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Help a n00bie out... What's the Pepipoo challenge?

 

Some of the members on Pepipoo website (which is a parking forum like this one) have offered to park "in contravention of the signs" by arrangement with the PPC; duly get "ticketed"; refuse to pay; let the PPC take them to court; then stuff the PPC with a correct legal defense against their scamvoices.

 

No PPC has taken up the challenge yet. :)

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Some of the members on Pepipoo website (which is a parking forum like this one) have offered to park "in contravention of the signs" by arrangement with the PPC; duly get "ticketed"; refuse to pay; let the PPC take them to court; then stuff the PPC with a correct legal defense against their scamvoices.

 

No PPC has taken up the challenge yet. :)

 

 

Cool :lol:

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Hi

I'm not sure how to use this site but here goes, I'm trying to find some information on tickets being issued in macdonalds, I received one for the alledged offense of staying 10 minutes too long. Basically what happened is I arranged to meet a colleague there to discuss business back in May( I am field based so use these sites to meet up with colleagues) I also drive a company car, I waited 10 minutes for my colleague to arrive, we then went to get a coffee from an adjacent restaurant with is part of the same site, I still have the till receipt with time stamp on it, yestrday I received the notice from the leasing company informing me of this alledged offense. The notice had my name on so I assume that Met Parking Services have been in touch with the DVLA, the address was the leasing company to whom the car belongs to. I have been in touch with Macdonalds head office who didn't appear to know very, I have also written to the DVLA to find out if it was them they gave them my name. My company do not pay parking fines of any description, fines are sent to the leasing company they locate the driver and the details are then sent to the driver, the leasing company do not pass personal details of drivers to any company private or otherwise, so now the fine is £100 for 10 minutes £10 per minute, surely this is extortion.Please can anyone advise me as to what to do now. Thanks

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make sure the lease company does not auto pay and add a 'handling' charge ! Some do, some don't. They all know about the PPC [problem] and those that do are just leeches in my view. What does the lease say about this - exact wording please

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Hi Lamma

 

I know the leasing company would not divulge any personal information, my company have been using them for years and we have strict procedures in place, if they did not abide by the rules my company would take its business elsewhere, that's a lot of money to lose.

Here is a paragraph from the letter " The constraints of the data protection act mean that we are unable to provide your individual details to civil agencies enabling them to contact you" . They used to pay all fines to stop it increasing but this was stopped 3-4 years ago. I'm not quite sure where the lease is as I moved a year ago and a lot of my paperwork is still in boxes stacked up in the garage.

 

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I have rcvd a private parking ticket, the ticket has a number of bizzare things on;

 

1 - It clearly calls its self a Penalty Charge Notice, i though private companies couldn't do this

2 - It said that the police will not help you and are not allowed to discourage you to pay.

3 - it says it is unable to enter into any verbal communication including in court (how would they take you to court in this case)

4 - it will not allow any appeal without payment, also it only gave 6 days to pay with the fine increasing by £3 per day not paid, any appeal letter will be responded to in 14 days.

 

So if they won't enter into verbal conversation, wont reply to letters within the 6 days how are you supposed to communicate?

 

Not to mention the fact that they have an error on the ticket, they state i was there 9 mins before i actually was, i have no way of proving this though.

 

Would you recommend going with the do nothing until they contact me rule?

 

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I have rcvd a private parking ticket, the ticket has a number of bizzare things on;

 

1 - It clearly calls its self a Penalty Charge Notice, i though private companies couldn't do this

They can't!

 

2 - It said that the police will not help you and are not allowed to discourage you to pay.

Well that's OK, coz you weren't going to waste your time with the police anyway were you coz you get better advice here on CAG. :)

 

3 - it says it is unable to enter into any verbal communication including in court (how would they take you to court in this case)

That's fine coz you don't want to speak to them either.

 

4 - it will not allow any appeal without payment, also it only gave 6 days to pay with the fine increasing by £3 per day not paid, any appeal letter will be responded to in 14 days.

As you aren't going to appeal, you don't need to send payment (gosh this gets easier by each of their points) btw their £3 per day charge is even bigger B*S* than their original scamvoice

 

So if they won't enter into verbal conversation, wont reply to letters within the 6 days how are you supposed to communicate?

You're Not!!

 

Not to mention the fact that they have an error on the ticket, they state i was there 9 mins before i actually was, i have no way of proving this though.

Who cares about the mistake on the scamvoice, you have no intention of speaking to them.

 

Would you recommend going with the do nothing until they contact me rule?

NO!! I would recommend doing nothing for ever more, not just till they contact you.

 

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Do not appeal

Do not write to them

Do not telephone them

Do not pay them

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Hi. sorry to hijack the post i'm not sure where to start. I have been parking in the same place since i started a new job 7 weeks ago. On monday i returned to my car to find a parking charge notice and upon looking around discovered that UKPC had put up notices over the weekend. Today i got a charge notice in the post for £90, reduced to £45 if i pay within 14 days. The advice seems to be pretty much ignore it. Should i do anything at all about this. I mean i was parked there when the notice was up (the car park for for a hotel next to my office where there aren't enough parking spaces for all staff and they are allocated to the senior staff).

i'm afraid that if i start getting debt collection agency letters i'll cave and pay as my credit rating has only been good for a few years after being irresponsible as a teenager. If there is a sticky post or somewhere i should be directed to, please point me in the right direction.

I really don't see how i owe these people money and £45 or £90 is a LOT of money to me at the moment.

 

Thanks

 

oh and i'm not sure if it makes any differnce but the DVLA have given them an old address of mine despite me updating the address on my license last year, so the notice was sent to my mother in laws house

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old address ? sounds like they didn't ask the DVLA for yours so some interesting ICO questions. Check with DVLA that they have your correct address. If so get the V888/2 information.

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oh and i'm not sure if it makes any differnce but the DVLA have given them an old address of mine despite me updating the address on my license last year, so the notice was sent to my mother in laws house

 

The DVLA don't give out the address from your "license", the address relates to the RK of the car in question. Did you update the V5C address when you moved as well?

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I'm not sure what those terms you used mean but my tax reminder was recently sent to my mothers in laws too so i guess i need to update them.

I'm quite willing to fight this issue but my my concern now is numerous letters appearing at her house and not mine. My partner is easily intimidated and is convinved her mums house will be "Blacklisted" if i dont pay.

Should i call UKPC to advise they have got the wrong address and give my current address (not mentioning i am who i am)? Advice please

 

I recently paid a 6 year old debt which i had already cleared and had been circulating through no less than 4 different debt collectors before reaching me. I did this because i believed it might affect my credit rating and therfore a job application i was involved in. This still sticks in my throat as i cleared this debt twice and it has never appeared on my credit file. Sorry this is irrelevant now but it makes me noe prepared to be bullied into paying up through fear this time

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I'm not sure what those terms you used mean but my tax reminder was recently sent to my mothers in laws too so i guess i need to update them.

 

What Crem is talking about is RK = Registered Keeper

V5 = Vehicle Registration Document

 

I'm quite willing to fight this issue but my my concern now is numerous letters appearing at her house and not mine. My partner is easily intimidated and is convinved her mums house will be "Blacklisted" if i dont pay.

 

No-ones house will be 'blacklisted' as a result of this [problem].

Should i call UKPC to advise they have got the wrong address and give my current address (not mentioning i am who i am)? Advice please

 

NO

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Should i call UKPC to advise they have got the wrong address and give my current address (not mentioning i am who i am)? Advice please

 

NO

Already did this, and was advised to send it back with address correction which i did. have not acknowledged who i am or that i have recieved it and will not respond to anything that they send me. Hope this wasn't a mistake but its done now. Just wanted my inlaws out of the equasion as they are quite prim and proper and would have definately got flustered with repeated letters.

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Here's some Money Saving Expert:

 

Private Parking Tickets: How to get your money back inc. free template letters...

 

Effectively, a ticket from a private firm is an invoice as, in their words, by overstaying your welcome on their land you have agreed to pay a particular sum. By stating you are appealing, it gives unnecessary legitimacy to the ticket.

I’ve only used the word "appeal" in this guide when quoting correspondence from private parking firms and landowners.

 

The aim at this point is to dissuade the company by showing you won’t take this lying down. Its simply sent you an invoice to pay, and you dispute the need to pay it. It has NO POWER whatsoever to force you to pay unless it first chooses to take you to court, which is a hassle, and then it needs to win the case which is by no means certain. And just to put your mind at rest, it can’t hit your credit rating either.

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Good grief - sending a PPC 'proof of your financial position'. I am sorry but this is NOT a good idea in my view as there may be a crooked element in the pPC 'trade'. All that counts is the facts - that is how the law works (in the incredibly small number of cases that make it to small claims). First the facts are established and then the law is applied to them. That is why we always tell posters never to give details and why PPC trolls try to get them - and why the PPC always wants written 'appeals'. It is up to the claimant to make their case to the court, just leave them swinging in the breeze every time.

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So much info! This gives me hope. How do you know so much?

Do I have any legal obligation to tell them who was driving my car?

Having returned to the "scene of the crime" and found a private parking notice it says NOTHING about Disabled Blue Badge Parking Permits NOT being exempt (although they do specifically mention motorcycles not being exempt). In what way should they explain they are mimicking stautory road markings and does this include double yellow lines and a No Entry - Except for Access sign at on end of a road?

I have read somewhere that private parking companies should not use the phrase "Unauthorised Removal of this Notice Is An Offence" is this correct?

Mind you it claims to be a "Parking Notice Charge" - this doesn't actually make sense! Surely it should say "Parking Charge Notice".

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"Do I have any legal obligation to tell them who was driving my car?" none at all under any circumstances and that includes the crazy ones claimed by some PPCs. ""Unauthorised Removal of this Notice Is An Offence" is this correct? " - no its rubbish.

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Hi all,

 

I recently received a ticket for £75 from Parking Control Services. I was parked in a residential complex visiting a friend for the night and was on a curb with no lines, there were signs but not easily visible from where I was parked.

 

The ticket should be payed within 7 days or it goes up to £150 + £50 administration! Crooks. The problem I have is that it is a company car and I don't want them getting the registered keeper involved i.e. my boss!!

By writing to them stating I was he driver am I in some way admitting liability? Also should |I include a cheque anyway and state that I need evidence before they cash the cheque? Also what if nobody is in the office on sat/sun to receive the cheque on recorded delivery? would they have the right to add the extra costs on even though a delivery has been attempted?

 

Help Would be appreciated and the sooner the better as the clock is ticking hehe

 

Thanks!!!!!!!

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Hi all,

 

I recently received a ticket for £75 from Parking Control Services. I was parked in a residential complex visiting a friend for the night and was on a curb with no lines, there were signs but not easily visible from where I was parked.

 

The ticket should be payed or it goes up to £150 + £50 administration! Crooks.

Yep, crooks, absolutely right!

 

The problem I have is that it is a company car and I don't want them getting the registered keeper involved i.e. my boss!!

Can't really avoid that, so speak to your boss and tell him this is a [problem] invoice and you have no intention of paying and neither should he.

 

By writing to them stating I was he driver am I in some way admitting liability?

No you won't be admitting anything about the incident. It may get them to write to you instead of your company

Also should |I include a cheque anyway and state that I need evidence before they cash the cheque?

No! No! NOOO! THEY'LL CASH IT!!

 

Also what if nobody is in the office on sat/sun to receive the cheque on recorded delivery? would they have the right to add the extra costs on even though a delivery has been attempted?

They've got no right to charge yyou in the first place, so no right to add "other" charges either. But as you're not going to pay them it doesn't matter about their charges.

 

Help Would be appreciated and the sooner the better as the clock is ticking hehe

OK, finish reading this thread, then go to bed and never think about paying PCS again.

 

Thanks!!!!!!!

 

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I am new to all this! I got £80 fine yesterday from some private dodgy company 'Vehicle Control Services' (Excel) and after reading a lot of posts and info on the internet im just going to ignore all correspondence. I have decided it is nothing but a money making [problem]!

 

However its a headache I could really do without!!

 

Any thoughts!

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Hi

I am new to all this! I got £80 fine yesterday from some private dodgy company 'Vehicle Control Services' (Excel) and after reading a lot of posts and info on the internet im just going to ignore all correspondence. I have decided it is nothing but a money making [problem]!

 

You have hit the nail right on the head, as stated just ignore they will go away eventually and bother someone not so clued up.

Any thoughts!

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still having problems with UKPC who have they sent to my case to UKsearch (sure they are the same company, can anyone confirm this?) to collect the alleged debt. i wrote to them with the template - 'in dispute send back to UKPC' etc.

however they have written back - "please enclosed picture of your vehicle causing obstruction etc". Can they do this as debt collectors?

and now another letter today threatening legal action or doorstep debt collecters (sure the latter can only be done if the case goes to court??)

any suggestions on a reply, should i reply or wait a court summons?

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