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    • no i meant the email from parcel2go which email address did they send it from and who signed it off (whos name is at the bottom)
    • I understand confusion with this thread.  I tried to keep threads separate because there have been so many angles.    But a team member merged them all.  This is why it's hard to keep track. This forum exists to help little people fight injustice - however big or small.  Im here to try get a decent resolution. Not to give in to the ' big boys'. My "matter' became complicated 'matters' simply because a lender refused to sell a property. What can I say?  I'll try in a nutshell to give an overview: There's a long lease property. I originally bought it short lease with a s.146 on it from original freeholder.  I had no concerns. So lender should have been able to sell a well-maintained lovely long lease property.  The property was great. The issue is not the property.  Economy, sdlt increases, elections, brexit, covid, interest hikes etc didn't help.  The issue is simple - the lender wanted to keep it.   House or Flat? Before repo I offered to clear my loan.  I was a bit short and lender refused.  They said (recorded) they thought the property was worth much more and they were happy to keep accruing interest (in their benefit) until it reached a point where they felt they could repo and still easily quickly sell to get their £s back.  This was a mistake.  The market was (and is) tough.   2y later the lender ceo bid the same sum to buy the property for himself. He'd rejected higher offers in the intervening period whilst accruing interest. Lenders have a legal obligation to sell the property for the best price they can get. If they feel the offer is low they won't sell it, because it's likely the borrower will say the same. I had the property under offer to a fantastic niche buyer but lender rushed to repo and buyer got spooked and walked.  It had taken a long time to find such a lucrative buyer.  A sale which would have resulted in £s and another asset for me. Post repo lender had 1 offer immediately.  But dragged out the process for >1y - allegedly trying to get other offers. But disclosure shows there was only one valid buyer. Again, points as above. Lender appointed receiver (after 4 months) - simply to try acquire the freehold.  He used his powers as receiver to use me, as leaseholder, to serve notice on freeholders.  Legally that failed. Meanwhile lender failed to secure property - and squatters got in (3 times).  And they failed to maintain it.  So freeholders served a dilapidations notice (external) - on me as leaseholder (cc-ed to lender).   (That's how it works legally) Why serve a delapidations notice? If it's in the terms of the lease to maintain the property to a good standard, then serve an S146 notice instead as it's a clear breach of the lease. I don't own the freehold.  But I am a trustee and have to do right by the freeholders.  This is where matters got/ get complicated.  And probably lose most caggers.   Lawyers got involved for the freeholders to firstly void the receiver enfranchisement notice. Secondly, to serve the dilapidations notice.  The lack of maintenance was in breach of lease and had to be served to protect fh asset. Enfranchisement isn't something that can be "voided", it's in the Leasehold Reform Act 1967 that leaseholders have the right to buy the freehold of the property. It's normal, whether it is a "normal" leaseholder or a repossession with a leasehold house, to claim this right of enfranchisement and sell the property with said rights attached and the purchase price of the freehold included in the final completion price. That's likely what the mortgage provider wished to do. The lender did no repairs. They said a buyer would undertake them. Which was probably correct. If they had sold. After 1y lender finally agreed to sell to the 1st offeror and contracts went with lawyers.  Within 1 month lender reneged.  Lender tried to suggest buyer walked. Evidence shows he/ his lawyers continued trying to exchange (cash) for 4 months.  Evidence shows lender and receiver strategy had been to renege and for ceo to take control.   I still think that's their plan. Redact and scan said evidence up for others to look at? Lender then stupidly chose to pretty much bulldoze the property.  Other stuff was going on in the background. After repo I was in touch by phone and email and lender knew post got to me.   Despite this, after about 10 months (before and then during covid), they deliberately sent SDs and eventually a B petition to an incorrect address and an obscure small court.  They never served me properly.  (In hindsight I understand they hoped to get a backdoor B - so they could keep the property that way.)  Eventually the random court told them to email me by way of service.  At this point their ruse to make me B failed.  I got a lawyer (friend paid). The B petition was struck out. They’d failed to include the property as an asset. They were in breach of insolvency rules. So this is dealt with then. Simultaneously the receiver again appointed lawyers to act on my behalf as leaseholder. This time to serve notice on the freeholders for a lease extension.  He had hoped to try and vary the strict lease. Evidence shows the already long length of lease wasn't an issue.  The lender obviously hoped to get round their lack of permission to do works (which they were already doing) by hoping to remove the strict clauses that prevent leaseholder doing alterations.  You wouldn't vary a lease through a lease extension. You'd need a Deed of Variation for that. This may be done at the same time but the lease has already been extended once and that's all they have a right to. The extension created a new legal angle for me to deal with.  I had to act as trustee for freeholders against me as leaseholder/ the receiver.  Inconsistencies and incompetence by receiver lawyers dragged this out 3y.  It still isn't properly resolved. The lease has already been extended once so they have no right to another extension. It seems pretty easy to just get the lawyer to say no and stick by those terms as the law is on your side there. Meanwhile - going back to the the works the lender undertook. The works were consciously in breach of lease.  The lender hadn't remedied the breaches listed in the dilapidations notice.  They destroyed the property.  The trustees compiled all evidence.  The freeholders lawyers then served a forfeiture notice. This notice started a different legal battle. I was acting for the freeholders against what the lender had done on my behalf as leaseholder.  This legal battle took 3y to resolve. Again, order them to revert it as they didn't have permission to do the works, or else serve an S146 notice for breach of the lease. The simple exit would have been for lender to sell. A simple agreement to remedy the breaches and recompense the freeholders in compensation - and there's have been clean title to sell.  That option was proposed to them.   This happened by way of mediation for all parties 2y ago.  A resolution option was put forward and in principle agreed.  But immediately after the lender lawyers failed to engage.  A hard lesson to learn - mediation cannot be referred to in court. It's considered w/o prejudice. The steps they took have made no difference to their ability to sell the property.  Almost 3y since they finished works they still haven't sold. ** ** I followed up some leads myself.  A qualified cash buyer offered me a substantial sum.  The lender and receiver both refused it.   I found another offer in disclosure.  6 months later someone had apparently offered a substantial sum via an agent.  The receiver again rejected it.  The problem of course was that the agent had inflated the market price to get the business. But no-one was or is ever going to offer their list price.  Yet the receiver wanted/wants to hold out for the list price.  Which means 1y later not only has it not sold - disclosure shows few viewings and zero interest.  It's transparently over-priced.  And tarnished. For those asking why I don't give up - I couldn't/ can't.  Firstly I have fiduciary duties as a trustee. Secondly, legal advice indicates I (as leaseholder) could succeed with a large compensation claim v the lender.  Also - I started a claim v my old lawyer and the firm immediately reimbursed some £s. That was encouraging.  And a sign to continue.  So I'm going for compensation.  I had finance in place (via friend) to do a deal and take the property back off the lender - and that lawyer messed up bad.   He should have done a deal.  Instead further years have been wasted.   Maybe I only get back my lost savings - but that will be a result.   If I can add some kind of complaint/ claim v the receiver's conscious impropriety I will do so.   I have been left with nothing - so fighting for something is worth it. The lender wants to talk re a form of settlement.  Similar to my proposal 2y ago.  I have a pretty clear idea of what that means to me.  This is exactly why I do not give up.  And why I continue to ask for snippets of advice/ pointers on cag.  
    • It was all my own work based on my previous emails to P2G which Bank has seen.
    • I was referring to #415 where you wrote "I was forced to try to sell - and couldn't." . And nearer the start in #79 .. "I couldn't sell.  I had an incredibly valuable asset. Huge equity.  But the interest accrued / the property market suffered and I couldn't find a buyer even at a level just to clear the debt." In #194 you said you'd tried to sell for four years.  The reason for these points is that a lot of the claims against for example your surveyor, solicitor, broker, the lender and now the receiver are mainly founded in a belief that they should have been able to do something but did not. Things that might seem self evident to you but not necessarily to others. Pressing these claims may well need a bit more hard evidence, rather than an appeal to common sense. Can you show evidence of similar properties, with similar freehold issues, selling readily? And solid reasons why the lender should have been able to sell when you couldn't.
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Hi folks,

 

I know this would depend greatly on size, but I'd be intrigued to hear from anyone that has a 3bed (or even 4 bed) detached as to their average units per month

 

Just had my BG bill and for one month they are quoting 180 units (this checks out on the meter)

 

I find this usage very high as it is a new build, quality house (local builder, recognised for its energy efficient builds with triple glazing, mega loft insulation and wall insulation, thermostat on all radiators, ultra modern boiler, etc)

 

There is only myself and the mrs in the house, hardly use the heating (2 hours AM, 3 hours night - same times for HW on thermostat)

 

All upstairs radiators on absolute lowest therm setting

 

 

The mind boggles!

 

 

 

Many thanks to anyone that can take the time to post their stats for a 3 or 4 bed detached (approx age of property would be handy)

 

 

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20th April to 19th May Weather now becoming warmer I would expect 6units per day from your Metric [correction]volume meter 30 days times 6 equals 180 units you now multiply this times 10.95 180 x10.95 = 1971 kilo watts used Now the readings for FEBRUARY could be 9.70x28 days=271.6 units now times it by 10.95 to change it to kilo watts=271.6x10.95=2974.02 kilo watts August daily units 1.1 x31days=34.1 total for August= 10.95 changing to kilo watts 34.1x 10.95=374 kilo watts BG ARE CORRECT AND YOUR USEAGE IS CAREFUL

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Hi G,

 

thanks for that

 

Anyone else care to chuck a reading in?

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Between the 6th March and the 29th May, I used 73 cubic units in my house. Its a 3 bedroom detached, built 20 years ago, fully double glazed and reasonably well insulated. Npower have just adjusted my monthly payment down to £34 a month (down from £40).

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NowTHAT is just the kind of example I'm talking about - mine seems ridiculously high

 

Thanks Rob

 

Anymore with anymore?

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To Rob S 6th March to 29th May [84 days nearly 3 months] gives .869 units daily [no chance if meter is a metre cube one] It would seem with these figures yours is a foot cube meter If it is then this figure to be multiplied by 31 for kilo watts ie 73 times 31 equals 2263 kilo watts at say 2.5 pence a kilo watt £56.57 too low and so is 73 cubic units this is based on for [84days] nearly three months still winter weather. now 2.46 is conversion of .869 to metric 2.46 metre cub volume or .869 ft cub volume is too low an average daily figure to heat 3/4 bedroomed house as ncf 355 found out even with warmer weather this month 73 units would seem hot water use only [[73 cubic units]] needs checking out it does not tally with n powers £34 a month new figure or from the £40 which is good.

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George, Npowers gas rates will go down next month so they have probably factored that into the new repayment. Their figure of £34 was based on their estimated reading which came in at 89 cubic metres over a shorter period (6th March - 24th May). My meter reading was taken on the 29th and showed the consumption of 73 cubic metres.

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To Rob S You are a winner regarding useage costs but most would find the gas consumption too low for winter heating consumption and many would not get away with having only to pay [£34] a month for the next twelve months without an amount owing come year end. Anyhow this is good for you and I hope it works out. It's just such a low figure as the reading started from March. [Now] .869 cubiic cannot be for meter cube as I indicated above but would apply to a foot cube meter as indicated by N power's [£34] a month and then the .869 units above would be multiplied by 31 to give Kilo watts and [not] 10.95 if it was a cubic metre volume meter. You'd be on a £10 a month figure with .869 useage daily .

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George,

 

I am fortunate with the bills. I have lived in this house for just over a year now, so we have been able to assess our usage and bills effectively. Npower started us off at £40 a month, but in light of the first years billing they reduced it to £34. We did actually get a refund on our payments during winter because we had built up a big surplus. I know most peoples gas and electric bills come out at about £1000 a year so with ours being £650 we are very fortunate. I guess its one advantage of being a fat b'stard as I don't need it on as much!!:D

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Couldn't tell you off hand how many units I am using (bills at home but could provide details) gas is £122 per month and elec is £59 per month !!!!!!

 

3 bed detached Victorian.

 

I have queried it time and time again BG say its correct and thats avergae for my house. I will persue though ............... especially as when i moved in the house it had prepayment meters and the guy i bought the house off offred to show me how to fiddle the meter !!!!!

 

I had the meters changed and told BG about this - still not intersted !!

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British Gas? That would explain your bills, as they are one of the most expensive suppliers out there. Get on to Uswitch or Moneysupermarket.com and start comparing your costs with other companies.

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Live in 1 bed flat, out at work 5 days a week and paying £55 per month for gas alone. Considering i only have heating on for an hour in morning and 3 hrs max in evening it still seems excessive when electric on a prepayment meter is only £5 per week.

When i queried the fact that i not only didnt receive the 25% discount for switching to NPower, was told that it was def correct and should consider wearing warmer clothing!

Incidentally, my sis lives in 3 bed semi with 3 kids so heating on constantly and she only pays £35 pm for gas

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WB,

 

that just cannot be right

 

Insist the meter is checked, but also check your supplier against others, as mentioned above via USwitch

omnia praesumuntur legitime facta donec probetur in contrarium

 

 

Please note: I am not a member of the legal profession, all advice given is purely my opinion, if in doubt consult a professional

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Consider your daily gas units If only one unit used and your meter is a foot cube volume meter then kilo watts used is 1 times 31 equals 31 kilo watts If the meter is metre volume cubic metre multiply by 10.95. One unit times 10.95 =10.95 kilo watts used Check your daily useage and use your own figure not [one as above] multiply by 31 or 10.95. Do this for a week or a month then multiply by cost 2 pence per kilo watt or whatever yours is. You cannot gestimate. Do this for a year if you wish yours could be 20,000 kilo watts yearly + or minus 5,000 kilo watts and monthly cost £45 + or minus £5 Electric meter readings [as you are aware] are already in kilo watts and could be daily 12 kilo watt units + or minus 3 or whatever. and yearly kilo watts could be 4,000 kilo watt units + or minus 1.000 kilo watt units Monthly cost £40 + or minus £5 Unit electric cost could be 9.5 pence per kilo watt or less.

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Interesting to read comments about British Gas (BG). Disgusting you were told to wear warmer clothing Whirlybird. I moved into my tiny 1 bed flatfrom 3 bed bungalow and found a BG prepaymenr meter. Have had financial problems due to illness etc and now have poor credit rating so decided to keep meter. Last winter I ws paying between £15 - £20 per week depending how long central heating was on. (Still cold!). Cost higher than when living in bungalow different supplier mind you. The cost has come down slightly and of course usage lower as it is warmer. BG sent statement of account showing that I was in credit by some £140 but I have heard it is really difficult to extract a refund. Would be grateful for advice about claiming refund and changing supplier if possible. I know I should phone BG but I have had such a difficult time with finances that I dread using a phone.

 

Cheers

Linjie ;-)

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Your starting point is to phone them up. Until you take this step you don't know if they will be difficult and make you fight for your money or if they will refund you without a quibble.

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Thanks you are right will phone tomorrow - it is time to stop being defeatist. Am also organising a credit rating report and depending on result will seek another supplier.

Linjie ;-)

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Phoned them up apparently they don't owe me money. Seems that they estimated my consumption of gas and thought they would titilate me by saying they owed me money. Next step look at the actual meter reading I took when I moved in and work out what my consumption has actually been based on current meter reading.

Linjie ;-)

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:?:my step daughters mother is currently paying around 60 per month on a prepayment metre. iam not sure what company she is with i know its not bg . she was told it would be cheaper but has found the costs rising greatly over the last few months.last week she was away and the house was empty the heating was set on a timer for the animals.but still in that week 12 was used from the metre.its a 2 bed small house with gas water and heating and gas cooker.she lives alone with one child.and dosent use the gas excessivly.but at 60quid a month this seems awfully steep for a single mother on benefits .please could anybody give a average price for gas on metre.for a similar sized house and family.

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