a line saying 'HFC Bank copy page 1 of ? (can't make out the other number as its blocked out by photo copy line)

Information on the CCA is refering to conditions overleaf, But there is no overleaf as they have not provided it.

Also do they have to provide t&c as was in force at the time of the cca.

 

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Hello Sharpman,

 

It would be great if the creditors sent us the original agreement, we could hide them.

 

Now there is a lot of discussion relating to what should actually be sent to you. There is the mammoth thread on this I will find the link to it, but it probably will take you a week or more to read.

 

Consumer Credit Act Agreements

 

Maybe this one as well, if your brain is not mashed

 

Guidelines - Requests For An Original Agreement Under The Consumer Credit Act 1974

 

My own view/opinion is that they should send you under section 77/78 of the CCA 1974, a copy of the true agreement, with the terms and condition applicable to the time of the loan/cc and a statement of the account to date.

 

The creditors will argue that they can send a copy of a credit agreement with all of the relevant information and can omit signatures.:o

 

If the case ever went to court, they would have to produce the original ca there.

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Hi,

 

After getting the CCA's I've now sent them a statement of means with a list of creditors etc and offer of pro rata payment.

 

I then get a letter back with the following content :

 

Account No ........

Thank you for your recent communication. In order to assess your ability, we require the following additional Information:

 

proof of household income, payslips etc......benefits ...

proof of secured loans

proof of hp - copy of agreement etc.

 

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They've asked for this info within 7 days of reciept of letter.

Once they have this info they will asses me for pro rata payments.

 

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I've already sent them a copy of I&E sheet with list of creditors etc on. and the pro rata schedule.

 

Are they being obstructive in their request. I begrudge sending them more information than i have to.

 

The I&E sheet that was sent was a result of a consultation with the CCCS, so the figures are pretty much accurate.

 

Any input appreciated.

 

Sharpman.

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you really need to scan this "Agreement" up on here for us to look at properly. If you register with Photobucket (free), this is fairly straightforward... but any probs. just shout.

 

How old is this loan... and is it a "loan" or a credit card ? When was it taken out ?

 

Don't forward them with any personal docs.:eek: and be very cagey about what you write back :cool: . HFC want to know if you own property and/or if you're working. Scan up the "Agreement first and we will take it from there.

 

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you really need to scan this "Agreement" up on here for us to look at properly. If you register with Photobucket (free), this is fairly straightforward... but any probs. just shout.

 

How old is this loan... and is it a "loan" or a credit card ? When was it taken out ?

 

Don't forward them with any personal docs.:eek: and be very cagey about what you write back :cool: . HFC want to know if you own property and/or if you're working. Scan up the "Agreement first and we will take it from there.

 

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Hi,

 

Copy of agreement as suggested.

There was only one sheet sent, but from what I can see from the bit at the bottom, it's 1 of possibly 3 pages.

 

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I'm not disputing that it's not signed as it clearly is, but they don't appear to have supplied the full agreement, as, in parts it refers to items on another sheet.

 

as i've said from a prvious post I've already sent them an I&E statement, so they are aware of secured debts etc.

 

Sharpman

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My own view/opinion is that they should send you under section 77/78 of the CCA 1974, a copy of the true agreement, with the terms and condition applicable to the time of the loan/cc and a statement of the account to date.

 

The creditors will argue that they can send a copy of a credit agreement with all of the relevant information and can omit signatures.:shock:

 

If the case ever went to court, they would have to produce the original ca there.

 

During 1985/1986 a major finance company I worked for put all their agreements on microfilm and destroyed the originals. This has been suprceded by electronic imaging. with the possible exception of large loans and mortgages, there are no originals.

 

David

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need somebody who is a financial wiz to take a peek at the following pdf.

 

HFC Statements queryedited .pdf

 

it contains amongst other things a CCA agreement. I need to know if its a good 'n (no t&cs came with this sheet.

 

My real question is relating to the statements.

 

Now, my contractual payment was £xx.xx I paid over and above the contractual payment.

 

in one statement they have the actual sum I paid with the running total.

in the other statement they've split the sum recieved in varying ways the split is not always the same. My question is, doing it that way has it disadvantaged me in any way. Hope that makes sense.

 

A DD question - when a DD is setup the reference number should theoreticaly be the ref of the account number its paying towards? this does not.

 

 

 

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Hi Sharpman,

 

On the face of it, this does look like an enforceable Agreement, but it's worth posting a query on the long CCA thread to have it checked out on there as well. I'll post a link in a minute.

 

Failing that, I'd go about re-claiming any unlawful charges on this one, whilst maintaining token payments.

 

Link is here...

 

Consumer Credit Act Agreements

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