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    • no i meant the email from parcel2go which email address did they send it from and who signed it off (whos name is at the bottom)
    • I understand confusion with this thread.  I tried to keep threads separate because there have been so many angles.    But a team member merged them all.  This is why it's hard to keep track. This forum exists to help little people fight injustice - however big or small.  Im here to try get a decent resolution. Not to give in to the ' big boys'. My "matter' became complicated 'matters' simply because a lender refused to sell a property. What can I say?  I'll try in a nutshell to give an overview: There's a long lease property. I originally bought it short lease with a s.146 on it from original freeholder.  I had no concerns. So lender should have been able to sell a well-maintained lovely long lease property.  The property was great. The issue is not the property.  Economy, sdlt increases, elections, brexit, covid, interest hikes etc didn't help.  The issue is simple - the lender wanted to keep it.   House or Flat? Before repo I offered to clear my loan.  I was a bit short and lender refused.  They said (recorded) they thought the property was worth much more and they were happy to keep accruing interest (in their benefit) until it reached a point where they felt they could repo and still easily quickly sell to get their £s back.  This was a mistake.  The market was (and is) tough.   2y later the lender ceo bid the same sum to buy the property for himself. He'd rejected higher offers in the intervening period whilst accruing interest. Lenders have a legal obligation to sell the property for the best price they can get. If they feel the offer is low they won't sell it, because it's likely the borrower will say the same. I had the property under offer to a fantastic niche buyer but lender rushed to repo and buyer got spooked and walked.  It had taken a long time to find such a lucrative buyer.  A sale which would have resulted in £s and another asset for me. Post repo lender had 1 offer immediately.  But dragged out the process for >1y - allegedly trying to get other offers. But disclosure shows there was only one valid buyer. Again, points as above. Lender appointed receiver (after 4 months) - simply to try acquire the freehold.  He used his powers as receiver to use me, as leaseholder, to serve notice on freeholders.  Legally that failed. Meanwhile lender failed to secure property - and squatters got in (3 times).  And they failed to maintain it.  So freeholders served a dilapidations notice (external) - on me as leaseholder (cc-ed to lender).   (That's how it works legally) Why serve a delapidations notice? If it's in the terms of the lease to maintain the property to a good standard, then serve an S146 notice instead as it's a clear breach of the lease. I don't own the freehold.  But I am a trustee and have to do right by the freeholders.  This is where matters got/ get complicated.  And probably lose most caggers.   Lawyers got involved for the freeholders to firstly void the receiver enfranchisement notice. Secondly, to serve the dilapidations notice.  The lack of maintenance was in breach of lease and had to be served to protect fh asset. Enfranchisement isn't something that can be "voided", it's in the Leasehold Reform Act 1967 that leaseholders have the right to buy the freehold of the property. It's normal, whether it is a "normal" leaseholder or a repossession with a leasehold house, to claim this right of enfranchisement and sell the property with said rights attached and the purchase price of the freehold included in the final completion price. That's likely what the mortgage provider wished to do. The lender did no repairs. They said a buyer would undertake them. Which was probably correct. If they had sold. After 1y lender finally agreed to sell to the 1st offeror and contracts went with lawyers.  Within 1 month lender reneged.  Lender tried to suggest buyer walked. Evidence shows he/ his lawyers continued trying to exchange (cash) for 4 months.  Evidence shows lender and receiver strategy had been to renege and for ceo to take control.   I still think that's their plan. Redact and scan said evidence up for others to look at? Lender then stupidly chose to pretty much bulldoze the property.  Other stuff was going on in the background. After repo I was in touch by phone and email and lender knew post got to me.   Despite this, after about 10 months (before and then during covid), they deliberately sent SDs and eventually a B petition to an incorrect address and an obscure small court.  They never served me properly.  (In hindsight I understand they hoped to get a backdoor B - so they could keep the property that way.)  Eventually the random court told them to email me by way of service.  At this point their ruse to make me B failed.  I got a lawyer (friend paid). The B petition was struck out. They’d failed to include the property as an asset. They were in breach of insolvency rules. So this is dealt with then. Simultaneously the receiver again appointed lawyers to act on my behalf as leaseholder. This time to serve notice on the freeholders for a lease extension.  He had hoped to try and vary the strict lease. Evidence shows the already long length of lease wasn't an issue.  The lender obviously hoped to get round their lack of permission to do works (which they were already doing) by hoping to remove the strict clauses that prevent leaseholder doing alterations.  You wouldn't vary a lease through a lease extension. You'd need a Deed of Variation for that. This may be done at the same time but the lease has already been extended once and that's all they have a right to. The extension created a new legal angle for me to deal with.  I had to act as trustee for freeholders against me as leaseholder/ the receiver.  Inconsistencies and incompetence by receiver lawyers dragged this out 3y.  It still isn't properly resolved. The lease has already been extended once so they have no right to another extension. It seems pretty easy to just get the lawyer to say no and stick by those terms as the law is on your side there. Meanwhile - going back to the the works the lender undertook. The works were consciously in breach of lease.  The lender hadn't remedied the breaches listed in the dilapidations notice.  They destroyed the property.  The trustees compiled all evidence.  The freeholders lawyers then served a forfeiture notice. This notice started a different legal battle. I was acting for the freeholders against what the lender had done on my behalf as leaseholder.  This legal battle took 3y to resolve. Again, order them to revert it as they didn't have permission to do the works, or else serve an S146 notice for breach of the lease. The simple exit would have been for lender to sell. A simple agreement to remedy the breaches and recompense the freeholders in compensation - and there's have been clean title to sell.  That option was proposed to them.   This happened by way of mediation for all parties 2y ago.  A resolution option was put forward and in principle agreed.  But immediately after the lender lawyers failed to engage.  A hard lesson to learn - mediation cannot be referred to in court. It's considered w/o prejudice. The steps they took have made no difference to their ability to sell the property.  Almost 3y since they finished works they still haven't sold. ** ** I followed up some leads myself.  A qualified cash buyer offered me a substantial sum.  The lender and receiver both refused it.   I found another offer in disclosure.  6 months later someone had apparently offered a substantial sum via an agent.  The receiver again rejected it.  The problem of course was that the agent had inflated the market price to get the business. But no-one was or is ever going to offer their list price.  Yet the receiver wanted/wants to hold out for the list price.  Which means 1y later not only has it not sold - disclosure shows few viewings and zero interest.  It's transparently over-priced.  And tarnished. For those asking why I don't give up - I couldn't/ can't.  Firstly I have fiduciary duties as a trustee. Secondly, legal advice indicates I (as leaseholder) could succeed with a large compensation claim v the lender.  Also - I started a claim v my old lawyer and the firm immediately reimbursed some £s. That was encouraging.  And a sign to continue.  So I'm going for compensation.  I had finance in place (via friend) to do a deal and take the property back off the lender - and that lawyer messed up bad.   He should have done a deal.  Instead further years have been wasted.   Maybe I only get back my lost savings - but that will be a result.   If I can add some kind of complaint/ claim v the receiver's conscious impropriety I will do so.   I have been left with nothing - so fighting for something is worth it. The lender wants to talk re a form of settlement.  Similar to my proposal 2y ago.  I have a pretty clear idea of what that means to me.  This is exactly why I do not give up.  And why I continue to ask for snippets of advice/ pointers on cag.  
    • It was all my own work based on my previous emails to P2G which Bank has seen.
    • I was referring to #415 where you wrote "I was forced to try to sell - and couldn't." . And nearer the start in #79 .. "I couldn't sell.  I had an incredibly valuable asset. Huge equity.  But the interest accrued / the property market suffered and I couldn't find a buyer even at a level just to clear the debt." In #194 you said you'd tried to sell for four years.  The reason for these points is that a lot of the claims against for example your surveyor, solicitor, broker, the lender and now the receiver are mainly founded in a belief that they should have been able to do something but did not. Things that might seem self evident to you but not necessarily to others. Pressing these claims may well need a bit more hard evidence, rather than an appeal to common sense. Can you show evidence of similar properties, with similar freehold issues, selling readily? And solid reasons why the lender should have been able to sell when you couldn't.
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      The judge's reasoning is very useful and will certainly be helpful in any other cases relating to third-party rights where the customer has contracted with the courier company by using a broker.
      This is generally speaking the problem with using PackLink who are domiciled in Spain and very conveniently out of reach of the British justice system.

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      One of the points that the judge made was that the customers contract with the broker specifically refers to the courier – and it is clear that the courier knows that they are acting for a third party. There is no need to name the third party. They just have to be recognisably part of a class of person – such as a sender or a recipient of the parcel.

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I went to court on Tuesday.

 

My Mortgage lender was granted the possession order on 1 st charge of property

but they have me back in court 7 days after the 28 days of the 1st Possession order granted on the 2nd charge on the property

The mortgage is part of the same lending company as the secured loans.

 

I wondered if anyone has come up against this.

 

I did ask the mortgage advisor of the court to request for 56 days in court but the judge just granted 28 days.

 

I don't know where this sits if I'm still in the property after the 28 days and they go for an eviction date 7 days after the 28 as I'll be at court on that date.

 

I've sent my defence for the 2nd charges requesting 56 days for possession as I'm now finding somewhere else to live with 4 children in the property

 

.I'm on low income so it would give me more time for a deposit if I rent privately.

 

I've been in touch with My Local Council but it doesn't sound very good to be rehoused.

 

Any advice most welcome.

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Hi,

if you haven't left the property at the 28 days the lender will have to apply for an eviction order which will take another 7 - 14 days,

 

when you receive the eviction order you can apply to the court for a hearing and ask the judge for more time if you haven't found anywhere else to live.

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Thanks for the reply

 

I've got until the 1st oct

the 28 days are up on the 1st charge

but I'm in court for the 2nd charge 8th oct...

 

do I go to the court for stopping the eviction on the 1 st charge because of the 2nd one being heard by the same lending company.

 

Can a company request the eviction after the 2nd charge hearing meaning that they only go to court for one eviction order?

 

I'm concerned that they'll get one and I'll receive in the post the day I go to court for the 2nd.

 

Also I've received nothing from the court yet or my mortgage lender.

 

The court has written the letter to me but it goes in a posting pool

 

I rang them earlier.

They said it could take up to 4 days or more to receive it.

 

How does My Mortgage lender get back the keys?

 

Do they wait and see if the keys are returned for the 28th day?

before they apply for an eviction order.

 

I mentioned the 2nd charge hearing of possession to the mortgage advisor at the court but it didn't seem to register with him.

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Has anyone suggested the Mortgage Rescue Scheme to you?

 

Your mortgagee doesn't actually need another possession order for the second loan,

they can execute the first one after 1st October

- they probably started both cases at the same time

and instead of joining the claim,

they proceeded separately,

probably in the hopes that if the first one was suspended

they could get outright on the second.

 

They can execute the warrant on the first order after 1st October, they don't have to wait for the second hearing.

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I've been there with the GMRS and it was not nice and a complete fruitless exercise

I ended knowing more about it and finding just who they'd help and believe me it doesn't matter about My Children etc

from what various Agencies have told me you'd have to dying etc to be considered

if your house is over the capped amount they'll not consider it all.

 

I thought it was that, that they'd do that as they are not represented at the Court.

 

I told My Husband we'd have to get an emergency hearing at the court if we receive the eviction order

to give us more time in our defence

 

I've requested longer 56 days no harm in asking on the form

 

.I don't know if it would.

 

As my husband suffers with acute mental anxiety I've dealt with most of it,

 

he is at times is ready to lose the plot and is so mad with the mortgage lenders action from the beginning.

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I've been there with the GMRS and it was not nice and a complete fruitless exercise I ended knowing more about it and finding just who they'd help and believe me it doesn't matter about My Children etc from what various Agencies have told me you'd have to dying etc to be considered if your house is over the capped amount they'll not consider it all.I thought it was that, that they'd do that as they are not represented at the Court.I told My Husband we'd have to get an emergency hearing at the court if we receive the eviction order to give us more time in our defence I've requested longer 56 days no harm in asking on the form.I don't know if it would.As my husband suffers with acute mental anxiety I've dealt with most of it,he is at times is ready to lose the plot and is so mad with the mortgage lenders action from the beginning.

 

Did you actually submit an application and it was rejected?

 

Though of course, you are right that if your house is worth more than your area allows, then they can't help.

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Twice the property was put through the Mortgage Rescue.

 

I still haven't got my letter yet from the court.

 

I've a close relative who works in social housing so he's given me some advice when I see the local council next week

one of which I can't repeat on here but it does help certain members of Society to be rehoused with no problem .

 

My Mortgage lender just used the Mortgage Rescue as they didn't want to do anything else before I fell into arrears.

 

I've been to the highest level regarding a rescue and what I was told well it's not what it's made out to be whatever your circumstances.

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Received the date to leave My Property 1st Oct or before

but noticed that they have a Money Judgement to be restored at Liberty.

 

I presume that this is in case the house sells for less than what is outstanding on the mortgage and secured loans.

 

I know they can seek any outstanding monies up to 12 years.

 

So if they have me back in court for a money judgement and I get a CCJ I can't see the point.

 

I suppose they cover all angles...I doubt if I'll ever be able to pay back any as I have unsecured debt too.

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If I have a hearing for the 2nd possession order on 8th oct

 

what can the judge say or do?

 

if there is a possession order for the hearing which took place 35 days earlier.

 

Can I stop the 1st if they sent an eviction notice before the 2nd hearing

 

I've put in a defence for the 2nd one and had their response back for the 2nd one.

 

Does this mean that I won't get a fair hearing?

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The possession order is up today on my property

but I'm back in court next week with the same lender for a possession order on the secured loans.

 

I have very large arrears on the mortgage and secured loans.

 

At the last hearing I had a court mortgage advisor who asked me if I could afford to pay the mortgage and arrears.

 

I could of offered a small amount but not enough to pay what the mortgage lender was looking for.

 

The order was granted.

 

What do people normally put on the N244 form to stop eviction.

 

I'm looking for rental property and have been in touch with my local housing office and had an interview etc with them.

 

I've 6 people in my property

4 of my children

2 have only just secured part time work

1 is at college

and I have a 14year old in full time school.

 

Can an eviction order be granted even though I'm going back to court for the secured loans

and this is a possession order because I've put in a defence as I've a complaint in with the Fsa.

 

I asked for 56 day possession order on the secured loans on hardship grounds as well.

 

I'm looking for property to rent but it's got to be a 4 bedroom which isn't easy and can be very expensive

which even after applying LHA can still be £700.00 upwards a month and my local council don't have many if any come up they are soon gone.

 

My Mortgage was £1.105.00 per month.

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Have a look at my guide here

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?325527-CAG-guide-Are-you-facing-eviction-or-repossession

 

you can see exampled of how to set out a statement for court and complete the N244 form.

 

You can also download the budget sheet we use from the second post in that thread.

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Eviction order handed to my 14 year old Daughter.

 

The Guy asked were her parents in.

 

I went to the door and the guy just said it relates to the house and left.

 

Eviction date is 8th nov.

 

I can't offer any money.

 

I had one possesion order granted for the 1st oct.

 

Then I went back to court for the secured loans and the date on this one was 4th nov.

 

I'm wondering if it's worth going to court to see if it can be postponed or suspended.

 

I'm working with my Council with regards homelessness.

 

I can't afford anything in the private sector and my local council offer a bond scheme but no one will deal with it.

 

I'm going back to the courts on monday to speak to their free advisors on repossession

and see if it's worth asking for an emergency hearing to see if it can be stopped.

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Can you give us some more information please? are you defending the eviction i.e. applied to the court for a hearing to stop it

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No I'm not defending it.

 

I have been back to the court on monday but they are only doing them a week before now.

 

Also the Court where the hearings were give free advice etc to residents of that City and as I live in another Council next door.

 

I had to ring 4 different places to get an answer and the final one was that the arrears were too large to stop it.

 

I have complained to my mortgage lender today by email as the representative wanted to know what my plans were would I still be here on the day etc.

 

I told her I wasn't best pleased with my mortgage lender from the beginning so if I was planning on going before then I'll email them.I

 

have been phoning my local council homeless unit and I know they'll find temp accommodation but it'll cost £250.00 a week

or I'm asking my father if I can stay with him.

 

My Homeless Housing Officer has said in temp would probably only be for a few weeks not months I just rang her.

 

I think I'm ready to go now I've had enough this week,

 

Family disputes have risen as well amongst my older married children,

 

An Uncle has died as well and I feel unwell with a bad chest,

I'm not sleeping and eating and my husband has Mental Health Issues.

 

I've just hired a big skip to empty the house.

 

I've done all I can so I'll close the door and walk away and pickup again somewhere else.

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I have an eviction notice for 8th nov.

 

Today I had a knock on my door and a woman

said she's come about the house and mentioned my mortgage lender.

 

I thought it was field agent but now I'm wondering if it was from the Bailiffs Office.

 

Also I'm thinking will they charge me for it or my mortgage lender.

 

I'm so stressed by it all.

 

Is this right that they do this?

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urm sounds like an advisor...

bet you get a £100 fee on your mortgage account for an advisor visit.

 

dx

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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It won't be an advisor, there's nothing to negotiate - an eviction notice has been issued.

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nine threads merged on the same 2 repo issues

 

please keep to ONE THREAD..this one!!

 

so people advising can see and read the advise that you have previously been given.

 

dx

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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No card no id presented she took me by surprise I'm going to ring the Bailiffs Office shortly.I did think that they'd charge me it came to me last night and if it does then I'll be sending another letter to My Mortgage Lender.That is dreadful of them.

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Yes, and they will keep charging you until the house is sold :(

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bet you got £100 charge for it.

 

dx

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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