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    • Well barristers would say that in the hope that motorists would go to them for advice -obviously paid advice.  The problem with appealing is at least twofold. 1] there is a real danger that some part of the appeal will point out that the person appealing [the keeper ] is also the driver.  And in a lot of cases the last thing the keeper wants when they are also the driver is that the parking company knows that. It makes it so much easier for them as the majority  of Judges do not accept that the keeper and the driver are the same person for obvious reasons. Often they are not the same person especially when it is a family car where the husband, wife and children are all insured to drive the same car. On top of that  just about every person who has a valid insurance policy is able to drive another person's vehicle. So there are many possibilities and it should be up to the parking company to prove it to some extent.  Most parking company's do not accept appeals under virtually any circumstances. But insist that you carry on and appeal to their so called impartial jury who are often anything but impartial. By turning down that second appeal, many motorists pay up because they don't know enough about PoFA to argue with those decisions which brings us to the second problem. 2] the major parking companies are mostly unscrupulous, lying cheating scrotes. So when you appeal and your reasons look as if they would have merit in Court, they then go about  concocting a Witness Statement to debunk that challenge. We feel that by leaving what we think are the strongest arguments to our Member's Witness Statements, it leaves insufficient time to be thwarted with their lies etc. And when the motorists defence is good enough to win, it should win regardless of when it is first produced.   
    • S13 (2)The creditor may not exercise the right under paragraph 4 to recover from the keeper any unpaid parking charges specified in the notice to keeper if, within the period of 28 days beginning with the day after that on which that notice was given, the creditor is given— (a)a statement signed by or on behalf of the vehicle-hire firm to the effect that at the material time the vehicle was hired to a named person under a hire agreement; (b)a copy of the hire agreement; and (c)a copy of a statement of liability signed by the hirer under that hire agreement. As  Arval has complied with the above they cannot be pursued by EC----- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- S14 [1]   the creditor may recover those charges (so far as they remain unpaid) from the hirer. (2)The conditions are that— (a)the creditor has within the relevant period given the hirer a notice in accordance with sub-paragraph (5) (a “notice to hirer”), together with a copy of the documents mentioned in paragraph 13(2) and the notice to keeper; (b)a period of 21 days beginning with the day on which the notice to hirer was given has elapsed;  As ECP did not send copies of the documents to your company and they have given 28 days instead of 21 days they have failed to comply with  the Act so you and your Company are absolved from paying. That is not to say that they won't continue asking to be paid as they do not have the faintest idea how PoFA works. 
    • Euro have got a lot wrong and have failed to comply with the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 Schedule 4.  According to Section 13 after ECP have written to Arval they should then send a NTH to the Hirer  which they have done.This eliminates Arval from any further pursuit by ECP. When they wrote to your company they should have sent copies of everything that they asked Arval for. This is to prove that your company agree what happened on the day of the breach. If ECP then comply with the Act they are allowed to pursue the hirer. If they fail, to comply they cannot make the hirer pay. They can pursue until they are blue in the face but the Hirer is not lawfully required to pay them and if it went to Court ECP would lose. Your company could say who was driving but the only person that can be pursued is the Hirer, there does not appear to be an extension for a driver to be pursued. Even if there was, because ECP have failed miserably to comply with the Act  they still have no chance of winning in Court. Here are the relevant Hire sections from the Act below.
    • Thank-you FTMDave for your feedback. May I take this opportunity to say that after reading numerous threads to which you are a contributor, I have great admiration for you. You really do go above and beyond in your efforts to help other people. The time you put in to help, in particular with witness statements is incredible. I am also impressed by the way in which you will defer to others with more experience should there be a particular point that you are not 100% clear on and return with answers or advice that you have sought. I wish I had the ability to help others as you do. There is another forum expert that I must also thank for his time and patience answering my questions and allowing me to come to a “penny drops” moment on one particular issue. I believe he has helped me immensely to understand and to strengthen my own case. I shall not mention who it is here at the moment just in case he would rather I didn't but I greatly appreciate the time he took working through that issue with me. I spent 20+ years of working in an industry that rules and regulations had to be strictly adhered to, indeed, exams had to be taken in order that one had to become qualified in those rules and regulations in order to carry out the duties of the post. In a way, such things as PoFA 2012 are rules and regulations that are not completely alien to me. It has been very enjoyable for me to learn these regulations and the law surrounding them. I wish I had found this forum years ago. I admit that perhaps I had been too keen to express my opinions given that I am still in the learning process. After a suitable period in this industry I became Qualified to teach the rules and regulations and I always said to those I taught that there is no such thing as a stupid question. If opinions, theories and observations are put forward, discussion can take place and as long as the result is that the student is able to clearly see where they went wrong and got to that moment where the penny drops then that is a valuable learning experience. No matter how experienced one is, there is always something to learn and if I did not know the answer to a question, I would say, I don't know the answer to that question but I will go and find out what the answer is. In any posts I have made, I have stated, “unless I am wrong” or “as far as I can see” awaiting a response telling me what I got wrong, if it was wrong. If I am wrong I am only too happy to admit it and take it as a valuable learning experience. I take the point that perhaps I should not post on other peoples threads and I shall refrain from doing so going forward. 🤐 As alluded to, circumstances can change, FTMDave made the following point that it had been boasted that no Caggers, over two years, who had sent a PPC the wrong registration snotty letter, had even been taken to court, let alone lost a court hearing .... but now they have. I too used the word "seemed" because it is true, we haven't had all the details. After perusing this forum I believe certain advice changed here after the Beavis case, I could be wrong but that is what I seem to remember reading. Could it be that after winning the above case in question, a claimant could refer back to this case and claim that a defendant had not made use of the appeal process, therefore allowing the claimant to win? Again, in this instance only, I do not know what is to be gained by not making an appeal or concealing the identity of the driver, especially if it is later admitted that the defendant was the driver and was the one to input the incorrect VRN in error. So far no one has educated me as to the reason why. But, of course, when making an appeal, it should be worded carefully so that an error in the appeal process cannot be referred back to. I thought long and hard about whether or not to post here but I wanted to bring up this point for discussion. Yes, I admit I have limited knowledge, but does that mean I should have kept silent? After I posted that I moved away from this forum slightly to find other avenues to increase my knowledge. I bought a law book and am now following certain lawyers on Youtube in the hope of arming myself with enough ammunition to use in my own case. In one video titled “7 Reasons You Will LOSE Your Court Case (and how to avoid them)” by Black Belt Barrister I believe he makes my point by saying the following, and I quote: “If you ignore the complaint in the first instance and it does eventually end up in court then it's going to look bad that you didn't co-operate in the first place. The court is not going to look kindly on you simply ignoring the company and not, let's say, availing yourself of any kind of appeal opportunities, particularly if we are talking about parking charge notices and things like that.” This point makes me think that, it is not such a bizarre judgement in the end. Only in the case of having proof of payment and inputting an incorrect VRN .... could it be worthwhile making a carefully worded appeal in the first instance? .... If the appeal fails, depending on the reason, surely this could only help if it went to court? As always, any feedback gratefully received.
    • To which official body does one make a formal complaint about a LPA fixed charge receiver? Does one make a complaint first to the company employing the appointed individuals?    Or can one complain immediately to an official body, such as nara?    I've tried researching but there doesn't seem a very clear route on how to legally hold them to account for wrongful behaviour.  It seems frustratingly complicated because they are considered to be officers of the court and held in high esteem - and the borrower is deemed liable for their actions.  Yet what does the borrower do when disclosure shows clear evidence of wrong-doing? Does anyone have any pointers please?
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Advice required please,

 

What are my rights should my LL decide to sell his property to someone else?

 

Any direction please?

 

thankyou

 

SD

 

Hi SD

 

My landlord has been trying to sell where i live now for 3 years now even longer if they had told me the truth in the 1st place ,but thats another story :wink:

 

You should seek legal advice ASAP on what your legal rights are

 

A solicitor,CAB Citizens Advice - the charity for your community or if your on a low income or benefits Community Legal Advice - free legal advice for residents of England and Wales, paid for by legal aid

 

Just out of intrest how long have you lived there and where does your landlord live ?

 

Rights in what way? If you are on a shorthold tenancy, that continues. The buyer buys the property with a sitting tenant. Of course, the seller may have forgot to tell them that, but that doesn't change anything.

 

Too true in my case.

 

Fortunately for me,unfortunately for my landlord,my tenancy is regulated tenancy/sitting tenant moved in before 15/01/1989 and my rent is registered under 1977 rent act :wink:

 

What my LL has told estate agents and people viewing the property,im the tennant from hell,only lived there 6 years and the estate agents giving duff information to my LL and people viewing the property Beggers belief..

 

I could right a book on it all,but now estate agents and people viewing now know the truth about my tenancy..

 

MARTIN

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I personally don't see any reason that the OP will need to seek further legal advise. Your AST will transfer to the new landlord on the same terms regardless. You have the same rights, if your on a fixed term the new landlord cannot evict you until after that fixed term and will still need to provide 2 months notice.

 

If the new ll does want to move in to the property it might be something you should expect, and would suggest talking to them about it. Though at this stage there is nothing to worry about, everything carries on as normal.

 

Do remember your rights of quiet enjoyment are still standing, so should the ll or someone else want to show perspective buyers around they will of course need to seek your permission first. They can't just barge in.

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I personally don't see any reason that the OP will need to seek further legal advise. Your AST will transfer to the new landlord on the same terms regardless. You have the same rights, if your on a fixed term the new landlord cannot evict you until after that fixed term and will still need to provide 2 months notice.

 

If the new ll does want to move in to the property it might be something you should expect, and would suggest talking to them about it. Though at this stage there is nothing to worry about, everything carries on as normal.

 

Do remember your rights of quiet enjoyment are still standing, so should the ll or someone else want to show perspective buyers around they will of course need to seek your permission first. They can't just barge in.

 

Better to be safe than sorry and seek legal advice away :wink:

 

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Better to be safe than sorry and seek legal advice away :wink:

 

MARTIN :D

 

True, :), also post the dates here that you first moved in (or, if appropriate, the dates that family preceding you and / or significant other took over tenancy and / or there was any change in circumstances arising) and CAG and others can then comment further.

 

Good luck and catch up later.

 

[EDIT: Sorry, should have made my post a little clearer. Recall that regulated tenants have right of first refusal at time of sale (Landlord & Tenant Act, similar to leaseholders). Will see if can find a link and post it here.

 

Reason for asking after dates when you/family moved in and so on is to double check o any succession rights for regulated tenants too.

 

The former point (rights of first refusal) may have some bearing on your original post, the latter (regulated tenancies, generally, with succession to an AT or AST), has less bearing, perhaps.

 

Hope that clears matters up a bit!]

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As for me, happy to help out. I am not a Landlord, but I have been in the past. I am not an Agent, but I have been in the past. I am, therefore, a has been, so always seek independent and suitably qualified advice elsewhere before relying upon whatever has been posted here :-)

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Sorry, should have made my post a little clearer.

 

Recall that regulated tenants have right of first refusal at time of sale (Landlord & Tenant Act, similar to leaseholders). Will see if can find a link and post it here.

(Closest link can find at present is

 

The Right of First Refusal: Ashworths Solicitors

 

"Are you a qualifying tenant?

 

You will be a qualifying tenant if you are a long leaseholder or a regulated tenant, if you hold your lease directly from the person wishing to sell their interest."

and, for landlords,

 

"Failure to comply with your statutory obligations constitute a criminal offence punishable by a fine of up to £5,000.00.")

 

I have no connection with Ashworths, whose link that is, it's just that was the first link I could find!

 

Reason for asking after dates when you/family moved in and so on is to double check if there are any succession rights queries for you if you or a family member are or were regulated tenants too.

 

The former point (right of first refusal) may have some considerable bearing on stalin's dead and 45002's original posts, would be interested to know what the up to date legal advice is on this.

 

The latter point (the more general point over succession to an Assured Tenancy or Assured Shorthold Tenancy), has less bearing, perhaps, but helps puts matters in context.

 

Hope that clears matters up a bit!

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As for me, happy to help out. I am not a Landlord, but I have been in the past. I am not an Agent, but I have been in the past. I am, therefore, a has been, so always seek independent and suitably qualified advice elsewhere before relying upon whatever has been posted here :-)

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I must apologise to SD 1st for hijacking his thread :wink:

 

To cut a very very long story short,my LL is the type of person along with his wife,is allways right and never wrong,also they think tenants have No rights at all and they kick people out where ever they like just because they want to sell up...

 

My LL now knows what my rights are and what his are,but still doesn't get it:-|

 

I moved into my flat approx at the end 1984 and live along with my 2 moggies,this is the only thing me and my LL can agree on is the date i moved in and my LL lives next door in there house with his wife..

 

I know All about my rights from solictor and that i could pass on my tenancy on to family member if i kick the bucket and so on.

 

My LL has never given me 1st refusal to by the flat,but i could not afford to buy it anyway

 

Also my local council Advice for Private Tenants - Birmingham City Council private tenancy dept have had to write to my LL telling them of what my rights are.

 

But as i said early on my LL still doesn't understand why i have the right to stay,another problem is or was the estate agents giving out false information out about my tenancy to people wanting to buy the house,but been sorted out,i could go on and on aand on and on,but would end up writing severa pages on this forum...............

 

MARTIN :D

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