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    • the claimant in their WS can refer to whatever previous CC judgements they like, as we do in our WS's, but CC judgements do not set a legal precedence. however, they do often refer to judgements like Bevis, those cases do created a precedence as they were court of appeal rulings. as for if the defendant, prior to the raising of a claim, dobbed themselves in as the driver in writing during any appeal to the PPC, i don't think we've seen one case whereby the claimant referred to such in their WS.. ?? but they certainly typically include said appeal letters in their exhibits. i certainly dont think it's a good idea to 'remind' them of such at the defence stage, even if the defendant did admit such in a written appeal. i would further go as far to say, that could be even more damaging to the whole case than a judge admonishing a defendant for not appealing to the PPC in the 1st place. it sort of blows the defendant out the water before the judge reads anything else. dx  
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I went to my atos medical assessment nearly three weeks ago. i have yet to hear the result but have decided due to all that i have read that the result is pretty much a zero points one, despite the doctor being very friendly and sympathetic, "we all want you to get better" were his passing words. Of course you 'all' do!! Anyway, in anticipation of the failed assessment i want to appeal as quickly as possible so that my esa will be re-instated at the assessment rate, i know to download the GL24, can i send this without my back-up of medical and therapist reports which i will get but don't want to have to wait, can these be sent at a later date?? Should i take the form to the Jobcentre, post it registered? I cannot be without money, i'm on my own really with no savings. I saw my doctor today who gave me a three month sick note, we are both pleased with my progress with medication and therapy but both her and my therapist are adamant that i cannot look for work for for at least six months. I am due a payment of esa on Friday and i am kind of expecting not to get it even though i have had a payment since my 'medical'. My question is what can i do to make sure my payments are re-instated asap should i/when i fail the assessment. i'm feeling very anxious at the thought of no money which is completely counter-productive to my condition when i should be concentrating on getting better.

 

God, this all sucks, when i'm better and i know that i will be, i will never forget the misery that this Government is putting people through. How they all sleep at night i will never know, letter to MP in the pipeline regardless of my situation. It has to stop.

 

Thanks for any advice and replies,

 

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can i send this without my back-up of medical and therapist reports which i will get but don't want to have to wait, can these be sent at a later date??

 

Yes. You have 4 weeks from the date of the letter (the failed medical) to send in the GL24. It then takes several months for it to go to appeal. You can send in information up to 7 days prior to the tribunal.

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Yes. You have 4 weeks from the date of the letter (the failed medical) to send in the GL24. It then takes several months for it to go to appeal. You can send in information up to 7 days prior to the tribunal.

 

many thanks honey bee and Nystagmite. Just to clarify, i intend to send the GL24 as soon as i know that i have failed the assessment, is this enough for my esa to be re-instated? Medical evidence to be sent after that. What do i need to put on GL24? My own opinion as to why i think it is a wrong decision? The form has to be sent asap so that i'm not without money as i understand..

 

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3 month,, lol remeber these lot like 12 week notes, just another thing to watch for in their efforts to stop paying /make you jump through more hoops

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A note written for three calendar months will be entered on the system for three calendar months, not 12 weeks. ESA processors would get stung by Accuracy/Quality Control if they did otherwise.

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thats interesting as my gp gave me a 3 month note which i sent in to dwp and they replied that tyhey will accept the cert on this occasion but only for 12 weeks and gave me the date the new cert was to start from , I conveyed this to my gp and they then made the subsequent certs for 12 weeks duration ,

so im sorry i dont knowe whaich is correct i can only tell you what happened in my case

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I'm really hoping this is the case Antone. Shall i send this sick note registered? Re: my original post, payment due friday, if not there, what's the quickest way to appeal, step by step.. sorry, you must have given this info a hundred times but i get confused with everything etc

 

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thats interesting as my gp gave me a 3 month note which i sent in to dwp and they replied that tyhey will accept the cert on this occasion but only for 12 weeks and gave me the date the new cert was to start from , I conveyed this to my gp and they then made the subsequent certs for 12 weeks duration ,

so im sorry i dont knowe whaich is correct i can only tell you what happened in my case

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I guess the rules could have changed since I worked there, it has been a while. But the only restriction, normally, is that your first cert on the claim can't be for more than 6 months. After that, we'd accept certs as written by the doctor. It did seem more common for GPs to write for 13 weeks rather than 12, right enough, but if the note was for 3 calendar months, that's what we were expected to enter on the system.

 

Of course, the time period is taken from the start date the doctor has written, so it's possible that an overlap meant a 3 CM note only extended the sick note on the system by 12 weeks. It would be a bit boring to go in to how certs are processed, but if anyone really wants the Benefit forum equivalent of a large Horlicks and a lot of sheep counting, I could do it ;-)

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I'm really hoping this is the case Antone. Shall i send this sick note registered? Re: my original post, payment due friday, if not there, what's the quickest way to appeal, step by step.. sorry, you must have given this info a hundred times but i get confused with everything etc

 

goodnight

 

You can't appeal a decision that hasn't been made yet, so don't actually send any appeal until you know for sure that you've failed the medical. The ATOS person doesn't make the decision - that's done by DWP Decision Makers, though they won't normally overrule the medical result. In theory they can do so, in practice this would be very rare.

 

So, if you don't get your payment on Friday (or if it's less than your usual amount) then call the Benefit Centre that processes your claim and ask what's happened. If they tell you you've failed the medical (or if, between now and then, you get a letter telling you this) then you should appeal ASAP.

 

The best way to appeal is to use form GL24, "If you think our decision is wrong". You don't have to use this form - you can simply write a letter - but the form helps to ensure you comply with rules about submitting a "duly made" appeal. You can get this form from a local Jobcentre, by post from your Benefit Centre, and I believe it's also available online. If you write a letter, make sure you use the word "appeal" and make it clear what you are appealing. Whichever you choose, you must sign your appeal.

 

It will help you to obtain a copy of your ESA85 medical report. This will tell you what the ATOS examiner wrote about you, but don't delay making your appeal while you wait for this: you can always submit extra information later. To get your ESA85, ask your Benefit Centre for a copy: you are entitled to this.

 

You must send sick notes to be paid while you appeal. Given what I know about post handling at DWP/JCP offices, I'd say there's not usually much reason to pay the extra for Registered/Recorded post if that's all you're sending. It may be worth sending your appeal itself by Registered post, so there's no doubt that it arrived within the time limit. And certainly see the sticky post by Site Team member Honeybee13, which gives excellent advice to those who are appealing ATOS decisions.

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antone a fit note is still entered for the duration it is signed for, e.g 2 weeks or 2 months.

 

Cool, thanks. I'd have been surprised if it had changed, but you never know...

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