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    • no i meant the email from parcel2go which email address did they send it from and who signed it off (whos name is at the bottom)
    • I understand confusion with this thread.  I tried to keep threads separate because there have been so many angles.    But a team member merged them all.  This is why it's hard to keep track. This forum exists to help little people fight injustice - however big or small.  Im here to try get a decent resolution. Not to give in to the ' big boys'. My "matter' became complicated 'matters' simply because a lender refused to sell a property. What can I say?  I'll try in a nutshell to give an overview: There's a long lease property. I originally bought it short lease with a s.146 on it from original freeholder.  I had no concerns. So lender should have been able to sell a well-maintained lovely long lease property.  The property was great. The issue is not the property.  Economy, sdlt increases, elections, brexit, covid, interest hikes etc didn't help.  The issue is simple - the lender wanted to keep it.   House or Flat? 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After repo I was in touch by phone and email and lender knew post got to me.   Despite this, after about 10 months (before and then during covid), they deliberately sent SDs and eventually a B petition to an incorrect address and an obscure small court.  They never served me properly.  (In hindsight I understand they hoped to get a backdoor B - so they could keep the property that way.)  Eventually the random court told them to email me by way of service.  At this point their ruse to make me B failed.  I got a lawyer (friend paid). The B petition was struck out. They’d failed to include the property as an asset. They were in breach of insolvency rules. So this is dealt with then. Simultaneously the receiver again appointed lawyers to act on my behalf as leaseholder. This time to serve notice on the freeholders for a lease extension.  He had hoped to try and vary the strict lease. Evidence shows the already long length of lease wasn't an issue.  The lender obviously hoped to get round their lack of permission to do works (which they were already doing) by hoping to remove the strict clauses that prevent leaseholder doing alterations.  You wouldn't vary a lease through a lease extension. You'd need a Deed of Variation for that. This may be done at the same time but the lease has already been extended once and that's all they have a right to. The extension created a new legal angle for me to deal with.  I had to act as trustee for freeholders against me as leaseholder/ the receiver.  Inconsistencies and incompetence by receiver lawyers dragged this out 3y.  It still isn't properly resolved. The lease has already been extended once so they have no right to another extension. It seems pretty easy to just get the lawyer to say no and stick by those terms as the law is on your side there. Meanwhile - going back to the the works the lender undertook. The works were consciously in breach of lease.  The lender hadn't remedied the breaches listed in the dilapidations notice.  They destroyed the property.  The trustees compiled all evidence.  The freeholders lawyers then served a forfeiture notice. This notice started a different legal battle. I was acting for the freeholders against what the lender had done on my behalf as leaseholder.  This legal battle took 3y to resolve. Again, order them to revert it as they didn't have permission to do the works, or else serve an S146 notice for breach of the lease. The simple exit would have been for lender to sell. A simple agreement to remedy the breaches and recompense the freeholders in compensation - and there's have been clean title to sell.  That option was proposed to them.   This happened by way of mediation for all parties 2y ago.  A resolution option was put forward and in principle agreed.  But immediately after the lender lawyers failed to engage.  A hard lesson to learn - mediation cannot be referred to in court. It's considered w/o prejudice. The steps they took have made no difference to their ability to sell the property.  Almost 3y since they finished works they still haven't sold. ** ** I followed up some leads myself.  A qualified cash buyer offered me a substantial sum.  The lender and receiver both refused it.   I found another offer in disclosure.  6 months later someone had apparently offered a substantial sum via an agent.  The receiver again rejected it.  The problem of course was that the agent had inflated the market price to get the business. But no-one was or is ever going to offer their list price.  Yet the receiver wanted/wants to hold out for the list price.  Which means 1y later not only has it not sold - disclosure shows few viewings and zero interest.  It's transparently over-priced.  And tarnished. For those asking why I don't give up - I couldn't/ can't.  Firstly I have fiduciary duties as a trustee. Secondly, legal advice indicates I (as leaseholder) could succeed with a large compensation claim v the lender.  Also - I started a claim v my old lawyer and the firm immediately reimbursed some £s. That was encouraging.  And a sign to continue.  So I'm going for compensation.  I had finance in place (via friend) to do a deal and take the property back off the lender - and that lawyer messed up bad.   He should have done a deal.  Instead further years have been wasted.   Maybe I only get back my lost savings - but that will be a result.   If I can add some kind of complaint/ claim v the receiver's conscious impropriety I will do so.   I have been left with nothing - so fighting for something is worth it. The lender wants to talk re a form of settlement.  Similar to my proposal 2y ago.  I have a pretty clear idea of what that means to me.  This is exactly why I do not give up.  And why I continue to ask for snippets of advice/ pointers on cag.  
    • It was all my own work based on my previous emails to P2G which Bank has seen.
    • I was referring to #415 where you wrote "I was forced to try to sell - and couldn't." . And nearer the start in #79 .. "I couldn't sell.  I had an incredibly valuable asset. Huge equity.  But the interest accrued / the property market suffered and I couldn't find a buyer even at a level just to clear the debt." In #194 you said you'd tried to sell for four years.  The reason for these points is that a lot of the claims against for example your surveyor, solicitor, broker, the lender and now the receiver are mainly founded in a belief that they should have been able to do something but did not. Things that might seem self evident to you but not necessarily to others. Pressing these claims may well need a bit more hard evidence, rather than an appeal to common sense. Can you show evidence of similar properties, with similar freehold issues, selling readily? And solid reasons why the lender should have been able to sell when you couldn't.
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Hi guys massive advice needed.

 

I'll try and get to the point but this is so complex you would not believe.

 

Split up from wife in Jan 14 moved out she stayed in house due to the 2 kids.

Morgage solely in my name.

 

Went on credit report Nov 15 due to not being able to get a overdraft credit card or add a tablet to phone contract.

Couldn't access it for weeks due to many factors one my own fault did no realise I wasn't on electoral roll.

 

When I did get on it there was quite a bit of debt

not a huge amount but things I knew nothing of.

Signature forged etc.

 

One debt ended up in a CCJ, but I went to court and had it set aside.

I have not reported her for fraud due to the kids.

 

Lots of credit searches in her name to payday loan company's

many to a company called welcome finance.

 

Who had been calling me about a debt for a few months prior about a joint account .

Yet every time I went down local office when I found out where it was

no one would speak to me due to data protection.

There is nothing on experian tying me in with this debt no default, no loan account

 

Due to CCJ I contacted land registry to see if anything there

and a legal charge secured loan to progressive finance 2006 again not clue how.

 

Do some digging and welcome and progressive same company

. I email them for more info.

They tell me it's down to a secured loan I took out in 2008?

But the charge says 2006

 

I asked for further information on this? Such as a credit agreement.

As I have had no dealings with your company.

Other than a few phone calls regarding payments

 

when I went down to the local office in Merthyr and returned phone calls asking for more information

no one would speak to me regarding it or provide what I asked for.

I requested a CCA which the returned po and asked for my signature

 

I did not sign and told them they gave sent information before so I have no need to prove who I am

 

they emailed a credit agreement dated 2008 which looks like my signature

but you can barely make figures out.

 

After the 12 + 2 days were up.

I head office they were now in default and they had not provided me with what I'd requested

 

. I then received a sar.

I had a default notice asking for arrears from local office

, they were sent a debt dispute letter.

 

I had thank you for being a good customer

and local branch were moving in April 2016 heard nothing since

 

I look through sar there are blank pieces of paper with my signature on there are loans

some look like they are my signature some definitely aren't mine.

 

almost all have her and my signature loans are from 2001 to 2008

the last loan was for 30 grand and 39 grand interest on top 300 months?

 

There are call logs saying mr called in

was not me phone calls again not me

 

. But the handful of times I did ring or go down to get answers nothing logged

. Am bank statement in this sar are ex wife's.

 

There are some of my bank details for direct debits

I've checked my bank there were many payments to welcome.

No dockets of mine in there or proof of my wages at all.

 

There a piece of paper saying legal charge 2008 but it hasn't been registered with land registry.

 

There are statements and I have to admit when I left in 2014 I paid money to this company as she worked out who would paid what.

Stupid not to question but my head was in shed when I left. .

 

I have calculated that £20.6026 has been paid to loan since 2008

balance on then was £30,514.26 and still stood at £25,384.31 in July 15

 

no payments since jun 2015 cos I had already wised up by then

and thought why am I paying a debt that's hers.

 

The loan before this in 2006 you can't read figures on the fixed loan sum agreement

it looks like £429 a month.

 

on the contract and legal charge agreement it says £129.39 180 months

they all look like re writes but not all are that readable.

Plus they have overinflated house price in 2003.

Is this loan legal enforceable?

 

What can I do? Help??

Still haven't heard a pip out of welcome.

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So what is your actual problem?

You say there is no charge showing

And

Your CRA file is clear too

 

So......

Just the fact that you owe them?

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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The problem is my name looks like it's all over it.

 

I have had no dealings with this company until last year.

 

A charge in 2006 for one loan but the loan is 2008 is not registered with land registry.

 

I don't know what to do as regards to this loan I knew nothing about

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OK still trying to understand what you are writing

Its not too clearly explained

 

So there is a charge showing from 2006 against the home

 

I suggest since then everything has been refinanced lots of times??

 

So you want the charge gone?

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NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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I would like charge gone and there was only one loan after this it was taken out in 2008 (not by me) gone

and I'm unsure as to which steps to take on this.

 

I must add that I have paid off other debt that my ex wife took out.

 

But I am in no position financially to pay this off if they do come after me

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I suspect each and every loan has

ppi

numerous insurances on each one

and probably MIF too?

 

all of those are reclaimable at their int rate.

 

any chance you can scan each agreement up?

one multipage PDF document please only.

follow the upload guide

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NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

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are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Not every loan since 2001 has Ppi

it totals around £14k

only one has Mif on.

 

Some medi care and some charges

 

I have spoke to fscs and I am waiting a pack in post.

 

I haven't admitted debt

but what my thoughts are here I that could be claimed back would it sort debt

I will try but not sure if you will read it cos it's very small

 

On iPad so don't think poss

 

Off to work now.

 

Will try later or in the morning

 

do you want every agreement from 2001 or the last 2

 

Think I've done them anything further you need to know just ask

 

08 loan.

 

More PDFs

 

Don't know how much the charge is for

 

land registry couldn't give me that info

and said to speak to progressive finance and

 

when I queried with welcome they said it cos of secured I took out in 2008.

 

I've posted all agreements( could you view them)

 

there are 2 other loans with Ppi on in sar 2001 and 2003

but no agreement to match

only loan history financial statement

 

The only statements in sar are from 2008 to 2015

.but i do loan history statements from 2001

 

Are these what you want? These are the first ones from 2001 I have lots more so will take a while

 

Fab thanks so much I'm uploading the last of the old loans and I'll update the loan 08 that's still outstanding in new thread. I've cropped loads cos it's more paper than info

 

Last loan in 2008 this is the one I calculated around 20 grand has been paid off

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post every agreement up and statements if you have them.

 

the PPI would have rolled over certainly to the secured loan from the refinanced one into it.

 

how much is the charge for?

 

yep brill keep going

then when you are finished ill sort all the docs out

 

keep to one thread for now please

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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nothing yet too busy at present

you are second in the queue

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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can you redo pages 3+4 of this PDF

take clearer photos please

 

I cant complete the story without seeing the un rdacted bits

I need to see the full sheet of each statement and the numbers / accounts they refer too.

side/bottom numbers

if I send you via PM a secure email ad

can you send them all to me?

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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thank you done

this is going to be interesting

I've spotted a few things already

but dates on agreements and clear scans of those are needed too

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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post the unredacted stuff via email not up here please

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

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are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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I noticed:lol:

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If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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I'm hoping you can make more sense of it than me

 

 

I've had it all since April when I disputed debt and then asked for a cca

they didn't comply

I then wrote back saying they were in default of my request and received the sar!! :-x

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its complex yes

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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working on a very complex situation

you are not forgotten.

 

 

dx

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NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

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are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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one thing that's becoming evidently clear...

 

there are SOOO so many agreements chaining together..

 

the overriding conclusion i'm coming too

is that through all their insurances over all the agreements..

Homecare

lifecare

PPI

MIF

 

that the total of all of those under a reclaim will far far exceed whatever you owe..

 

before I delve further

can we just confirm

there is no charge showing anywhere against any property?

and there are no accounts left on your credit file?

 

and its imply the worry that one day they might come after what they think you owe?

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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The only charge on my property that is registered with land registry in is 2006 is with progressive finance not the newest loan in 2008.

 

The first time I accessed my credit file was Nov 2015 and there was nothing on there to do with welcome finance

no searches and no outstanding loan in my name. Which is rather bizarre when I paid last payment in May 2015.

 

However my ex wife was associated with me on there and they had clearly done searches on her.

Want me to upload this info? .

I disassociated her. And nothing now mentioning them at all.

There's has been no change on that either.

I am still waiting for a pack off fscs.

 

 

How shall I proceed?

Yes I'm worried sick about it all.

But have not heard a pip since April after I sent a debt dispute letter and requested a CCA.

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