Private Parking Tickets - Template Letters - If you wrote before finding this site.

[lamma]

Ignore.

[letshelp]

,i appealed !!! and have just recieved a letter saying it was UNSUCCESSFUL .

No, am I the only one on this forum that finds it hard to believe your appeal failed?

Seriously just ignore these clowns.

regards

[barnyboot]

Hi all

I received a parking charge notice today/12/01/2010 issue date 06/01/2010 from excel parking for the sum of £60.00 .They say I parked in a controlled parking zone on the 10/12/2009 for 13 minutes extra, when I was probably stuck in traffic trying to get out. And leave the car park.They sent a photo of car showing my registration number, no other cars in the photo no cars in front or behind. I know when entered and exit that car park it was bumper to bumper. No parking ticket was issued no parking attendant was seen, it was a free parking period of 3 hours

So they want £60.00 for 13 minuets extra

Code 80 for longer than the maximum period permitted

How do I fair with this parking issue

[crem]

barnyboot

 

Do not write to them

Do not telephone them

Do not reply to their scamvoices

Do not pay them

[letshelp]

Hi all

I received a parking charge notice today/12/01/2010 issue date 06/01/2010 from excel parking for the sum of £60.00 .They say I parked in a controlled parking zone on the 10/12/2009 for 13 minutes extra,

So they want £60 for 13 extra minutes, Yes they have every chance of getting that if it went to Court

when I was probably stuck in traffic trying to get out. And leave the car park.They sent a photo of car showing my registration number,

Evidence of what?

no other cars in the photo no cars in front or behind. I know when entered and exit that car park it was bumper to bumper. No parking ticket was issued no parking attendant was seen, it was a free parking period of 3 hours

So they want £60.00 for 13 minuets extra

Code 80 for longer than the maximum period permitted

:lol::lol:

 

How do I fair with this parking issue

 

Very easy, ignore it.

 

regards

[Mr Meldrew]

I get the general idea of IGONORE IGNORE IGNORE! I just want to make sure that this is the best and most up to date advice. Car parked in a EURO Carpark disabled bay, thought it was mother and baby. RK is Mrs but I was driver. They have issued the ticket for £70 or £50 if paid in 14 days. I have read the thread on reasonable charges etc if it was to go to court but this car park was free. no pay and display, no barrier, no attendent. How can they legally charge that fee?

 

Does Mrs just wait till letter comes through then write back stating i am the RK however I was not driving the vehicle on that date and if you continue I will pursue harassment claim?????

 

Have any of the threads that suggest IGNORE actually been endorsed by any contract lawyers?

 

Your advice would be welcomed.

 

Thanks

 

Mr Meldrew

[crem]

RK is Mrs but I was driver.

Great coz then she has no case to answer.

 

They have issued the ticket for £70 or £50 if paid in 14 days. I have read the thread on reasonable charges etc if it was to go to court but this car park was free. no pay and display, no barrier, no attendent. How can they legally charge that fee?

Doesn't really matter what they think is reasonable or not

Does Mrs just wait till letter comes through then write back stating i am the RK however I was not driving the vehicle on that date and if you continue I will pursue harassment claim?????

No, she waits for their letters then does nothing with them except stick them in a drawer with their scamvoice.

 

Have any of the threads that suggest IGNORE actually been endorsed by any contract lawyers?

 

Your advice would be welcomed.

 

Thanks

 

Mr Meldrew

 

Do not write to them

Do not telephone them

Do not reply to their letters

Do not pay them

[brnr]

Hi. I received a letter from Trthowans saying they have been instructed by CP Plus Ltd. Quote

"We are advised by our client that their parking attendant observed a vehicle at the above location on the specified date and that this vehicle, which is registered in your name, did not adhere to the Parking Regulations detailed on the Notice Boards. as a result, a charge Notice was issued as detailed above which remains unpaid" The info "above" includes my vehicle reg, Location being GR-STAFFORD.

Grateful for your opinion(s). Thanks

[lamma]

Ignore.

[letshelp]

I get the general idea of IGONORE IGNORE IGNORE! I just want to make sure that this is the best and most up to date advice.

 

It Is.

 

Car parked in a EURO Carpark disabled bay, thought it was mother and baby.

 

Disabled bays have no legal meaning on a private car park.

 

RK is Mrs but I was driver.

 

Well that would be the end of any case against 'Mrs'.

 

They have issued the ticket for £70 or £50 if paid in 14 days.

 

:lol:

 

I have read the thread on reasonable charges etc if it was to go to court but this car park was free. no pay and display, no barrier, no attendent. How can they legally charge that fee?

 

They can't

 

Does Mrs just wait till letter comes through then write back stating i am the RK however I was not driving the vehicle on that date and if you continue I will pursue harassment claim?????

 

Just ignore them, you will really struggle in a case of harrassment against them.

 

Have any of the threads that suggest IGNORE actually been endorsed by any contract lawyers?

 

What lawyer would ever say that. I.E. 'I suggest you ignore them so i get no money from you'. Turkeys and Christmas spring to mind.

 

Your advice would be welcomed.

 

Duly given.

 

Thanks

 

Mr Meldrew

regards

[east coast passenger]

I am hoping someone can help me.

 

Today I paid £10.50 for a day's parking at Darlington Station. The tickets was clearly displayed.

 

When I returned to my car stuck on the windscreen was a plastic bag sayig "Penalty Charge Notice - Warning - It is an offence for any person other than the driver to remove this notice".

 

Inside is a document headed "Parking Penalty Notice number ECPxxxxxx".

 

It goes on to say "Notice of breach of terms and conditions. This car park is regulated by the terms and conditons displayed. By entering the car park you have agreed and contracted to be legally bound by those terms and conditions". (I never saw any terms or conditions.)

 

The vehicle details are then recorded and it goes on to note "in circumstances which gave reasonable cause to believe that the offence indicated below was beng committed.

 

OFFENCE(S):- Contrary to Railway Byelaw 14 or Terms & Conditions (please tick)..."

 

There are 8 boxes. The seventh is ticked "Improper use of area marked for (specify)" and then written in "short stay only".

 

It appears having paid the full daily rate I chose a bay I shouldn't have used, totally unknowingly.

 

It goes on: "By reason of your breach, you are required to pay the penalty shown below". This shows a standard penalty of £60 and a reduced penalty of £30 for payment within 14 days.

 

It then states: "If payment is not received within thirty (30) days, East Coast Main Line Company Ltd will commence collection procedures (which may include legal action) for the recovery of the sum claimed in this notice along with all costs associated with its recovery."

 

"East Coast Main Line Company Ltd reserve the right to seek recovery for any other sums legally recoverable where the company deems appropriate to recover any losses sustained by them."

 

"Cheques and Postal Orders should be made payable to Revenue Protecton Support Services and must be endorsed on the reverse with your name and address. This notice and payment should be sent to Revenue Protection Support Services, PO Box 89, Portsmouth, PO1 1EG. Alternatively payment can be made using your debit or credit card by calling 02392 778748"

 

"Registered keeper details may be obtained from DVLA"

 

And most worrying "Maximum penalty £1,000 (Railway Byelaw 14 - Traffic Signs, causing obstruction and parking)".

 

It appears I did stupidly park where I shouldn't have. (It was very early morning and I could have chosen an allowed bay. I didn't understand the signs which are new since I last parked at that station.)

 

Is this a private parking charge which can be ignored?

 

The notice gives no details of how to appeal.

[crem]

99% of tickets claiming to be "under railway byelaws 14" are nothing of teh sort and are only normal PPC scamvoices dressed up as such.

 

However, genuine byelaw 14 PCN cannot be just ignored so it is important to establish which this is. Can you post a scan of it up here, both sides, (with personal details obscured) so that the experts can look it over.

[east coast passenger]

I'll try to get a scan posted here on Friday. (I'm away from scanner at the moment.) But my posting contained almost everything on the document as shown in quotes. The only bits I missed out were the other "offence" boxes (Not displaying valid parking ticket - Exceeding permitted parking time - Causing an obstruction - Failing to park correctly within marked bay - Parking/waiting on pavement, kerb or verge - Parking/waiting where waiting or loading restricitons apply - Expired Business Package parking ticket, please pay top up at the Travel Centre before removing vehicle to avoid penalty shown below).

 

There are then boxes filled in to show "Issued by" [P Johnson], number [EC9803], date of issue [19/01/10].

 

The reverse of the small green form is blank.

 

Near the top there are completed boxes for reg number, make, model and colour of car, name of carpark [Parcate Short Stay, Darlington], date, and at/between [08.00 hrs] and [09.00 hrs].

 

I will scan and post but the above with my earlier posting comprises the complete notice. My earlier posting also noted contents of plastic bag stuck to window advising it is in an offence for anyone other than driver to remove.

 

I am very nervous about ignoring. I can pay £30. But I don't want to pay a lot more. (I live in a remote area so it would cost a lot to send debt collectors.) I have read of people being taken to court.

[letshelp]

This looks like a REAL ticket RPPS are indeed the enforcement arm of East Coast Main Line.

I would personally telephone them and ask what their appeals process is and take it from there.

More knowledgeable people may give a better response.

regards

[Big Supes]

Hi guys, newbie here.

 

So, I return home from work to find my car has been clamped outside my house this evening. I recently bought the car and it has been parked on my drive (until it's taxed), but due to the battery packing up, I was forced to put it into one of the spaces outside the house (as my work van isn't allowed to be parked there as it's a commercial vehicle). I displayed my permit, but because my tax disc isn't valid is was clamped.

 

Now, the question is: is it legal to clamp my car... it's off the road and is displaying a valid permit, as the only reasons related I've found on the citizens advice website is for not displaying a valid permit or permit at all. No mention of tax??

 

Thanks

[letshelp]

Might be better starting your own thread where you will find the advice you need.

regards

[east coast passenger]

Further to my postings on Tuesday and Wednesday here is [redacted] scan of ticket:

The reverse of the ticket is blank.

 

I'm not sure this will show but have attached scan too. (I'm not too good with these things.)

 

Please can I be advised whether this ticket is subject to Railway Bylaw 14 so it has to be paid?

 

One aspect I notice is the ticket states the car was parked "at/between between 08.00 hrs and 09.00 hrs". Yet the short stay car park, according to station wesbite, allows stays of up to 1 hour on payment of £1. Here £10.50 had been paid for a day's parking.

 

Another irritation is that it appears from the ticket that the penalty would have been identical if the £10.50 had not been paid.

Parking penalty 1.pdf

[crem]

One aspect I notice is the ticket states the car was parked "at/between between 08.00 hrs and 09.00 hrs". Yet the short stay car park, according to station wesbite, allows stays of up to 1 hour on payment of £1. Here £10.50 had been paid for a day's parking.

 

This point may well be worth exploring further.

 

I'm not an expert on railway PCNs and this one doesn't seem to be obviously a PPC invoice so we need that confirming first. If it is a correct railways byelaw PCN then I would assume it is subject to the "normal" rules of council PCNs; i.e. once it is issued it cannot be amended.

 

If parking is allowed for 1 hour in that car park then I fail to see how accusing you of parking for 1 hour can be an offence. It is irrelevant if you subsequently left the car there till 4pm, that is not what they are accusing you of doing.

[east coast passenger]

Thank you. When you say my point about the hour may be worth exploring further what do you have in mind?

 

Also how do I find out if it is a railways bylaw 14 ticket?

 

I guess I have three options: (1) ignore everything, but I am very nervous of that if I could be liable, (2) just pay the £30, or (3) phone up the payment number and query (or write to the payment address). But I suspect (3) is a waste of time and I don't want the cost to increase from £30 to £60 from any delay.

 

Help on my approach will be much appreciated.

[crem]

Thank you. When you say my point about the hour may be worth exploring further what do you have in mind?

 

The point being if the rules state you may park for an hour, then you cannot be in breech when they record on the PCN that you parked for an hour!

 

Also how do I find out if it is a railways bylaw 14 ticket?

Wait for a more expert CAGger to have a look at it and confirm if it is a correct byelaw 14 PCN (Expert Caggers can be a bit like busses sometimes; don't see one for ages then 3 will turn up in your thread all at once :lol: )

I guess I have three options: (1) ignore everything, but I am very nervous of that if I could be liable,

don't if it is a real PCN

 

(2) just pay the £30,

don't if it's a PPC scamvoice

or (3) phone up the payment number and query (or write to the payment address). But I suspect (3) is a waste of time and I don't want the cost to increase from £30 to £60 from any delay.

 

Help on my approach will be much appreciated.

..

[east coast passenger]

Thank you again. I'll wait for a few days to see if anyone can give me a confident answer between (1) and (2).

 

If the answer is it is a real byelaw 14 then I still don't get how I can challenge the PCN. There is no appeal procedure noted.

 

If the answer is to just ignore it then presumably there is no stage at which I'll raise the validity point.

[crem]

With the back of the PCN being blank and there being no clearly displayed method of appeal is very much leaning towards it been a PPC scamvoice.

 

To only have printing on one side almost sounds like the PPC ran out of "proper" tickets so just photocopied some more but only the one side coz they think that's the important side where they ask for the money.

[crem]

Bump

Anyone else with an opinion on this?

[lamma]

It may well be real. very similar to other real ones I have seen and no real tell-tale marks of a PPC [problem]. That doesn't mean that the railway will take it to magistrate's court as there is no money it for them, if they do that the court gets the money. May be worth a quck request to HMCS to see how many bylaw cases this company has brought - specifically for byelaw 14 but numbers for any byelaw cases may also be informative. The railway company will have its own byelaws. they all look much of a muchness but still worth getting hold of a copy. also see the Transport Act 2000 Schedule 20

[crem]

It seems strange that only one side of the ticket has anything on it though don't you think lamma?