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    • no i meant the email from parcel2go which email address did they send it from and who signed it off (whos name is at the bottom)
    • I understand confusion with this thread.  I tried to keep threads separate because there have been so many angles.    But a team member merged them all.  This is why it's hard to keep track. This forum exists to help little people fight injustice - however big or small.  Im here to try get a decent resolution. Not to give in to the ' big boys'. My "matter' became complicated 'matters' simply because a lender refused to sell a property. What can I say?  I'll try in a nutshell to give an overview: There's a long lease property. I originally bought it short lease with a s.146 on it from original freeholder.  I had no concerns. So lender should have been able to sell a well-maintained lovely long lease property.  The property was great. The issue is not the property.  Economy, sdlt increases, elections, brexit, covid, interest hikes etc didn't help.  The issue is simple - the lender wanted to keep it.    Before repo I offered to clear my loan.  I was a bit short and lender refused.  They said (recorded) they thought the property was worth much more and they were happy to keep accruing interest (in their benefit) until it reached a point where they felt they could repo and still easily quickly sell to get their £s back.  This was a mistake.  The market was (and is) tough.   2y later the lender ceo bid the same sum to buy the property for himself. He'd rejected higher offers in the intervening period whilst accruing interest. I had the property under offer to a fantastic niche buyer but lender rushed to repo and buyer got spooked and walked.  It had taken a long time to find such a lucrative buyer.  A sale which would have resulted in £s and another asset for me. Post repo lender had 1 offer immediately.  But dragged out the process for >1y - allegedly trying to get other offers. But disclosure shows there was only one valid buyer. Lender appointed receiver (after 4 months) - simply to try acquire the freehold.  He used his powers as receiver to use me, as leaseholder, to serve notice on freeholders.  Legally that failed. Meanwhile lender failed to secure property - and squatters got in (3 times).  And they failed to maintain it.  So freeholders served a dilapidations notice (external) - on me as leaseholder (cc-ed to lender).   (That's how it works legally) I don't own the freehold.  But I am a trustee and have to do right by the freeholders.  This is where matters got/ get complicated.  And probably lose most caggers.   Lawyers got involved for the freeholders to firstly void the receiver enfranchisement notice. Secondly, to serve the dilapidations notice.  The lack of maintenance was in breach of lease and had to be served to protect fh asset. The lender did no repairs. They said a buyer would undertake them. Which was probably correct. If they had sold. After 1y lender finally agreed to sell to the 1st offeror and contracts went with lawyers.  Within 1 month lender reneged.  Lender tried to suggest buyer walked. Evidence shows he/ his lawyers continued trying to exchange (cash) for 4 months.  Evidence shows lender and receiver strategy had been to renege and for ceo to take control.   I still think that's their plan. Lender then stupidly chose to pretty much bulldoze the property.  Other stuff was going on in the background. After repo I was in touch by phone and email and lender knew post got to me.   Despite this, after about 10 months (before and then during covid), they deliberately sent SDs and eventually a B petition to an incorrect address and an obscure small court.  They never served me properly.  (In hindsight I understand they hoped to get a backdoor B - so they could keep the property that way.)  Eventually the random court told them to email me by way of service.  At this point their ruse to make me B failed.  I got a lawyer (friend paid). The B petition was struck out. They’d failed to include the property as an asset. They were in breach of insolvency rules. Simultaneously the receiver again appointed lawyers to act on my behalf as leaseholder. This time to serve notice on the freeholders for a lease extension.  He had hoped to try and vary the strict lease. Evidence shows the already long length of lease wasn't an issue.  The lender obviously hoped to get round their lack of permission to do works (which they were already doing) by hoping to remove the strict clauses that prevent leaseholder doing alterations.   The extension created a new legal angle for me to deal with.  I had to act as trustee for freeholders against me as leaseholder/ the receiver.  Inconsistencies and incompetence by receiver lawyers dragged this out 3y.  It still isn't properly resolved.  Meanwhile - going back to the the works the lender undertook. The works were consciously in breach of lease.  The lender hadn't remedied the breaches listed in the dilapidations notice.  They destroyed the property.  The trustees compiled all evidence.  The freeholders lawyers then served a forfeiture notice. This notice started a different legal battle. I was acting for the freeholders against what the lender had done on my behalf as leaseholder.  This legal battle took 3y to resolve. The simple exit would have been for lender to sell. A simple agreement to remedy the breaches and recompense the freeholders in compensation - and there's have been clean title to sell.  That option was proposed to them.   This happened by way of mediation for all parties 2y ago.  A resolution option was put forward and in principle agreed.  But immediately after the lender lawyers failed to engage.  A hard lesson to learn - mediation cannot be referred to in court. It's considered w/o prejudice. The steps they took have made no difference to their ability to sell the property.  Almost 3y since they finished works they still haven't sold. ** ** I followed up some leads myself.  A qualified cash buyer offered me a substantial sum.  The lender and receiver both refused it.   I found another offer in disclosure.  6 months later someone had apparently offered a substantial sum via an agent.  The receiver again rejected it.  The problem of course was that the agent had inflated the market price to get the business. But no-one was or is ever going to offer their list price.  Yet the receiver wanted/wants to hold out for the list price.  Which means 1y later not only has it not sold - disclosure shows few viewings and zero interest.  It's transparently over-priced.  And tarnished. For those asking why I don't give up - I couldn't/ can't.  Firstly I have fiduciary duties as a trustee. Secondly, legal advice indicates I (as leaseholder) could succeed with a large compensation claim v the lender.  Also - I started a claim v my old lawyer and the firm immediately reimbursed some £s. That was encouraging.  And a sign to continue.  So I'm going for compensation.  I had finance in place (via friend) to do a deal and take the property back off the lender - and that lawyer messed up bad.   He should have done a deal.  Instead further years have been wasted.   Maybe I only get back my lost savings - but that will be a result.   If I can add some kind of complaint/ claim v the receiver's conscious impropriety I will do so.   I have been left with nothing - so fighting for something is worth it. The lender wants to talk re a form of settlement.  Similar to my proposal 2y ago.  I have a pretty clear idea of what that means to me.  This is exactly why I do not give up.  And why I continue to ask for snippets of advice/ pointers on cag.  
    • It was all my own work based on my previous emails to P2G which Bank has seen.
    • I was referring to #415 where you wrote "I was forced to try to sell - and couldn't." . And nearer the start in #79 .. "I couldn't sell.  I had an incredibly valuable asset. Huge equity.  But the interest accrued / the property market suffered and I couldn't find a buyer even at a level just to clear the debt." In #194 you said you'd tried to sell for four years.  The reason for these points is that a lot of the claims against for example your surveyor, solicitor, broker, the lender and now the receiver are mainly founded in a belief that they should have been able to do something but did not. Things that might seem self evident to you but not necessarily to others. Pressing these claims may well need a bit more hard evidence, rather than an appeal to common sense. Can you show evidence of similar properties, with similar freehold issues, selling readily? And solid reasons why the lender should have been able to sell when you couldn't.
    • You can use a family's address.   The only caveat is for the final hearing you'd need to be there in person   HOWEVER i'd expect them to pay if its only £200 because costs of attending will be higher than that
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Hi folks, I wonder if you could help me with this. I received the Northampton county court claim form yesterday. Its Arrow Global using Drydens as solicitors. I havent had any communication with them at all and think that my last payment on this loan was at longest - July 2005 but definitely not any later than September 2005. So it looks like very soon it may be statute barred.

 

Could you help me with what to do next - I assume I reply to the court asking for the full 28days and then request the info from the claimant, hoping that they either have none, or it drags out past the statute.

 

Should I ask that its transferred to my local county court?

 

Could somebody take me through it step by step and point me towards the appropriate templates please?

 

Many thanks,

 

AngryApe

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Thank you DonkeyB. The particulars read... The claimants claim is for the sum ____________ being monies due from the defendant to the claimant under a regulated agreement between the defendant and FV-1 inc

(No ______________________) and assigned t the claimant on ____________, notice of which has been provided to the defendant.

 

The defendant has failed to make payment in accordance with the terms of the agreement and a default notice has been served pursuant to the consumer credit act 1974

 

And the claimant claims the sum of __________________

 

I left any amounts out in case of DCAs reading the forum.

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Im not sure who FV1 are - I imagine they are a DCA who bought a debt off a bank i used to use. I have been moving about a bit so wouldnt have all the information. I have had various letters from various companys saying I owe different amounts but have ignored everything up till now. I have only taken notice as its a court claim. Would a default notice be from the court or a DCA?

 

It was assigned last November according to the POC - I dont have copies of anything to do with it im afraid.

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Thank you so much for your help today DonkeyB, I have read the links you posted and feel a bit more informed. I have acknowledged the court online and have amended and will be posting by recorded delivery, the CPR request in a moment. In their POC they refer to a regulated agreement between myself and FV-1, as they are a DCA surely no agreement would exist between us if I have had no contact with them ever?

 

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AngryApe.

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Spot on. The agreement would have been with a bank, if it in fact existed. Do you know what the supposed original debt was for? Credit card? Loan? They say regulated, so it would probably not be a bank account.

 

The PoC is all you can respond to – if there was no agreement with FV-1, then that is a defence. But a long way to go yet.

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Thanks DonkeyB, I think it was for a loan with the bank - I am assuming that as the debt has changed hands more than once, there is a greater chance that the original agreement may have been misplaced.

 

As I have now responded to the court and sent the CPR request, does that mean I should forget about it almost being stature barred?

 

Many thanks,

 

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Hello again folks - could I use your knowledge again? I sent the CPR 31.14 request by recorded delivery Friday before last and have not received any post from the claimant since. Could I ask what my next move will be regarding 1. The claimant, 2. the court?

 

Thanks in anticipation,

 

AngryApe.

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1. Re claimant. Send an urgent reminder by recorded post, stating that failure to comply with your valid CPR request will leave you no alternative but to ask the court to strike out the claim (unlikely, but make the threat anyway). Did you ask specifically for the NoA and the enforceable credit agreement in your CPR request?

 

2. If you acknowledged on line, you have a further 14 days to enter a defence. What date do you have to have your defence in by?

 

Did you ever receive an NoA from them in the first place? Did you receive a letter before action?

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Thanks for your reply DonkeyB, what is an NoA? I used the template form used a lot on this forum - what I asked in the letter was...

 

Please treat this letter as my request made under CPR 31.14 for the disclosure and the production of a verified and legible copy of the documents mentioned in your Particulars of Claim:

 

1 the agreement. You will appreciate that in an ordinary case and by reason of the provisions of CPR PD 16 para 7.3, where a claim is based upon a written agreement, a copy of the contract or documents constituting the agreement should be attached to or served with the particulars of claim and the original(s) should be available at the hearing. Further, that any general conditions incorporated in the contract should also be attached.

 

2 the assignment

3 the default notice

4 the termination notice

5 any other documents you intend to rely on in court

Is there anything else I should have asked for?

I acknowledged 10th June 2011 on the online system.

I had received many letters threatening court action but was advised on the DCA forum on here to ignore them.

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NoA = notice of assignment, as mentioned in your CPR request and their claim!

 

It’s important that you understand what you’re asking for. That’s why I posted the links to the explanatory threads.

 

Simply repeating templates without adapting them to your personal situation is dangerous, but you have been lucky in this instance.

 

Send the reminder, recorded, enclosing a copy of the original letter. Demand a response by return, or a statement to the effect that they do not have the documents in their possession.

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Sorry DonkeyB I did read your links but couldnt remember all of the terminology a week later. I shall put the letter together as you suggested and send it today via recorded delivery.

 

Many thanks for your time,

 

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Hi again. It is now the 23rd and I still have not received any post from the claimant after sending an urgent reminder and the original CPR 31.14 by recorded delivery. Could you please advise what my next move would be? Should I contact the court and inform them they have failed to pass details of the POC or do I launch my defence stating they have failed to contact me?

 

Many thanks,

 

AngryApe

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There’s nothing much else you can do except enter a defence based on having little or no understanding of the claim as it is so vague, with a request that the claim be struck out due to non-compliance with CPR. Alternatively, you can spend £40/£75 to apply to have the case struck out because the PoC is utter bow-larks.

 

When does your defence have to be in by? What was the date on the claim form? Add 32 days to the issue date.

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Thanks again DonkeyB for your continued help.

 

Issue date: 06/06/11

 

So I believe the last possible date for defence is 4pm 11/07/11 (according the the court helpdesk line).

 

Is there any special way of wording my defence - court "prose" or anything?

 

Many thanks,

 

AngryApe

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Let’s wait a little while to see if there is any response to CPR. Jon’s advice is spot on, but you could ask for a similar order at the AQ stage without any cost – however, the judge may not grant your order, and that’s a bit of a lottery.

 

Why not phone Drydens and ask where the CPR is? Record the call if you can, but do not enter into any conversation about the alleged debt or the case itself. Any such contact can be difficult to make, but it should not frighten you, and you are showing to the court you are trying to resolve the issue.

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