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    • Nice work dx, much what I thought and glad to have it confirmed by the expert. Radio silence remains my game plan, I have been resident in Scotland since birth and although I had moved a couple of years prior to defaulting, all addresses were updated and I am confident all begging letters are coming to my current home address. I appreciate the info that they probably wouldn't get a claim in by Aug anyway - I think I'll hunt out my big box of badness in the next few days just to see if I can find any default notice letters so I can pin down some dates to satisfy my semi-OCD. Much obliged, and unlike some others i will look to update in the future as I certainly intend to send them the SB letter as I like to pull the chains of these types of cretins! Of course i'll be back to confirm the correct procedure if I get any "proper" legal letters other than the usual Overdales toilet paper type of scare tactic.  
    • statute barring in Scotland is 5yrs from last payment/use date or date of default Notice + 14 days, whichever is the later. dont confuse that with the 6yrs debts show on credit files (DN's 6th bday regardless to payment or not). they'd never get a claim raised by august in 99% of cases . as long all these debts were taken out whilst resident in scotland and you have not moved since taking them out but failed to inform the original creditor before the debt sale....... then stay radio silent until sb date is reached. then if you wish send our scottish sb letter. just remember unlike E&W in scotland debts are extinguished, dead , gone , parrot. once SB'd dx  
    • Hi all, Love this site and it's no nonsense advice, have dipped in and out of the consumer forums over the years, mostly to assure myself that what I was doing was the right thing when dealing with various businesses (almost 100% success rate, thanks in part to reading and more reading here.). Anyway, the time is almost approaching where I might need to ask for some specific help and I have a couple of queries that I can't see definitively answered. Due to financial mismanagement and severe anxiety issues I stopped paying all unsecured debt in December 2018 (one slipped to the first week in Jan 2019 when the last payment was made having rechecked my bank statement from that period - all my unsecured debt direct debits were cancelled in early Jan 2019). This has left half a dozen debts;  a couple of credit cards, a bank loan, Shop Direct and some Hitachi Finance stuff having been sold on and passing the rounds through the usual suspects, Lowells, Link, PRA Group, others related to them, and then back to them again. I have somehow successfully managed to maintain radio silence and avoided anything more worrying than their begging letters.  I have blocked their phone calls and texts, bumped all emails to the spambox and had a chuckle at their desperate letters.  I've never had anybody at the door.  I have been at the same address since before I defaulted and all correspondence comes to my current home address.  I have NEVER contacted them or admitted any debt. In anticipation of them perhaps ramping up action at the last minute I've had a look at my credit report on Credit Karma (rec'd from this very place) and I see that the default dates on these range from May 2019 to November 2019. Also in preperation I've been reading, reading and reading lots here as advised. Obviously being in Scotland there are a lot fewer posts relating to these matters and it's always quite annoying when OP's do not follow up with any outcome on their cases - how rude! This has also left me a bit confused of when I am able to finally breathe easy (although cancelling all the direct debits in Jan 2019 was the biggest sigh of relief as I knew it was all going to be unmanageable and, well, default one, default all.). I've been reading that defaults should be filed 3-6 months after the missed payment but one of my larger debts was defaulted on 27th August 2019 when the last payment I made was 10th December 2018, meaning the first missed payment was 10th Jan 2019.   My query for now is - when should I infer that these debts are prescribed?  From when the payment was missed, or taking the default date plus 5 years from the credit report? The three I have with the May date are moot anyway as either way they are gone  - some letters from Lowell offering me 90% off to settle is what got me thinking these must have been near SB status, however I have one big 10k+ with a July date and another 10k+ at the end of August I am feeling a bit anxious again, even though I know there is nothing to worry about with the begging letters.  Reading the various forums I am not sure why the OC's didn't take action against me when I read time and again the surprise that other posters haven't already been taken to court for lesser amounts - I'm also surprised I've avoided any action this long as there are plenty in this forum and sub forum who are whisked off to the court by the beggers minions after only a year or so after defaulting.  There are no CCJ/decrees listed on my credit report and I have not received any such judgements against me.  I still just regularly receive the begging emails to the spambox, the blocked phone calls and the letters from the they. I'm also reading that there is no need in Scotland to send an LBC so what should I be looking out for to know that the time has come to engage with CCA requests etc? I'm afraid in a fit I threw a lot of the paperwork out but I have a box of stuff I'm going to go through which may have the original letters from the OC's. Thanks in advance for any advice.  
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In light of the recent thread posted by BankFodder http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/general/80486-claiming-beyond-6-yrs.html#post712882 I thought it would be useful to start a thread solely for the purpose of recording how far back people have been able to obtain statements from their banks. Please do not post queries here, lets try and keep this just for posting results!!

 

So far we have heard from the following:

 

Barclays do keep 12 years of statements; though I suspect they may start warming up the furnaces soon.

 

 

The Abbey, for instance keep their records back to 1926.

 

I recieved 15 years of Statements from RBS

 

i thought i would say that i believe statements are possible with natwest going back at least to 1995 possibly further but importantly charges information would be obtainable back to 1992 on a full Subject Access Request on the old natwest archive system and that is important.

 

we have come to the cross roads regarding getting the information from over 6 years ago. We both have closed accounts with HSBC who have written as per my post above, to advise they do not keep details over 6 years old.

 

I have had 12 years of statements supplied by Barclays

 

I got statements from 1994 from the Halifax- I had to hassle them a bit- but the person at Customer Relations told me they have a seperate computer system (which he could acces then and there so no difficulty) which holds the records of closed/older accounts.

 

I don't know how far back the system goes- but it must be pre-1994.

 

I applied for ten years worth of statements from Halifax, and received them.

 

A & L stated they didn't have the records.
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In relation to HSBC -

 

Here goes, sent in a SAR since the inception of my account. HSBC are adamant they do not keep data longer than 6 years, I just cant believe this, surely it is lurking on their archive systems.......

 

Sent this off to HSBC

 

Thank you for your e-message reply dated 31-01-07.

 

I am in receipt of copy statements from the period 1 January 2000 to current day however my request was for all data contained from the inception of my account whether this be in the form of statements, fiche or other recording methods. I also require any data that has been archived onto your archival system and will be prepared to foot the cost for this effort if required. I still request copy statements or the

equivalent information as stored for the period of the commencement of my account to December 1999. In short I require all data in whatever format held by HSBC on me prior to 1 January 2000.

 

Should you advise that you do not have such information could you please confirm this by stating HSBC does not have any data relating to account number ********* dated before 1 January 2000 I require exact confirmation of when and how my data was destroyed and confirmation of your company policy on data retention. Should a claim be made in Court I will seek an order from the Court requiring disclosure of your policy document should you fail to disclose it now.

I look forward to your reply.

 

Recieved this back from them....

 

 

 

Our Reference **********

 

Dear Mr [edit]

 

Bank Account No: **************

 

Thank you for your e-message received on 1 February 2007.

 

I apologise for any inconvenience caused.

 

However, as advised in your earlier e-message, I confirm that, as per the Data Protection Act's terms and conditions, we are not allowed to keep customers information on our records for more than six years. Please note that this ruling applies for all banks within UK.

 

As such, please be advised that it is not our intention to destroy any of your records which are more than six years old. However, under the Data Protection Act ruling, we are obliged to action this.

 

Therefore, as advised in your earlier e-message, I regret to inform that we are unable to provide any statement copies which exceeds six years ago.

 

Kindly accept our apology again for any inconvenience caused with regards to this matter.

 

For further clarification and assistance, please contact our Customer Telephone Services at 08457 404 404 (UK), +44 1226 261 010 (International), or visit any local HSBC UK branch, where my colleagues there will be glad to assist you accordingly.

 

Please do not hesitate to contact us, should you have any further queries.

 

 

Kind regards

MV Krishnan

HSBC Internet Banking Support

 

and this posted yesterday (also HSBC)

 

Bong, as far I am aware, they hold statements, on microfiche, for 10+ years, but dont have precise figure. I will look into it.

 

...Anyway, will look into the statements thing (with ex-colleagues) and come back with more certainty.

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Lloyds TSB sent me statements to Dec 2000. Posting SAR tommorow to ask for more! What's the betting they're gone????

Barclays - 2 Accounts - WON

Capital 1 - WON with CI

LTSB - WON

LTSB pre 6 years - N1 for non compliance filed

Barclays pre 6 years - Prelim sent

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Halifax sent me statements back to the account opening in 1994- but I had to ring them, and hassle them before they would do it as they thought we "could only claim back six years" so why would we need any further back.

 

I informed him he was wrong, and he sent ALL of the statements for 2 accounts.

Nationwide-A&L-Halifax 1-Student Loans Company-NatWest-Virgin Media-Link-Capital One ALL WON!

Thames Credit -statute barred sent 13/11/08

BCW- prove debt letter- 14/08/08

Apex- CCA 14/08/08

Redcats UK- SAR 14/04/09

Call Serve- CCA 14/08/08

Littlewoods- no CCA letter 03/09/08- Lowells now

Wescot- CCA 19/9/08

Capital One/Debitas- now with Lowells

 

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Halifax sent me statements back to the account opening in 1994- but I had to ring them, and hassle them before they would do it as they thought we "could only claim back six years" so why would we need any further back.

 

I informed him he was wrong, and he sent ALL of the statements for 2 accounts.

 

Good work Bong!

 

That's crazy the guy said that Emma - they HAVE to send you EVERYTHING they hold once they ahve received a sar - for as far back as they have it, not just 6 years because they thought u could nly claim back that far.

 

Did u get that in writing? I would refer it on to the ICO!

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I wish I could get anything reasonable out of the Halifax in writing- you should see their defence! :D

Nationwide-A&L-Halifax 1-Student Loans Company-NatWest-Virgin Media-Link-Capital One ALL WON!

Thames Credit -statute barred sent 13/11/08

BCW- prove debt letter- 14/08/08

Apex- CCA 14/08/08

Redcats UK- SAR 14/04/09

Call Serve- CCA 14/08/08

Littlewoods- no CCA letter 03/09/08- Lowells now

Wescot- CCA 19/9/08

Capital One/Debitas- now with Lowells

 

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For clairifcation the SAR from the template library asks the bank for all your charges and transactional details for the whiole account history but this would not automatically mean every bit of information they hold on you.

 

The DPA allows for subjects to ask for specific information rather than requesting everyhting.

 

If you want everything not just details of transactions and charges then you should considere revising the SAR from the template library to gfit your needs.

 

HTH

 

Glenn

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Where were you? Next time please

 

 

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two members have sent me letters from barclays stating they hold 12 years worth of data.

 

HTH

 

Glenn

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Kick the shAbbey Habit

 

Where were you? Next time please

 

 

Abbey 1st claim -Charges repaid, default removed, interest paid (8% apr) costs paid, Abbey peed off; priceless

Abbey 2nd claim, two Accs - claim issued 30-03-07

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GE Capital (1st National) Settled

Lombard Bank - SAR sent 16.02.07

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Glenn Vs MBNA

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Just a summary of what we have in this thread so far -

 

 

Abbey - 1926 -80 odd years!

 

A&L -

 

Barclays - 12 years

 

Barclaycard -

 

Co-op -

 

Co-op credit card (per Glenn's thread) - 1997 - 10 years

 

Halifax - 1991 - 16 years

 

HSBC -

 

Lloyds TSB -

 

NatWest - 1992 - 15 years

 

Nationwide -

 

RBS - 15 years

 

Yorkshire - 7 years (possibly 10)

 

 

 

 

still a few gaps to fill!

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Nearly forgot HSBC showed me a copy of my original agreement on their computer screen recently, the account was closed around ten years ago!

 

I haven't had a response to my SAR as of yet so we'll see what they say.

 

Glenn

Kick the shAbbey Habit

 

Where were you? Next time please

 

 

Abbey 1st claim -Charges repaid, default removed, interest paid (8% apr) costs paid, Abbey peed off; priceless

Abbey 2nd claim, two Accs - claim issued 30-03-07

Barclaycard - Settled cheque received

Egg 2 accounts ID sent 29/07

Co-op Claim issued 30-03-07

GE Capital (Store Cards) ICO says theyve been naughty

MBNA - Settled in Full

GE Capital (1st National) Settled

Lombard Bank - SAR sent 16.02.07

MBNA are not your friends, they will settle but you need to make sure its on your terms -read here

Glenn Vs MBNA

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I hold one of these letters, this is open to all users should they require it.

 

I too have a letter which states:

 

"Unfortunately we have been unable to provide you with all of the copy statements requested. This is because we only have a requirement to hold backdated account ledger information for a period of 12 years"

However Barclaycard have said the have destroyed my statements from 2000 and previous to this. What can I do about this as have conflicting info from in effect the same people???

 

Any thoughts Livelylad??

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tanz, Barclays and Barclaycard are separate entities - I read it in a letter from the information commissioner.

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