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    • Thank-you dx, What you have written is certainly helpful to my understanding. The only thing I would say, what I found to be most worrying and led me to start this discussion is, I believe the judge did not merely admonish the defendant in the case in question, but used that point to dismiss the case in the claimants favour. To me, and I don't have your experience or knowledge, that is somewhat troubling. Again, the caveat being that we don't know exactly what went on but I think we can infer the reason for the judgement. Thank-you for your feedback. EDIT: I guess that the case I refer to is only one case and it may never happen again and the strategy not to appeal is still the best strategy even in this event, but I really did find the outcome of that case, not only extremely annoying but also worrying.
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    • the claimant in their WS can refer to whatever previous CC judgements they like, as we do in our WS's, but CC judgements do not set a legal precedence. however, they do often refer to judgements like Bevis, those cases do created a precedence as they were court of appeal rulings. as for if the defendant, prior to the raising of a claim, dobbed themselves in as the driver in writing during any appeal to the PPC, i don't think we've seen one case whereby the claimant referred to such in their WS.. ?? but they certainly typically include said appeal letters in their exhibits. i certainly dont think it's a good idea to 'remind' them of such at the defence stage, even if the defendant did admit such in a written appeal. i would further go as far to say, that could be even more damaging to the whole case than a judge admonishing a defendant for not appealing to the PPC in the 1st place. it sort of blows the defendant out the water before the judge reads anything else. dx  
    • Hi LFI, Your knowledge in this area is greater than I could possibly hope to have and as such I appreciate your feedback. I'm not sure that I agree the reason why a barrister would say that, only to get new customers, I'm sure he must have had professional experience in this area that qualifies him to make that point. 🙂 In your point 1 you mention: 1] there is a real danger that some part of the appeal will point out that the person appealing [the keeper ] is also the driver. I understand the point you are making but I was referring to when the keeper is also the driver and admits it later and only in this circumstance, but I understand what you are saying. I take on board the issues you raise in point 2. Is it possible that a PPC (claimant) could refer back to the case above as proof that the motorist should have appealed, like they refer back to other cases? Thanks once again for the feedback.
    • Well barristers would say that in the hope that motorists would go to them for advice -obviously paid advice.  The problem with appealing is at least twofold. 1] there is a real danger that some part of the appeal will point out that the person appealing [the keeper ] is also the driver.  And in a lot of cases the last thing the keeper wants when they are also the driver is that the parking company knows that. It makes it so much easier for them as the majority  of Judges do not accept that the keeper and the driver are the same person for obvious reasons. Often they are not the same person especially when it is a family car where the husband, wife and children are all insured to drive the same car. On top of that  just about every person who has a valid insurance policy is able to drive another person's vehicle. So there are many possibilities and it should be up to the parking company to prove it to some extent.  Most parking company's do not accept appeals under virtually any circumstances. But insist that you carry on and appeal to their so called impartial jury who are often anything but impartial. By turning down that second appeal, many motorists pay up because they don't know enough about PoFA to argue with those decisions which brings us to the second problem. 2] the major parking companies are mostly unscrupulous, lying cheating scrotes. So when you appeal and your reasons look as if they would have merit in Court, they then go about  concocting a Witness Statement to debunk that challenge. We feel that by leaving what we think are the strongest arguments to our Member's Witness Statements, it leaves insufficient time to be thwarted with their lies etc. And when the motorists defence is good enough to win, it should win regardless of when it is first produced.   
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The subject of Bank Holiday working and the question of whether an employee is entitled to time off work on a Bank Holiday occurs frequently

Bank Holidays have no special status in employment law. There is no automatic right to a paid day off work, and whether you benefit or not will depend on your contract of employment rather than any legal right. An employer is only legally obliged to give an employee the minimum statutory paid holiday entitlement each year. Currently this amounts to 5.6 weeks holiday (or 28 days in the case of an employee working five days a week), and importantly this can include Bank Holidays. A contract of employment can give you more than this entitlement, but not less.

 

As to whether you are required to work on Bank Holidays will depend on your contract. You may, for example have a contract which specifies that you are not required to work on normal Bank Holidays (of which there are eight), and if this is the case then it is perfectly in order for the employer to not recognise an 'extra' Bank Holiday as a day off for staff, particularly where the business will operate as normal on that day. If however your contract is less specific and does not require you to work on Bank Holidays (ie without specifying whether these are the 'normal' Bank Holidays or 'special' ones), then you might reasonably expect not to have to work on that day. Sadly if you do have to work, then the employer is not obliged to pay you more money, or give you time off in lieu, unless again, there is a clause in the contract which specifies enhanced pay or compensatory time off for working on a Bank Holiday.

 

It is also worth remembering that a contract need not necessarily be in writing, as depending what is 'the norm' for the organisation, an entitlement can be built up through Custom and Practice, or by what entitlements are given to other staff in the organisation.

 

The starting point in answering the inevitable 'can they do this' question will always be the terms in the contract, or what is customary for the business in the absence of a specific clause. A good employer will discuss the matter with the workforce so that everybody knows what is happening, and who is affected.

 

The following sites have some useful information relating to Bank Holidays:-

 

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Governmentcitizensandrights/LivingintheUK/DG_073741

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Employment/Employees/Timeoffandholidays/DG_10029788

http://www.adviceguide.org.uk/index/life/employment/faq_index_employment/faq_employment_entitlement_to_bank_holidays.htm

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Nice stuff SW.

 

ACAS has (or indeed had as right this minute it doesn't see to be working!) some specific guidance on this 'extra royal bank holiday' this year.

 

http://www.acas.org.uk/index.aspx?articleid=3197

 

From what I recall when I read it, I for a nice change, agreed with ACAS and they basically made the point you make above;

 

i.e. it is basically a contractual matter, as the underlying legal right, the WTR will not be amended, and will still say 28 days for qualifying worker in one complete holiday year.

 

I see the argument as being the following - (in theroy);

 

a) What is the contractual definition of a BH for the purposes of MY contract of employment (written or otherwise), then,

 

b) Does the Government 'declaration' of the extra day (unsure how this has been made is this via delegated legislation or merely a Governmental 'aspiration'??); more likely the later me thinks; mean that such 'extra day' falls within the definition of a BH in your contract.

 

e.g. if your HR dep't were lazy and contract just said, "20 days per year + each BH' then I can see the argument that it should be given if it is within the contractual definition of a, 'BH' - especially when contra proferentum is applied. But;

 

c) assuming the above applies and boss says NO. Are you willing to push for this in the current economic climate?

 

d) even if you got it the next argument would be to look at what the exact wording of the contract is as regards payment of this 'special' BH holiday; as, again, this will be a BH outside the WTR - could it be even unpaid ???? an open question not a statement.

 

Surely in reality most ER's will be sensible? To avoid problems and bad publicity from Royalist media outlets they will give the day.

 

Be interesting to see if a substantial number of ET claims are made as a result?

 

Watch this space I suppose.

 

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i have signed a contract at work which entitles me to have 20 days paid holiday and bank holidays....it doesnt state eight bank holidays now this week my boss has said we have to work with no extra incentive ie day in leiu or extra cash is this right?myself and eight others are in the same boat!

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In that case your employer should have taken action to notify a variation of contract when the extra Bank Holiday was announced.

 

How far are you prepared to upset your boss? You need to raise a grievance and point out that your contract would seem to indicate that next Friday should be a paid day off and asking for an assurance that in the absence of compensatory pay that you will receive an additional day's leave at a later date.

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my employer has stated i do not have 'enough' hours to have bank holiday entitlement, despite my contract stating i have 8 paid hols, i work 39 hour week and have been told my hours are part time, some day shift, some night shift? but it is all complusary, i.e no option, so why cant i take my bank holidays, xmas day, boxing day and new years day (rota system so take in lieu)??

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queens diamond jubilee holiday-- my company added a days annual leave to everybody, great except that around half the workforce work shifts so really cant have a day added. can they give out extra holiday to office staff and hourly paid workers but not give the salaried/shiftworkers anything?

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