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    • no i meant the email from parcel2go which email address did they send it from and who signed it off (whos name is at the bottom)
    • I understand confusion with this thread.  I tried to keep threads separate because there have been so many angles.    But a team member merged them all.  This is why it's hard to keep track. This forum exists to help little people fight injustice - however big or small.  Im here to try get a decent resolution. Not to give in to the ' big boys'. My "matter' became complicated 'matters' simply because a lender refused to sell a property. What can I say?  I'll try in a nutshell to give an overview: There's a long lease property. I originally bought it short lease with a s.146 on it from original freeholder.  I had no concerns. So lender should have been able to sell a well-maintained lovely long lease property.  The property was great. The issue is not the property.  Economy, sdlt increases, elections, brexit, covid, interest hikes etc didn't help.  The issue is simple - the lender wanted to keep it.    Before repo I offered to clear my loan.  I was a bit short and lender refused.  They said (recorded) they thought the property was worth much more and they were happy to keep accruing interest (in their benefit) until it reached a point where they felt they could repo and still easily quickly sell to get their £s back.  This was a mistake.  The market was (and is) tough.   2y later the lender ceo bid the same sum to buy the property for himself. He'd rejected higher offers in the intervening period whilst accruing interest. I had the property under offer to a fantastic niche buyer but lender rushed to repo and buyer got spooked and walked.  It had taken a long time to find such a lucrative buyer.  A sale which would have resulted in £s and another asset for me. Post repo lender had 1 offer immediately.  But dragged out the process for >1y - allegedly trying to get other offers. But disclosure shows there was only one valid buyer. Lender appointed receiver (after 4 months) - simply to try acquire the freehold.  He used his powers as receiver to use me, as leaseholder, to serve notice on freeholders.  Legally that failed. Meanwhile lender failed to secure property - and squatters got in (3 times).  And they failed to maintain it.  So freeholders served a dilapidations notice (external) - on me as leaseholder (cc-ed to lender).   (That's how it works legally) I don't own the freehold.  But I am a trustee and have to do right by the freeholders.  This is where matters got/ get complicated.  And probably lose most caggers.   Lawyers got involved for the freeholders to firstly void the receiver enfranchisement notice. Secondly, to serve the dilapidations notice.  The lack of maintenance was in breach of lease and had to be served to protect fh asset. The lender did no repairs. They said a buyer would undertake them. Which was probably correct. If they had sold. After 1y lender finally agreed to sell to the 1st offeror and contracts went with lawyers.  Within 1 month lender reneged.  Lender tried to suggest buyer walked. Evidence shows he/ his lawyers continued trying to exchange (cash) for 4 months.  Evidence shows lender and receiver strategy had been to renege and for ceo to take control.   I still think that's their plan. Lender then stupidly chose to pretty much bulldoze the property.  Other stuff was going on in the background. After repo I was in touch by phone and email and lender knew post got to me.   Despite this, after about 10 months (before and then during covid), they deliberately sent SDs and eventually a B petition to an incorrect address and an obscure small court.  They never served me properly.  (In hindsight I understand they hoped to get a backdoor B - so they could keep the property that way.)  Eventually the random court told them to email me by way of service.  At this point their ruse to make me B failed.  I got a lawyer (friend paid). The B petition was struck out. They’d failed to include the property as an asset. They were in breach of insolvency rules. Simultaneously the receiver again appointed lawyers to act on my behalf as leaseholder. This time to serve notice on the freeholders for a lease extension.  He had hoped to try and vary the strict lease. Evidence shows the already long length of lease wasn't an issue.  The lender obviously hoped to get round their lack of permission to do works (which they were already doing) by hoping to remove the strict clauses that prevent leaseholder doing alterations.   The extension created a new legal angle for me to deal with.  I had to act as trustee for freeholders against me as leaseholder/ the receiver.  Inconsistencies and incompetence by receiver lawyers dragged this out 3y.  It still isn't properly resolved.  Meanwhile - going back to the the works the lender undertook. The works were consciously in breach of lease.  The lender hadn't remedied the breaches listed in the dilapidations notice.  They destroyed the property.  The trustees compiled all evidence.  The freeholders lawyers then served a forfeiture notice. This notice started a different legal battle. I was acting for the freeholders against what the lender had done on my behalf as leaseholder.  This legal battle took 3y to resolve. The simple exit would have been for lender to sell. A simple agreement to remedy the breaches and recompense the freeholders in compensation - and there's have been clean title to sell.  That option was proposed to them.   This happened by way of mediation for all parties 2y ago.  A resolution option was put forward and in principle agreed.  But immediately after the lender lawyers failed to engage.  A hard lesson to learn - mediation cannot be referred to in court. It's considered w/o prejudice. The steps they took have made no difference to their ability to sell the property.  Almost 3y since they finished works they still haven't sold. ** ** I followed up some leads myself.  A qualified cash buyer offered me a substantial sum.  The lender and receiver both refused it.   I found another offer in disclosure.  6 months later someone had apparently offered a substantial sum via an agent.  The receiver again rejected it.  The problem of course was that the agent had inflated the market price to get the business. But no-one was or is ever going to offer their list price.  Yet the receiver wanted/wants to hold out for the list price.  Which means 1y later not only has it not sold - disclosure shows few viewings and zero interest.  It's transparently over-priced.  And tarnished. For those asking why I don't give up - I couldn't/ can't.  Firstly I have fiduciary duties as a trustee. Secondly, legal advice indicates I (as leaseholder) could succeed with a large compensation claim v the lender.  Also - I started a claim v my old lawyer and the firm immediately reimbursed some £s. That was encouraging.  And a sign to continue.  So I'm going for compensation.  I had finance in place (via friend) to do a deal and take the property back off the lender - and that lawyer messed up bad.   He should have done a deal.  Instead further years have been wasted.   Maybe I only get back my lost savings - but that will be a result.   If I can add some kind of complaint/ claim v the receiver's conscious impropriety I will do so.   I have been left with nothing - so fighting for something is worth it. The lender wants to talk re a form of settlement.  Similar to my proposal 2y ago.  I have a pretty clear idea of what that means to me.  This is exactly why I do not give up.  And why I continue to ask for snippets of advice/ pointers on cag.  
    • It was all my own work based on my previous emails to P2G which Bank has seen.
    • I was referring to #415 where you wrote "I was forced to try to sell - and couldn't." . And nearer the start in #79 .. "I couldn't sell.  I had an incredibly valuable asset. Huge equity.  But the interest accrued / the property market suffered and I couldn't find a buyer even at a level just to clear the debt." In #194 you said you'd tried to sell for four years.  The reason for these points is that a lot of the claims against for example your surveyor, solicitor, broker, the lender and now the receiver are mainly founded in a belief that they should have been able to do something but did not. Things that might seem self evident to you but not necessarily to others. Pressing these claims may well need a bit more hard evidence, rather than an appeal to common sense. Can you show evidence of similar properties, with similar freehold issues, selling readily? And solid reasons why the lender should have been able to sell when you couldn't.
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Sorry guys, i took the lazy approach and ignored everything again.

 

I have received nothing for a long time and then suddenly a letter from Cabot saying they are

passing my debt to Ruthbridge, a debt collection agency. In the same envelope (is money too

tight to post 2 letters?) A letter from Ruthbridge saying to contact them.

 

I had a message on my answerphone..

 

This is a call for (silence) Please contact us using your reference. Thats it. I googled the number

to see Ruthbridge mentioned.

 

This is a Citi card debt with the last payment in 2006. So long past being statute barred.

 

Its time to move on now and put a stop to these letters dragging up a period i would rather

forget. Will they stop or will they write forever?

 

Thank you. PS i know i am a pain the the bottom and so lazy when it comes to dealing

with these people but its time to do something. (if possible)

 

PS. Do i phone, email or write to them?

 

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Send the sb letter so they're in no doubt. Otherwise Cabot may try and continue chasing. Once they receive it they're obliged to take note and not chase it

Any advice i give is my own and is based solely on personal experience. If in any doubt about a situation , please contact a certified legal representative or debt counsellor..

 

 

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fca conc rules

 

see the debt collection section of our library for the letter

 

just remember in E+W a statute barred debt still exists and they can ask for payment

you can equally ask them to go away

they cant threaten court mind

 

 

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Nope. Once you notify them of a true SB stautus, they must mark their files accordingly and stop chasing.

Any advice i give is my own and is based solely on personal experience. If in any doubt about a situation , please contact a certified legal representative or debt counsellor..

 

 

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go read our sb letter its all in there

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Thanks.

I really must stop being so lazy.

 

Although i read something the other day,

someone had been paying a token amount to a debt collector for many many years and the debt has increased and increased.

 

Someone told them it would be statute barred after 6 years,

but they were quite upset to be told no

because you're still paying them.

 

So glad i looked into this and i am not in that situation.

 

Time to move on Thanks again.

No more credit...

Want it now.

Pay for it now.

 

Thanks all.

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Persistent little so and so's. Heard nothing for years and now a call virtually every day.

 

Wife answered a call today with a local number, do they have offices all over or do they have

batch numbers they use from a call centre?

 

Caller was arrogant and sounded threatening she said "I NEED and I WANT to speak to (My Name)".

 

Must remember to try and record them if they call and i answer.

 

Re: the SB letter. I dont need the without prejudice do I? Not admitting to anything new which could have reset

the SB clock. No payments since Aug 2006. Although i thought it was later.

 

Do i change the number of years or just leave it at over 6?

 

7.15.4 applies to me mostly. I have not spoken to them since at least Sept 2006 never mind admitted

anything to them.

 

Do i still put 7.15.8 in ? even though i have not actually conveyed this to them? I chose the ignore

until they give up.

 

I wonder how many other accounts they have of mine? Would i need to do this to any other letters

with different account numbers? Or should this give them warning im not interested?

 

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they use spoofing programs [like skype call] that can portray any number they like that they are calling from

typically we find once these tactics are employed

they already well know its totally dead in the water.

 

 

it could actually be quite interesting to answer them and record the call

because if they start threatening things like court and bailiffs the FCA will eat them for breakfast as the debt is tatute barred.

 

 

I wouldn't be adapting the letter at all IMHO.

just send it.

 

 

dx

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Is the local number a ruse to get those that know the 013 numbers are mostly debt collectors

and to ignore it where a local call maybe answered?

 

Or to make me think they have a local office and worry i will get a knock on the door?

 

I wonder if they will play the you paid us ££ on (date within 6 years) so its not

statute barred?

 

So just send the letter as it and not modify it at all? Will do that,.

 

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many people have phones/trucall that allows passthru of all calls from local exchanges

 

 

so they get thru

means nothing really.

 

 

send our sb letter

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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I personally wouldn't even acknowledge Ruthbridge..once Caboot pass it to the next desk (Ruthbridge) you can be assured its coming to the end of the cycle.

 

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Andy, if it was just me then they can call as much as they like. I have a call blocker which is probably

stuffed with their phone numbers over the years.

 

If i do actually pickup then they wont get far with me.

But the wife worries and will always think they can come in and take everything.

 

LATE EDIT:

For the cost of a stamp, it may put a stop to them.

 

Its been a long time now,

and i have probably mentioned when it first happened we didnt know what would/could happen.

 

Phone calls at all hours of the day and night,

text messages to the house phone which came through at midnight and then repeated if you didnt pickup within a couple of hours.

 

Cards received with a stamp saying we have a parcel and call to redeliver.

 

The email address i used for banking was then suddenly hit with a ton of SPAM,

Websites offering cheap TVs etc.

Registered to someone that worked at one of the debt companies.. Coicidence?

I think not.. Chinese guy?

 

I had letters from virtually all the debt companies...

 

Thanks everyone.

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and if they really could they'd issue a claim......

I doubt they are behind any of the other stuff you claim...

 

simply the fear the portray to debtors ....

 

time to wise up the mrs and get complaining to the ICO/FCA/FOS etc

 

no good sitting upon evidence that they are causing harassment....

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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100% true on the adverts for big screen TVs at discount prices, this was back in 2007 ish when they were

always doing naughty things like posting little white cards saying you missed a parcel and to call

to arrange redelivery. Yet it had a stamp in it. Someone did mention which company that was

likely to be. Something logistics?

 

I know i have jumped the gun a bit on some unknown phone numbers. But i am 101% sure that the

website offering cheap goods was registered to the same person working at one of the debt collection

companies. Fairly sure it was a Chinese name. Anyone remember a chinese guy working work

a debt collection company. Vaugue memory that the company being London based but the domain

registered more towards Devon?

 

The guy had also setup his own debt company, or another company with him named on it.

 

If it was just general spam then i totally agree, but the only link to the email was my CC bills and

my ISP. And that doesnt explain the website being registered to the same name of the guy

at the debt collection company.

 

I know its far too late to for them to do anything, just the wife worried. I said i need to post a

letter tomorrow and she worried again that it would start something off. I dont care either

way thanks to all the info from you guys.

 

She is in 2 minds about the letter. She said ignore them, i said are you sure because a letter

should stop them calling ever again.

 

Thanks, guys. Printing the letter now so she can have the choice to ignore and tell them to

go away or post it in the morning.

 

A big thank you.

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you don't need to do anything

and i'm not sure what you reasoning behind the rest of you post implies

its spam/phishing for a mug

 

 

don't be one and respond

that's why they do these things

to gander a response

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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I did waffle a bit..

 

Its just that i know what spam is like and even the most obscure email address will get some at some point,

but when my financial trouble started the spam on my credit card email address increased substantially.

 

And when i checked out one of the links in the email it was registered to an employee at one of the

debt collection agencies. Yes trying to trick me into contacting them or trick me into trying to

buy something which would then let them know that i had money to spend i guess.

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Do i write to Cabot or Ruthbridge? I assume Cabot.

 

Thanks

 

Refer to post#12

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Hi Andy sorry to bother you

but I am in exact same boat as deepinthewhatsit

and have just received the same form of letter asking me to contact ruthbridge and not cabot

 

 

just so I am clear are you advising to contact Cabot only and not Ruthbridge or advising to ignore the letter altogether and nothing more will come of it???

 

 

sorry to have jumped on the bandwagon and

 

 

I am honestly not wanting to hijack the thread

 

 

but I am in such a similar situation and I just dont want any more annoying letters or having to block anymore phonecalls from these blood suckers.

TIA

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dave best to start a new thread

 

 

dx

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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  • 1 year later...

is to start a new thread

of your OWN please

 

dx

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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