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Definition of “Relevant contract” from the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4,  2 [1] means a contract Including a contract arising only when the vehicle was parked on the relevant land between the driver and a person who is-   (a) the owner or occupier of the land; or   (b) Authorised, under or by virtue of arrangements made by the owner or occupier of the land, to enter into a contract with the driver requiring the payment of parking charges in respect of the parking of the vehicle on the land. According to https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2006/46/section/44   For a contract to be valid, it requires a director from each company to sign and then two independent witnesses must confirm those signatures.   3.2  The Defendant requested to see such a contract in the CPR request.  The fact that no contract has been produced with the witness signatures present means the contract has not been validly executed. 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Lack of planning permission is a criminal offence under this Act and no contract can be formed where criminality is involved.   4.4        I also do not believe the claimant possesses these documents.   No Keeper Liability   5.1        The defendant was not the driver at the time and date mentioned in the PCN and the claimant has not established keeper liability under schedule 4 of the PoFA 2012. In this matter, the defendant puts it to the claimant to produce strict proof as to who was driving at the time.   5.2 The claimant in their Notice To Keeper also failed to comply with PoFA 2012 Schedule 4 section 9[2][f] while mentioning “the right to recover from the keeper so much of that parking charge as remains unpaid” where they did not include statement “(if all the applicable conditions under this Schedule are met)”.     5.3         The claimant did not mention parking period, times on the photographs are separate from the PCN and in any case are that arrival and departure times not the parking period since their times include driving to and from the parking space as a minimum and can include extra time to allow pedestrians and other vehicles to pass in front.    Protection of Freedoms Act 2012   The notice must -   (a) specify the vehicle, the relevant land on which it was parked and the period of parking to which the notice relates;  22. In the persuasive judgement K4GF167G - Premier Park Ltd v Mr Mathur - Horsham County Court – 5 January 2024 it was on this very point that the judge dismissed this claim.  5.4  A the PCN does not comply with the Act the Defendant as keeper is not liable.  No Breach of Contract   6.1       No breach of contract occurred because the PCN and contract provided as part of the defendant’s CPR request shows different post code, PCN shows HA4 0EY while contract shows HA4 0FY. According to PCN defendant parked on HA4 0EY which does not appear to be subject to the postcode covered by the contract.  6.2         The entrance sign does not mention anything about there being other terms inside the car park so does not offer a contract which makes it only an offer to treat,  Interest  7.1  It is unreasonable for the Claimant to delay litigation for  Double Recovery   7.2  The claim is littered with made-up charges.  7.3  As noted above, the Claimant's signs state a £60 charge yet their PCN is for £100.  7.4  As well as the £100 parking charge, the Claimant seeks recovery of an additional £70.  This is simply a poor attempt to circumvent the legal costs cap at small claims.  7.5 Since 2019, many County Courts have considered claims in excess of £100 to be an abuse of process leading to them being struck out ab initio. An example, in the Caernarfon Court in VCS v Davies, case No. FTQZ4W28 on 4th September 2019, District Judge Jones-Evans stated “Upon it being recorded that District Judge Jones- Evans has over a very significant period of time warned advocates (...) in many cases of this nature before this court that their claim for £60 is unenforceable in law and is an abuse of process and is nothing more than a poor attempt to go behind the decision of the Supreme Court v Beavis which inter alia decided that a figure of £160 as a global sum claimed in this case would be a penalty and not a genuine pre-estimate of loss and therefore unenforceable in law and if the practice continued, he would treat all cases as a claim for £160 and therefore a penalty and unenforceable in law it is hereby declared (…) the claim is struck out and declared to be wholly without merit and an abuse of process.”  7.6 In Claim Nos. F0DP806M and F0DP201T, District Judge Taylor echoed earlier General Judgment or Orders of District Judge Grand, stating ''It is ordered that the claim is struck out as an abuse of process. The claim contains a substantial charge additional to the parking charge which it is alleged the Defendant contracted to pay. This additional charge is not recoverabl15e under the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, Schedule 4 nor with reference to the judgment in Parking Eye v Beavis. It is an abuse of process from the Claimant to issue a knowingly inflated claim for an additional sum which it is not entitled to recover. This order has been made by the court of its own initiative without a hearing pursuant to CPR Rule 3.3(4)) of the Civil Procedure Rules 1998...''  7.7 In the persuasive case of G4QZ465V - Excel Parking Services Ltd v Wilkinson – Bradford County Court -2 July 2020 (Exhibit 4) the judge had decided that Excel had won. However, due to Excel adding on the £60 the Judge dismissed the case.  7.8        The addition of costs not previously specified on signage are also in breach of the Consumer Rights Act 2015, Schedule 2, specifically paras 6, 10 and 14.   7.9        It is the Defendant’s position that the Claimant in this case has knowingly submitted inflated costs and thus the entire claim should be similarly struck out in accordance with Civil Procedure Rule 3.3(4).   In Conclusion   8.1        I invite the court to dismiss the claim.  Statement of Truth  I believe that the facts stated in this witness statement are true. I understand that proceedings for contempt of court may be brought against anyone who makes, or causes to be made, a false statement in a document verified by a statement of truth without an honest belief in its truth.   
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Having suffered years of torment for the stupid financial mistakes of my youth I have come to the conclusion that the D.C.A.'s have actually driven me bonkers. Living in the house with another major debtor didn't help. It meant double the phone calls. On our land line, on our mobiles and some emails too bless them. Not to forget the lovely text messages as well. I first surfaced here in May to help my father. I think he may possibly have died if I hadn't found this site. He was suffering chest pains and was under severe stress. He recently turned 74. I did tell them all this and he wrote to them all as well, but they kept on ringing and ringing. Are they deranged or something? Everything is ok now. Not one call, text or email. All my debt is stat barred. It turns out all my dad's debt is unenforcable. We are not proud of this at all and half of our flat did willingly go to paying off these 'unsecured' debts a couple of years ago. The other half belongs to my mum and isn't ours to give. I can't deny I feel relieved, but my head just still isn't right. I think I have developed a deep rooted hatred for these companies and their methods. Whenever I visit the D.C.A. forum my blood begins to boil. I see all the stupid names like 'In Truth Just Idiots' and 'Crapquest' and it just annoys me. All the lies they tell. Every phone call I have ever had with a D.C.A. has contained a lie on their part I think. Can't they just make do with sending letters? Having jointly suffered with my father for a good 8 years I want to stick some pins in them. I think I would have a good case against them for mental damage actually. I envisage returning to some form of normality by the end of this year!!! Just thinking of all the other poor people who are soon to go through all this really does depress me though. What a complete and utter farce. I'm not looking for any sympathy and don't want this thread to be about me and my father. Just post here if you really feel you have been driven absolutely 'NUTS' by those lovely D.C.A.'s. It really is a special feeling! :D :D :D How on earth will I get by without them?

 

I feel like smoking a Hamlet after all that. :) :) :)

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I think I have developed a deep rooted hatred for these companies and their methods. Whenever I visit the D.C.A. forum my blood begins to boil. I see all the stupid names like 'In Truth Just Idiots' and 'Crapquest' and it just annoys me. All the lies they tell.

Yes I agree Ren :) Every DCA we've encountered has lied. Plus most if not all the posts on CAG show how they lie, again and again. Additionally, creditors lie.

We will not be intimidated.

'The pen is mightier than the sword'.

Petition to Outlaw Debt Sale and Purchase

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VIVA CAG!!! :)

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Nuts Nuts and totally banana's :D

Until I joined CAG I was barely eating and would sit by the phone dredding the next call. But all that's changed I now realise that you can fight back & reclaim not just your money but your sanity!!

I love getting phone calls and letters now and float around with a kick ass feeling in my belly:)

Let the boat out Rene and smoke 2 Hamlets why the hell not!!

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If what they try to do wasn't so inhumane, damaging and destructive, I think what CAG shows us, by challenging them, is that they're like really nasty kids. They're bullies and CAG pulls their pants down!

We will not be intimidated.

'The pen is mightier than the sword'.

Petition to Outlaw Debt Sale and Purchase

- can't read/post much as eye strain's v.bad.

VIVA CAG!!! :)

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Lying is SOP for DCAs - and, increasingly, banks and credit card companies.

 

I don't think I'd expect anything else from such a grubby industry; the staff with whom most of us deal are often, it seems, those who slept in on the day their local burger outlet was recruiting. They are badly-paid, poorly trained and will probably move on to something else after a short time.

 

My ire is reserved for those who know how these creatures operate, but deny and do nothing to stop it. Look at any DCA's website - they like to present themselves as normal corporate types, and make much of how they comply with the law and regulations - whilst knowing all along that they aren't. Original creditors, too, pretend that the DCAs they employ act legitimately.

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I have to agree with the above. It's only with the tacit agreement of the big financial houses that these pond life DCAs are allowed to continue with the practices they operate. I have only encountered two and they have both told outrageous lies in respect of their powers and what they can do to me. They know damn well they things they say are against standing regulations but if they keep it to the phone they can 'lose' their tapes or blame it on a rogue phone jokey if there's any major comeback.

 

They aren't vultures, vultures feed on carcasses. They're hyenas - they single out the weakest and most vulnerable and they nip and nip and nip until their prey is brought down.

 

I know for every one of us here who fight back and don't cave to their harassment there are probably dozens of people who don't know their rights and who pay up statue barred debts or even debts which were never there simply because they are frightened, old, sick and unknowing of their rights. It's that which makes me sick. I can't even say that it's not the fault of the employees of these companies as all the one's I've encountered have been rude, ignorant of their own legal standing, arrogant and totally lacking in any intelligence, common sense or sympathy.

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Every DCA i've encountered has lied. Plus most if not all the posts on CAG show how debtors lie, again and again. Additionally, creditors get lied to.

Well bless your heart, Mr Sensible - and I saw you here last night as well! :D

Isn't there a CAG law for vexatious trolling?

We will not be intimidated.

'The pen is mightier than the sword'.

Petition to Outlaw Debt Sale and Purchase

- can't read/post much as eye strain's v.bad.

VIVA CAG!!! :)

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funny this, i once knew a guy from the middle east that said it was agianst the law, and religion, to gain from someone elses misfortune

 

i thought it was a sound moral...things would change if our society if that was the case

 

i certainly feel much more in control

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Wise words, no-one should gain from someone elses misfortune.

 

Out of interest, where do you buy your clothes from and ever noticed who makes them? A british firm paying the minimum wage? No, they come from a sweatshop in Asia who pay the workers peanuts and they also have appalling conditions. Cheap clothes though!. Yep, your a hypocrite!

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Wise words, no-one should gain from someone elses misfortune.

 

Out of interest, where do you buy your clothes from and ever noticed who makes them? A british firm paying the minimum wage? No, they come from a sweatshop in Asia who pay the workers peanuts and they also have appalling conditions. Cheap clothes though!. Yep, your a hypocrite!

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I poted this as a lighthearted thread in The Bear Garden. Why was it moved? Now he has stumbled on it. :( :( :( I am not happy at all. Can his posts be removed? This thread is clearly supposed to be about folk being driven nuts by D.C.A.'s. Why can't he start his own 'D.C.A.'s Are Good Guys' thread? Go and find some friends.

What sort of world do you want your kids to grow up in?

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I know I'm in the minority, but it actually got to the point that I began to look forward to lowlife 'phoning me.

 

I would quite happily spend an hour or so (of their time & money) discussing Consumer Law & the morality (or more to the point immorality in their eyes) of being a debtor. They would philosophise, threaten & cojole. Oh how we laughed together, I even invited them to come & visit me, I mentioned that I would lay on something special for them as a treat and even promised to take my medication & hide all sharp objects, they said a 'doorstep collector' would visit, but alas no-one ever came:(

 

Oh how I do so miss my little anonymous friends, it's such a pity that the term 'Statute Barred' finally had some meaning to them. Never mind tho', maybe they'll pass my file on & I'll be able to make some new friends:D :D :D

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What is really hurtful with these DCA's tho' is their empty promises!

 

They promise you a day out (albeit it's only the local Court, but after all a date's a date & at my age beggars can't be choosers). So what do you do? In my case I dash down to 'Uncles' & redeem my best 'Bib & Tucker' (very smart it is, wrap around sleeves with nice shiney buckles), have it cleaned & pressed, dry-out over the forthcoming days and wait & wait & wait. Everytime the Postman calls I wait in eager anticipation for my 'invitation', but it never arrives. No matter, maybe mañana. But alas, it never arrives. Oh well, I'll go and sit back on the shelf :rolleyes::(

 

 

BTW, SoSensible, will you be my new special friend?

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Ah, it must be troll re-incarnation week.

 

It actually brightens my day to see posts from trolls because it shows that CAG is getting to the heart of everything thats bad about the credit and collection industry.

 

Sensible (add whatever you wish here...Mr for last week, So for this week and what about next week, might I suggest In) to sum up..CAG is a fountain of knowledge whereas you are not even an idea in a puddle.

Time for you to evaporate.

Of course I will pay you everything you say I owe with no proof.

Oooh Look....Flying Pigs

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Having suffered years of torment for the stupid financial mistakes of my youth I have come to the conclusion that the D.C.A.'s have actually driven me bonkers. Living in the house with another major debtor didn't help. It meant double the phone calls. On our land line, on our mobiles and some emails too bless them. Not to forget the lovely text messages as well. I first surfaced here in May to help my father. I think he may possibly have died if I hadn't found this site. He was suffering chest pains and was under severe stress. He recently turned 74. I did tell them all this and he wrote to them all as well, but they kept on ringing and ringing. Are they deranged or something? Everything is ok now. Not one call, text or email. All my debt is stat barred. It turns out all my dad's debt is unenforcable. We are not proud of this at all and half of our flat did willingly go to paying off these 'unsecured' debts a couple of years ago. The other half belongs to my mum and isn't ours to give. I can't deny I feel relieved, but my head just still isn't right. I think I have developed a deep rooted hatred for these companies and their methods. Whenever I visit the D.C.A. forum my blood begins to boil. I see all the stupid names like 'In Truth Just Idiots' and 'Crapquest' and it just annoys me. All the lies they tell. Every phone call I have ever had with a D.C.A. has contained a lie on their part I think. Can't they just make do with sending letters? Having jointly suffered with my father for a good 8 years I want to stick some pins in them. I think I would have a good case against them for mental damage actually. I envisage returning to some form of normality by the end of this year!!! Just thinking of all the other poor people who are soon to go through all this really does depress me though. What a complete and utter farce. I'm not looking for any sympathy and don't want this thread to be about me and my father. Just post here if you really feel you have been driven absolutely 'NUTS' by those lovely D.C.A.'s. It really is a special feeling! How on earth will I get by without them?

I feel like smoking a Hamlet after all that.

 

I enjoyed reading all of that very much indeed...glad you & ur father are ok now.

What drives me bonkers about DCA's is just how USELESS alot of them are. :D

Ive been threatened with just about everything off them over the years...not 1 single threat has ever actually happened :rolleyes:

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''I know I'm in the minority, but it actually got to the point that I began to look forward to lowlife phoning me.'

Serious signs of insanity my friend!

 

I can associate with that totally.:D

The DCA's i no longer hear from i actually miss now very much.

I may get back in touch with some of them & ask if they can start contacting me again :D

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I think to feel empowered against them when they have tried it on is wonderful - and they are a shower of devious, lying vultures as we all know. I've spent the last couple of days getting my facts right and checking the law and their calculations and the letters I have just written to them are dangling them on a string. It's payback time for all those who don't know their rights - my letters were for them too.

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