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    • no i meant the email from parcel2go which email address did they send it from and who signed it off (whos name is at the bottom)
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The issue is not the property.  Economy, sdlt increases, elections, brexit, covid, interest hikes etc didn't help.  The issue is simple - the lender wanted to keep it.    Before repo I offered to clear my loan.  I was a bit short and lender refused.  They said (recorded) they thought the property was worth much more and they were happy to keep accruing interest (in their benefit) until it reached a point where they felt they could repo and still easily quickly sell to get their £s back.  This was a mistake.  The market was (and is) tough.   2y later the lender ceo bid the same sum to buy the property for himself. He'd rejected higher offers in the intervening period whilst accruing interest. I had the property under offer to a fantastic niche buyer but lender rushed to repo and buyer got spooked and walked.  It had taken a long time to find such a lucrative buyer.  A sale which would have resulted in £s and another asset for me. Post repo lender had 1 offer immediately.  But dragged out the process for >1y - allegedly trying to get other offers. But disclosure shows there was only one valid buyer. Lender appointed receiver (after 4 months) - simply to try acquire the freehold.  He used his powers as receiver to use me, as leaseholder, to serve notice on freeholders.  Legally that failed. Meanwhile lender failed to secure property - and squatters got in (3 times).  And they failed to maintain it.  So freeholders served a dilapidations notice (external) - on me as leaseholder (cc-ed to lender).   (That's how it works legally) I don't own the freehold.  But I am a trustee and have to do right by the freeholders.  This is where matters got/ get complicated.  And probably lose most caggers.   Lawyers got involved for the freeholders to firstly void the receiver enfranchisement notice. Secondly, to serve the dilapidations notice.  The lack of maintenance was in breach of lease and had to be served to protect fh asset. The lender did no repairs. They said a buyer would undertake them. Which was probably correct. If they had sold. After 1y lender finally agreed to sell to the 1st offeror and contracts went with lawyers.  Within 1 month lender reneged.  Lender tried to suggest buyer walked. Evidence shows he/ his lawyers continued trying to exchange (cash) for 4 months.  Evidence shows lender and receiver strategy had been to renege and for ceo to take control.   I still think that's their plan. Lender then stupidly chose to pretty much bulldoze the property.  Other stuff was going on in the background. After repo I was in touch by phone and email and lender knew post got to me.   Despite this, after about 10 months (before and then during covid), they deliberately sent SDs and eventually a B petition to an incorrect address and an obscure small court.  They never served me properly.  (In hindsight I understand they hoped to get a backdoor B - so they could keep the property that way.)  Eventually the random court told them to email me by way of service.  At this point their ruse to make me B failed.  I got a lawyer (friend paid). The B petition was struck out. They’d failed to include the property as an asset. They were in breach of insolvency rules. Simultaneously the receiver again appointed lawyers to act on my behalf as leaseholder. This time to serve notice on the freeholders for a lease extension.  He had hoped to try and vary the strict lease. Evidence shows the already long length of lease wasn't an issue.  The lender obviously hoped to get round their lack of permission to do works (which they were already doing) by hoping to remove the strict clauses that prevent leaseholder doing alterations.   The extension created a new legal angle for me to deal with.  I had to act as trustee for freeholders against me as leaseholder/ the receiver.  Inconsistencies and incompetence by receiver lawyers dragged this out 3y.  It still isn't properly resolved.  Meanwhile - going back to the the works the lender undertook. The works were consciously in breach of lease.  The lender hadn't remedied the breaches listed in the dilapidations notice.  They destroyed the property.  The trustees compiled all evidence.  The freeholders lawyers then served a forfeiture notice. This notice started a different legal battle. I was acting for the freeholders against what the lender had done on my behalf as leaseholder.  This legal battle took 3y to resolve. The simple exit would have been for lender to sell. A simple agreement to remedy the breaches and recompense the freeholders in compensation - and there's have been clean title to sell.  That option was proposed to them.   This happened by way of mediation for all parties 2y ago.  A resolution option was put forward and in principle agreed.  But immediately after the lender lawyers failed to engage.  A hard lesson to learn - mediation cannot be referred to in court. It's considered w/o prejudice. The steps they took have made no difference to their ability to sell the property.  Almost 3y since they finished works they still haven't sold. ** ** I followed up some leads myself.  A qualified cash buyer offered me a substantial sum.  The lender and receiver both refused it.   I found another offer in disclosure.  6 months later someone had apparently offered a substantial sum via an agent.  The receiver again rejected it.  The problem of course was that the agent had inflated the market price to get the business. But no-one was or is ever going to offer their list price.  Yet the receiver wanted/wants to hold out for the list price.  Which means 1y later not only has it not sold - disclosure shows few viewings and zero interest.  It's transparently over-priced.  And tarnished. For those asking why I don't give up - I couldn't/ can't.  Firstly I have fiduciary duties as a trustee. Secondly, legal advice indicates I (as leaseholder) could succeed with a large compensation claim v the lender.  Also - I started a claim v my old lawyer and the firm immediately reimbursed some £s. That was encouraging.  And a sign to continue.  So I'm going for compensation.  I had finance in place (via friend) to do a deal and take the property back off the lender - and that lawyer messed up bad.   He should have done a deal.  Instead further years have been wasted.   Maybe I only get back my lost savings - but that will be a result.   If I can add some kind of complaint/ claim v the receiver's conscious impropriety I will do so.   I have been left with nothing - so fighting for something is worth it. The lender wants to talk re a form of settlement.  Similar to my proposal 2y ago.  I have a pretty clear idea of what that means to me.  This is exactly why I do not give up.  And why I continue to ask for snippets of advice/ pointers on cag.  
    • It was all my own work based on my previous emails to P2G which Bank has seen.
    • I was referring to #415 where you wrote "I was forced to try to sell - and couldn't." . And nearer the start in #79 .. "I couldn't sell.  I had an incredibly valuable asset. Huge equity.  But the interest accrued / the property market suffered and I couldn't find a buyer even at a level just to clear the debt." In #194 you said you'd tried to sell for four years.  The reason for these points is that a lot of the claims against for example your surveyor, solicitor, broker, the lender and now the receiver are mainly founded in a belief that they should have been able to do something but did not. Things that might seem self evident to you but not necessarily to others. Pressing these claims may well need a bit more hard evidence, rather than an appeal to common sense. Can you show evidence of similar properties, with similar freehold issues, selling readily? And solid reasons why the lender should have been able to sell when you couldn't.
    • You can use a family's address.   The only caveat is for the final hearing you'd need to be there in person   HOWEVER i'd expect them to pay if its only £200 because costs of attending will be higher than that
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Hey- myself and now ex partner took out an unsecured loan back in 2006 for £20k on top of a mortgage we had at the sametime

- all ok

 

- fast forward 1 year he then takes out a secured loan in our names, forged my signature (this is not why I am writing but just trying to give you some background)

he told me he would kill himself if I reported him

- we split up

 

only after 2 years did I then contact bank and said I didn't sign or agree to this

- they wouldn't back down,

police wouldn't pursue

 

the property was sold and the proceeds were swallowed up for his secured loan

 

I stopped paying the unsecured loan in April 2013 (when we split up we walked away and paid nothing)

I rented out property and we sold this end of 2013

there is nothing on my credit file for this unsecured loan that is now £16k

 

-I was able to obtain a mortgage in 2016 no problems

I am now getting letters from a company working for the bank wanting payment of the £16k

 

- I had some correspondence with them back in 2016 and then it stopped

 

- my question is

do I have to pay this?

why hasn't this been on my credit files??

I hope I have explained properly

 

I know it will be 6 years of non payment in April but as I had correspondence in 2016 would this be statute barred

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no it wont reset the SB clock

 

name names please

who was the loan with

who is chasing now

who is their stated client..

 

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Please can you just be a little more specific about the timeframe here. You say that your ex took out an unsecured loan after having forged your signature. This was a loan against a joint account/loan or simply in your name?

 

You then suggest that you were coerced into keeping quiet about the matter until two years later – are we talking about 2009?

 

You say that you entered into some correspondence regarding this loan in 2016. Can you tell us about the correspondence.

 

The last payment you made towards this unsecured loan was in 2013. Can you tell us when.

 

Which company is it that is contacting you now?

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sorry no

we both took out a Together Mortgage which was a mortgage and an unsecured loan in 2006

 

In 2007 he took out the fraudulent secured loan in both of our names.

I was pressured to keep quiet as he was going to pay back the secured loan (never happened)

in 2009 I report it and open a long drawn out case with NRAM

 

The correspondence in 2016 was from solicitors acting on behalf of NRAM (at the time I was getting a mortgage so I did respond to them to avoid any hitches on my new mortgage) and I need to dig out the letters but i did ask them to provide all information they had on the account

- they wanted an income and exp report which i never provided and i didn't agree to any payment plan

- and then the letters just fizzled out

 

Last payment was 2 April 2013

 

Company contacting me is UK Asset Resolution

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Sorry, I got confused.

 

I now understand that there is no further issue with the fraudulently obtained loan because that has been settled.

 

What has not been settled is the unsecured loan which you took out in 2006. Is that correct?

 

You kept on paying against the unsecured loan until 2013 and then you stopped. When was that?

 

There has been no further correspondence about this other than in 2016. In that correspondence did you acknowledge the debt?

 

You are now receiving correspondence from some other company about the unsecured loan - UK Asset Resolution-

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i stopped paying in April 2013 - when you say acknowledge the debt what do you mean? state to the yes i agree this debt is owed by myself?

I did say that in 2015 i took my ex to court and he put in his Record of Examination he added that he pays NRAM £50 per mth ( i believe my ex lied on this Record of Examination form as no such monies had been paid)

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By acknowledging the debt I mean whether you have at any time said to anybody representing NRAM that you were still indebted to them. Any payment or acknowledgement of the debt can reset the clock on the six year limitation period. I suppose that this could also refer to an admission in court.

 

I'm not too sure of my ground here that it wouldn't surprise me that as this is a joint account in which you are jointly and severally liable, then an acknowledgement by your ex-partner could also be taken to be an acknowledgement on your behalf.

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don't worry too much about this,

 

I think you are about the 3rd/4th person to come here about the old unsecured loans that those companies gave to make a mortgage to 100% or 110% with no deposits.

 

i'll find the other threads later, but its seems to be just a mass phishing exercise to get a few mugs to pay them free money before they either go statute barred

if not statute barred already.

 

one I think progressed a wee bit further whereby UKAR claimed that as it was 'to do with securing a mortgage' that SB was 12yrs on it...tough luck trying to pull that one UKAR!!

 

pers i'd not respond, its just a phishing letter...

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If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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It certainly seems like they are sending out lots of letters of old customers and seeing what they can get - it is very unsettling though - I will not respond and wait and see what happens next - thank you for you help/advise

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signed it?

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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well not long to go pers I'd let this run.

I've never seen a court case here whereby any such letter has been produced to counter an SB defence claim.

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Received another nice letter from NRAM, stating I have three options.

 

1. Arrange a payment plan.

2. Lump sum for Full and final settlement (anybody got an idea of what sort of percentage they are after).

3. Regular or irregular payments, even if the amount is nominal.

 

I have looked through the forum and seen this is common practice and if they follow the same procedure I will then receive another letter stating that they havnt heard from me and may sent to a DCA

what would you advise? hold out and see what happens

If you do full and final settlement what % is usually agreed?

Thank you for your time

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No let it run

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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  • 2 weeks later...

I received a call from NRAM on my work phone

- they would have had that number on file

- the person asked for me but I hung up

- I panicked

 

I thought that NRAM would just pass my case onto a collection agency?

 

I know you cant see into the future but what I your gut instinct on this case?

 

Has anyone else had this?

 

Thanks

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let it run

they seem desperate to get you to start paying before SB hits

they shouldn't be ringing known works numbers.

 

if you want to take them to course then clearly state on the phone that they are not to use this number again, ask for the operators name and number.

 

you don't have to ID yourself - just that you are the controller or boss or WHY of the line / company and such calls you do not allow

 

tell them to if they call again a serious complaint to the FCA / ICO will result.

and that the calls are all recorded for evidence

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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it will be SB in a year so you have to make a decision on what to do in the meanwhile.

Ignoring it completely will buy a certain amount of time as will entering into pointless communications with them as long as you never admit that by doing so you accept that you are liable for the debt.

 

Another problem is not knowing what your ex has said and done in the interim.

 

Forging your sig unfortunately only creates a cause for action against him by you as you have accpeted and benefitted from this in the meanwhile (it may not seem like it but that is that).

 

I think it will be another month before they write again so ignore this and start digging up what you have as far as paperwork, esp on any PPI or charges they appplied to the account.

 

They are chasing you as they know you have assest so what about your ex?

where is he at the moment as they can chase you jointly or separately on this.

 

as he has a dodgy past it is unlikely he will volunteer to pay the lot off but knowing if they are reaching out to both of you would be helpful for you

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take legal action to get it deducted from your salary?

what without a CCJ?

twaddle there im afraid as is all the letter.

 

govt owned says at the bottom too!

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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